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PARTIGAS serie D 2005 reserva

fetterjohn said:
i took 6 partagas out of there boxes and all five with the red band measure about 18mm they are the serie d reserva, serie d #4,part p #2,part p #2 edition limtad( a new cigar to be released later this year) and serie d #1 le, the sixth cigar is the lusitania which has its on special band. i believe they changed the lable a year or so ago and you may have a older cigar you are comparing it to. or maybe yours is the fake. reportadlly 95% of all cuban cigars sold u s are fakes. i am not trying to be insulting just trying to get the facts stright. i am sure there are other members who have some recent partagas in there humidor that could quickly varify the band size???
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Vitasea. Sorry dude...mine are not fake, I know that for sure. I don't know if the bands have changed or not but my cigars aren't that old. Just came over from the island about 7 months ago. And it's not the length but the width of the band that gives it away. Also not the same type font and not the same color (Gold). I will smoke it tonight, though. And I will apologize if I am wrong. But what I'm saying right now is that the band is fake. I give my honost opinion of the cigar later tonight.

-Fetter

I would post pictures but I'm too dumb to figure out how to post them. :blush:
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sorry fetter but i think your wrong.....hey man no problem......95% of the cuban cigars sold in the u s are fakes......and many are pettty good
so if you enjoy it smoke it .........but don't pay to much
 
The ISOM's I get are from my local tobacconist. He's been in business a long time and his long time employee has family in Cuba who brings them over with them when they come for visits. (Don't ask me how) I'm pretty sure they are not fake. But they could be. But I don't think so. Also, all of them are from different batches, they didn't come from the same box and they have always looked the same (Same band, length and ring gauge). So all I can say is that instead of trying to tell me mine are fakes, now, is to see if your's are not. Like I said, if it's real, I'll apologize.

-Fetter
 
Vitasea... I got mine today. Thanks! Will let it rest a week or so and then give it a review. Nice job (fake, or not... I don't care at this price!)

Jim
 
received mine today. will do a comprehensive review this weekend, thanks vitasea. from the pics i saw online, this appears to be real deal. nice package btw...i like the 2 finger.
 
fetterjohn said:
The ISOM's I get are from my local tobacconist. He's been in business a long time and his long time employee has family in Cuba who brings them over with them when they come for visits. (Don't ask me how) I'm pretty sure they are not fake. But they could be. But I don't think so. Also, all of them are from different batches, they didn't come from the same box and they have always looked the same (Same band, length and ring gauge). So all I can say is that instead of trying to tell me mine are fakes, now, is to see if your's are not. Like I said, if it's real, I'll apologize.

-Fetter
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Fetter,

I will not divulge where I get mine, but I can assure you they do not come from "my local tobacconist" whose "employee has family in Cuba who brings them over with them when they come for visits". I am not going to tell you yours are fake. I am going to tell you that they are too long (127 mm) as you posted earlier. PSD4s are 122-124 mm. Period. Bottom line, that is not a source one can be absolutely certain of.

Vitasea,

Thank you for the cigar and good packaging. As I said, upon initial comparison to a real PSD4, this looks to be genuine. I will take a few pictures and smoke it in the next couple of days.

For the record: I do not suggest anyone buy cigars from anyone who gets them from a "friend" or "relative" in Cuba. The only way you can be sure Habanos are genuine is to buy them from an authorized Habanos S.A. dealer. Despite the fact that I believe, upon initial inspection, that the cigar Vitasea sent me is real I would still not purchase cigars from him or anyone else who travels to Cuba. No offense Vitasea. :thumbs:
 
Pictures:

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These are a comparision of the PSD4 Reserva Viatsea sent and a PSD4 from 12/04
 
Jingles, thanks for the info on these. It's been very informative. The pics and explanations of lengths, bands, etc. are great. :thumbs:
 
very nice pics,yes you see the reserva is exactly the same body construion of the serie d #4. they choose three rollers at the partagas factory to make these out of special aged leaves from 2000 stock,thus the 2000 date on the black label.

getting good cigars in cuba is very difficult, everyone has a relitive who works in a factory,every one i kid you not. walking down the streets of havana you are constinlly approch by some one selling cigars. it is so irratating, i usually start the converstion with " hey do you want to buy some cigars" they have a startled look on there face thinking hay thats my line and walk away works good..

