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50 cent blowout holy crap

I see no problem with the initial post from Paul. It's quite obvious to me and should be to most people here that he is retailing these cigars.

Without foreknowledge of who Paul Magier is, I don't see how many people would read the first post on this thread and not interpret it as some guy wanting to share a great deal he had found. No "should be to most people" that I can see there.

I'm all for members here and on the other boards looking out for the other members, but some of you seem to think that we have to "save" everyone else out there purchasing cigars. Screw 'em and let them make their own mistakes.

Not sure who's trying to save anyone here. Demanding that merchants deal with this community in a straightforward and aboveboard manner has much to do with the quality of time spent at CP and nothing to do with being heroic.

There's more than enough out of me on this thread, so I'll leave it at that.
 
To this newb, the first post read as someone who found a good deal, not a retailer. I've never heard of or dealt with Pmagus before (FYI).
 
There's hot deals and there's HOT DEALS
how about this one?

"An introductory BLOW OUT from Cigar Factory Outlet-
Never heard of US? That's OK, you will.
A true factory outlet. Nothing fancy, no frills, just dynamite prices on different things we make.
To get a ROARING start, we're offering this:

Our #7 blend 6.5x50 wheels of 50
FOR ONLY 25$ You read right!!! 50 cents a stick
SunGrown wrapper from Ecuador spicy and rich
Criollo binder
mixed Ecuador and Honduras fillers heavy on the ligero
This is NOT the world's finest cigar just pretty damned good for half a buck.
Wheels only, no samplers, no singles. Shipping is $2.50
Visa/MC
order by e-mail CigarCFO@aol.com
or by phone 888-231-1082
Thanks
The CFO:"

Hard to go too far wrong for $27.50 I've had the cigarand it definately isn't the world's best. But its tasty, medium bodied, burned well. For that price anything that doesn't shit the bed is worth a shot.


OK, maybe it's just me, but this reads to me like it's coming from a vendor. Maybe it's years and years of my reading Lew Rothman's stories that leads me to this. At any rate, it's in the Marketplace forum, under Hot Deals, which it is, in his opinion and nowhere does Paul say that he IS NOT associated in anyway with this deal, which most people put if they are indeed just posting a deal they read about somewhere. What is really happening here is that folks are upset at his marketing ploy used on the Pinar brand and they used this post to once again give him shit.
 
What is really happening here is that folks are upset at his marketing ploy used on the Pinar brand and they used this post to once again give him shit.

For what it's worth, I didn't make the connection between him and Pinar until after I posted in the thread... I did take his post as being deceptive (intentional or not) as to his relationship with the "great deal" he stumbled across. But I suppose it's subjective...

Note how he posted the "deal" in quotes as if he copied it from somewhere else or was quoting someone else?
 
I love Fuente and the masters, however Not all of us can afford these cigars. I believe the offer is a good one. I toof him up on it and my gut tells me that the cigar will be at least worth smoking to judge it first and if I like it I will send the 27.50 and perhaps buy more. I remeber what another vendor went through here after a new vendor tryed to get him in hot water for selling at a discount. Hell if the damn bill goes through congress to fund the childrens health bill on the backs of tobacco users. I may only be able to think about cigars as the good ole days. have a great day and enjoy a good cigar your worth it!
 
Moki- the NYT article is from 2005-
we have long since used up that tobacco, stopped producing that cigar and moved on. At this point my burden of proof is to prove that this wheel of 50 is worth $25. And I am taking on that burden of proof by offering them on a taste first, pay later basis, without strings.

I have acknowledged this community's issue with my "presentation", apologized and layed it all out.
"Muck raking" is good for every community, to keep the bad guys honest. Please rake away at me if you wish, but recognize that it is totally out of context in this case and that my offer stands on its own.

BTW, please see the risk here, which is not that somebody might not pay, I'm not even worried about that. The real risk is, if I produce 20-25-50 whatever number of premium high-priced brands, and I step out HERE with something only "fair to middling" (even at a great value) will that color everyone's opinions of the other things I make? Perhaps, which is why I have been very VERY careful to explain what these cigars are and are not.
If I have learned anything, its that false or unmet expectations are bad for everyone. If I can tell you EXACTLY what I have to offer, and it meets or exceeds your expectations, at a real value, then I have done my job RIGHT, right?
Hasta Luego, I have some wheels to pack and ship
 
No Samplers from a 27.50 wheel yaaaa ok. So i plant these in the Garden and i get great fertalizer.

There were enough we, and us in the article that i took it as his own. Deceptive? Enough for a noob to jump on and waste money it is possible so watch who your blowing smoke at.
 
PMagus, I'm curious to hear your opinion on this?

Linkage

7) "OUR CIGARS USE GENUINE PRE-EMBARGO CUBAN TOBACCO!"

Don't buy it. While experts have varying opinions on several other subjects discussed here, on this one virtually all agree. The Cuban embargo happened in 1962, and no cigars or tobacco have been shipped to this country (at least, not legally) since then. Some U.S.-based cigar manufacturers did have the foresight to stockpile the raw material when they saw the Embargo coming, and did make cigars with actual Cuban leaf while supplies lasted. But those supplies, according to those in the know, are now long gone.

Henry "Kiki" Berger, who spent years in the Cuban tobacco business before heading up his current cigar company, Tabacalera Esteli, in Nicaragua, is in favor of some kind of official authentication system for tobacco's origin to prevent disreputable companies from deceiving consumers. "If there is any Cuban pre-embargo tobacco out there today, then I don't exist," he states unflinchingly. "There's just no such thing. If there was any tobacco here from Cuba, it was gone during the Boom. [To claim otherwise] is just lying to the consumer." As far as cigarmakers claiming the covert use of illicit Cuban leaf in their blends, pre-Embargo and otherwise? "Cuba doesn't sell tobacco outside of Cuba anymore; they only sell cigars."