government cigar stores every hotel and many shops, not always good sticks. they are poorly stored and remember cuba has a least 50 factories all over the country and i kid you not the best are made in havana. the stores have the same problem that the habanos dealers have in that the cigars they are selling could have been made any where.havana used to have 6 factories but they closed one down and it is now the main storage and shipping facility,their they can collect all the boxes from around the county and mix them up and ship them to the distributors. we are in havana and want only the best and that can only be achieved by having a relyable contact in one or all of the factories then you are assurred of the best quality
 
First of all, Gonz you were wrong for posting sources...Period ;)

Fetter,
I would NEVER purchase cigars from my local B&M. No telling how many times I've heard the "I have a relative in Cuba" story. I would only purchase from sites that are reccomended to you. Just stick around and the sources will come to you in due time. I know that some people are scared about seizures with Customs. Well, I've been ordering for a year and just got my first seizure. But I'm not worried because I picked a good vendor that's taking care of me.

Jim,
Just a little correction on the wrapper shades you were harping to Fetter about. Everyone needs to remember that with a natural product, such as cigars, that there will be variations in wrapper color. It's not an if, it's a guarantee. I think there are 70 different wrapper colors sorted when cuban cigars are boxed.

Vitsea,
I'm still waiting on mine and will compare it to the ones I already have. Hopefully it'll come in today.

Also, those that think this will taste like an aged PSD#4 are wrong. The tobacco might be 5 year old tobacco that they use in PSD#4 cigars, but they haven't gotten a chance to meld together. Just remember this if you think they're "off" for some reason.

All IMHO folks :)
 
cvmfour said:
First of all, Gonz you were wrong for posting sources...Period ;)

Fetter,
I would NEVER purchase cigars from my local B&M. No telling how many times I've heard the "I have a relative in Cuba" story. I would only purchase from sites that are reccomended to you. Just stick around and the sources will come to you in due time. I know that some people are scared about seizures with Customs. Well, I've been ordering for a year and just got my first seizure. But I'm not worried because I picked a good vendor that's taking care of me.

Jim,
Just a little correction on the wrapper shades you were harping to Fetter about. Everyone needs to remember that with a natural product, such as cigars, that there will be variations in wrapper color. It's not an if, it's a guarantee. I think there are 70 different wrapper colors sorted when cuban cigars are boxed.

Vitsea,
I'm still waiting on mine and will compare it to the ones I already have. Hopefully it'll come in today.

Also, those that think this will taste like an aged PSD#4 are wrong. The tobacco might be 5 year old tobacco that they use in PSD#4 cigars, but they haven't gotten a chance to meld together. Just remember this if you think they're "off" for some reason.

All IMHO folks :)
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All good points Cliff. However, it's not the color so much as the LENGTH that is troubling. I have never heard of a PSD4 that is over 124 mm.

You are right on about the taste. The cigar SMELLS fresh and a little wet. To me, it smells like a fresh PSD4 should smell. As such, this should taste like a freshly rolled PSD4. I was going to smoke it tonight, but considering the wetness, I am going to let it sit @ 64% for a few days.
 
I agree about the length...I forgot what the tolerance for the length was though.
 
I've compared mine to both a PSD1 and PSD4 and the bands on all 3 would be indistinguishable if they were taken off. Color, print, print orientation and size are all spot on. As for the PSD4s both are the same length. The PSD4's I have were acquired from a very reputable source outside of the US.
 
I just went to the cigar shop and smoked with my bros. I took my cigar and showed it to a guy that has been smoking Cubans for a very long time. I told him what the cigar was supposed to be and nothing more. I asked what he thought.

He looked at the cigar for some time. He noted the band appeared to accurate. He said he had never seen a Partagas Serie 4 that looked like that one. He said he leaned toward thinking it was fake. This guy is well known at CF and I respect his opinion.

I'll let it sit for a week and put a flame to it and post results.
 
cigarsarge said:
I just went to the cigar shop and smoked with my bros. I took my cigar and showed it to a guy that has been smoking Cubans for a very long time. I told him what the cigar was supposed to be and nothing more. I asked what he thought.

He looked at the cigar for some time. He noted the band appeared to accurate. He said he had never seen a Partagas Serie 4 that looked like that one. He said he leaned toward thinking it was fake. This guy is well known at CF and I respect his opinion.

I'll let it sit for a week and put a flame to it and post results.
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how could anyone with any knowlege of the paragas line say that,the series d #4 is a classic in fact it was the top rated robustos of 2004

if you want to get tech here it is
length 4 15/16 in or 124 mm
diameter 13/16 in 19.84 mm
weight 11.18 g
ring size 50

you guys crack me up, give something for free and everyone begins to scurrey around to prove it a fake. any one formiler with rhino on cigar weekly he and i set in my smoking room and enjoyed this very cigar
later
 
Hey Vitasea...I'm not scurrying around to prove it is a fake. I just gave one man's opinion...A man who I know to have knowledge of Cuban cigars. I was leaning the opposite way until I spoke to him. Now I am not sure.

I'm gonna somke it later this week and give it a fair review. You've got nothing to loose one way or another.

Take a chill pill dude. The fact you're so intense on proving yourself makes me wonder.

One question...How were the cigars boxed up? How about some photos of the packaging and seals?
 
Sorry for the delay guys...I'm going to fire mine up in anout 30 minutes. SO we'll see. But, Mrjinglesusa, there are also websites that sell "PSD#4" that don't give MM's but inches...they say they are 5 7/8 inches. Which mine is closer to than 124 mm. The PSD#4 reserve is shorter than that. So I believe you but then I look at those websites. I'll let you know in about 2 hours.

But again, Vitasea, thanks for the oportunity to try this. I do believe that you mean well. I'm not trying to bash you. But have you heard the saying, "those who are defensive are always guilty"?

-Fetter
 
fetterjohn said:
Sorry for the delay guys...I'm going to fire mine up in anout 30 minutes. SO we'll see. But, Mrjinglesusa, there are also websites that sell "PSD#4" that don't give MM's but inches...they say they are 5 7/8 inches. Which mine is closer to than 124 mm. The PSD#4 reserve is shorter than that. So I believe you but then I look at those websites. I'll let you know in about 2 hours.

But again, Vitasea, thanks for the oportunity to try this. I do believe that you mean well. I'm not trying to bash you. But have you heard the saying, "those who are defensive are always guilty"?

-Fetter
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OK, I'm looking at MRN right now as I type this. The PSD 4 should measure 124mm or 4 7/8 inches long. Ring gauge is 50. I trust MRN over the various websites except for maybe Habanos SA official website which lists it at 124mm.

I took a look at the PSD 4 Reserva that was gifted to mrjinglesusa last night. BTW vitasea, that was a great gesture. I didn't ask for a cigar and didn't receive a cigar, so I have nothing at stake here. Comparing it to PSD 4s that I know to be real, the dimensions were practically identical. The cigar was a bit wet, but had that fresh partagas nose. It smelled like a freshie PSD. The wrapper was a bit of a different hue and was oiler than most PSDs I've seen, but then this is supposed to be the best of the best aged tobacco going into this cigar. IMHO, I would say that the cigar that mrjinglesusa received was authentic.

Of course, CVMfour will have a better comparison point if he has a box of Reservas to compare to.
 
I will now speak my apologies to Vitasea and to those whom I've entertained for these last few days. I lit this cigar about 20 minutes ago and from my experience...I think it's Cuban tobacco. It's a damn fine tasting smoke. I'm only about 1 inch into it and it is good! Thank you Vitasea for giving this cigar to all of us...and to all the FOG's on this board for bringing the knowledge that I needed to make sure this was real. Smoking it is the key!

-Fetter
 
fetterjohn said:
I will now speak my apologies to Vitasea and to those whom I've entertained for these last few days. I lit this cigar about 20 minutes ago and from my experience...I think it's Cuban tobacco. It's a damn fine tasting smoke. I'm only about 1 inch into it and it is good! Thank you Vitasea for giving this cigar to all of us...and to all the FOG's on this board for bringing the knowledge that I needed to make sure this was real. Smoking it is the key!

-Fetter
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thanks. i'm not trying to be defeneive on this thread which was started july 12 and in 6 days has had some 1500 views and 100 some repies. i have only wanted to keep the facts stright and i think this has been a very informitive discussion thread.i'm going to do simular offers in the future because i think i have some cigars that a lot of people have not had the opportunity to try and to educate them selves on top quaility cuban cigars. there are to many people getting ripped off by expensive fakes, which also give the cigars a bad name. enjoy...;)
 
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