"That tobacco would be dead," Borhani states incredulously, referring to pre-embargo leaf. "If you don't roll it into a cigar, tobacco will continue fermenting; heat continues developing in the bales. Tobacco stored for 50 years would be old enough to deteriorate in your hands."

Best advice is to be suspicious of any cigar not verifiably made in Cuba prior to the embargo (and these do exist; though they are rare, quite expensive, and spotted occasionally at high-end auctions). Rule of thumb is that good cigars, kept in a properly humidified atmosphere, can age for decades, just like good wine. Raw tobacco leaf, even properly maintained, has a much shorter shelf life.
 
I bit. I need some yard gars and to be honest, the deal is much better than getting a 2'fer on the fighting cocks.

If they suck, they suck. The bar isn't set too high for a fifty cent stick.
 
There's hot deals and there's HOT DEALS
how about this one?

"An introductory BLOW OUT from Cigar Factory Outlet-
Never heard of US? That's OK, you will.
A true factory outlet. Nothing fancy, no frills, just dynamite prices on different things we make.
To get a ROARING start, we're offering this:

Our #7 blend 6.5x50 wheels of 50
FOR ONLY 25$ You read right!!! 50 cents a stick
SunGrown wrapper from Ecuador spicy and rich
Criollo binder
mixed Ecuador and Honduras fillers heavy on the ligero
This is NOT the world's finest cigar just pretty damned good for half a buck.
Wheels only, no samplers, no singles. Shipping is $2.50
Visa/MC
order by e-mail CigarCFO@aol.com
or by phone 888-231-1082
Thanks
The CFO:"

Hard to go too far wrong for $27.50 I've had the cigarand it definately isn't the world's best. But its tasty, medium bodied, burned well. For that price anything that doesn't shit the bed is worth a shot.


OK, maybe it's just me, but this reads to me like it's coming from a vendor. Maybe it's years and years of my reading Lew Rothman's stories that leads me to this. At any rate, it's in the Marketplace forum, under Hot Deals, which it is, in his opinion and nowhere does Paul say that he IS NOT associated in anyway with this deal, which most people put if they are indeed just posting a deal they read about somewhere. What is really happening here is that folks are upset at his marketing ploy used on the Pinar brand and they used this post to once again give him shit.

It is just you...at first I thought it was a member posting something he 'found' on the web.
A few non-vendor members have posted linky's and such in here recently...and a few w/o stating they are not associated with the deal.
 
"Cuba doesn't sell tobacco outside of Cuba anymore; they only sell cigars."

If that's true, how are Penamil's and Goya's made in the Canaries with Cuban Tobacco?

Snipped the quote to make a little more sense.
 
Cuba does export tobacco and they did at the time these quotes were recorded, which was around '98-'99, if I recall right. The Dutch have been importing Cuban leaf for their dry-cured cigars for years. There are a few others who did the same, for similar types of cigars. Villager cigarillos had Cuban leaf in them at one time. Penamil's and also ST Dupont cigars were manufactured with a Cuban blend.
 
Cuba does export tobacco and they did at the time these quotes were recorded, which was around '98-'99, if I recall right. The Dutch have been importing Cuban leaf for their dry-cured cigars for years. There are a few others who did the same, for similar types of cigars. Villager cigarillos had Cuban leaf in them at one time. Penamil's and also ST Dupont cigars were manufactured with a Cuban blend.

Yep, Hajenius still makes a house cigar that uses (in part) Cuban tobacco
 
No Samplers from a 27.50 wheel yaaaa ok. So i plant these in the Garden and i get great fertalizer.

There were enough we, and us in the article that i took it as his own. Deceptive? Enough for a noob to jump on and waste money it is possible so watch who your blowing smoke at.

Is this a sudoku puzzle?
 
As of today- all of the ordered wheels have been shipped, LMK what you think, and have a great thanksgiving
 
Thanks a lot Paul and the same to you and the family. If your free Saturday evening, stop on by Schlesinger's and enjoy a cigar or two. We have roughly 50 guests attending the Thanksgiving Herf that starts at 4pm....... :) :thumbs: :cool:
 
Paul, I asked you a question in a PM, I'd be very happy if you would take the time to answer me.

Shawn

*edit* I was just informed you answer PM's by using email, I might have erased it by accident, please send again. Thanks!
 
As of today- all of the ordered wheels have been shipped, LMK what you think, and have a great thanksgiving
:thumbs: Thanks for the update Paul. I hope you had a great thanksgiving.
 
The cigars arrived in fine shape. The smell when I opened the package up was nice. I gave three away to couple of fellows here. One smokes a cigar once in a blue moon and the other is a cig and gas station cigar smoker. Since I don't get to smoke much and the friends I've made here and other places made me into a snob when it comes to cigars. I'm already tainted on judging. If the the guys like them I'll be sending in my MO for the wheel.

Since the guys are just as happy to smoke a philly blunt as any high end cigar this might fit the bill. Something they like and I don't care how many they smoke. Even when they tell me I only smoke an inch before I had to toss it to go out or I smoke a little and saving the rest for another day.

I'll let you know how it turns out.

DG
 
My wheel arrived today, not a bad looking cigar...I'll smoke one this weekend and give a short review.
 
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