PARTIGAS serie D 2005 reserva

[cvmfour]

70% is too high IMO...I normally keep my smokes around 63-65%. I let them rest to get the cigar to the humidity I'm used to smoking them.

 

[Gonz]

Ironically, your nested quotes kept the hotlink to the source. You might want to fix that.

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And there's another link in the sentence after the first two that you removed. Seems like there's no end to this.

 

[mrjinglesusa]

Here's a couple pics I found at online retailers:

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Now after more looking I found another pic, but the close up on the band has the year "2000" on it, [REMOVED BY MRJINGLES], so maybe I'm looking at the wrong cigars online.

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It's supposed to have the year 2000 on it.

EDIT: By the way, hot-linking to pictures directly on retailer sites is not the best idea.

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Ironically, your nested quotes kept the hotlink to the source. You might want to fix that.

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:sign: Everyone's a critic. Fixed there AND here. And before anyone say "But you were criticizing HIM!" - I wasn't. I was pointing out the fact that since discussion of sources on the board is taboo, linking to pictures on their sites is not good either. I apologize for my oversight.

70% is too high IMO...I normally keep my smokes around 63-65%. I let them rest to get the cigar to the humidity I'm used to smoking them.

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I agree. I try to keep them at ~63-65%. The cigar Vitasea sent is definitely too wet to smoke now.

This is a lively discussion and one that will probably not be resolved. I think they look real, others disagree. If I smoke it and it tastes real, does that mean it is? There is no way to know for sure and since these did not even come from a box of Reservas (but from a roller who wrapped them in newspaper and passed them out the back door) I'm going to say they are not legitimate PSD4 Reservas no matter how good they look or taste.

 

[preembargo]

This is a lively discussion and one that will probably not be resolved. I think they look real, others disagree. If I smoke it and it tastes real, does that mean it is? There is no way to know for sure and since these did not even come from a box of Reservas (but from a roller who wrapped them in newspaper and passed them out the back door) I'm going to say they are not legitimate PSD4 Reservas no matter how good they look or taste.

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Clearly vitasea considers these sticks to be genuine and unless I'm mistaken, his argument is that if he's standing in the factory watching them being rolled then they must be genuine; however here are three of many points that can be made:

1) Quality control is being bypassed so regardless of quality, at best maybe you can call them factory seconds but that's a stretch;

2) Is the roller an experienced torcedor or an apprentice or somewhere in between? Is this the roller who has been assigned to roll these particular cigars or some guy who has access to the blend and some bands?

3) Without box codes there's just no way to even begin to verify the authenticity of the sticks. The reality is that no matter how good these are or not, these are coming from a guy handing concealed sticks out the back door of the factory.

For those who like a good stick regardless of the band or country of origin this may not be much of an issue but for others, cigar smoking is more than just putting the flame to the end of a cheroot and puffing. It's an endeavor to appreciate all possible aspects a timeless passion.

Vitasea, you said that along with these factory sources, you have close contacts with verifiable and legitimate sources. My thoughts are that you should stick with that.


Having said this I want to say that even though I did not have the opportunity to try one the PSD4 Reserva samples, I have smoked 3 of 5 sticks vitasea has gifted me. The first was an Esplendido which was disappointing and needs no further comment. The most recent gifting was a few sticks from my wish list: a Siglo I, II, AND VI as well as a Cuaba Salomone. I have to say that the Siglo I and II would have passed any scrutiny and were great smokes and the remaining sticks seem to hold up just as well.


I believe that Vitasea has a heart of gold and is exactly who he says he is, a guy in his mid sixties who has the time and resources to do something significant in the world and in the process is trying to take advantage of a unique situation. I believe his humanitarian work is genuine and goes beyond his trips to deliver medical supplies to the infirm of Cuba. I'm quite certain he has been involved in other humanitarian efforts. (Please, correct me if I'm wrong Doug, but were you part of Retromanagent Group and didn't they in someway help to provide homes for the disadvantaged in Omaha's inner city?)


Doug, as long your sources are legit and verifiable you should do alright.

 

[NorCalCigarLover]

And before anyone say "But you were criticizing HIM!" - I wasn't. 

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I already told you, I was just looking out for you.

I agree.  I try to keep them at ~63-65%.  The cigar Vitasea sent is definitely too wet to smoke now.

Dang, at what temperature are you keeping your smokes at this R.H.?? that's a little too dry for my taste.

edit: and El General, great post :thumbs:

 

[mrjinglesusa]

And before anyone say "But you were criticizing HIM!" - I wasn't. 

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I already told you, I was just looking out for you.

I agree.  I try to keep them at ~63-65%.  The cigar Vitasea sent is definitely too wet to smoke now.

Dang, at what temperature are you keeping your smokes at this R.H.?? that's a little too dry for my taste.

edit: and El General, great post :thumbs:

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About 72 degrees. 65% beads are THE bomb. :thumbs:

 

[Matt R]

Well, that was 20 minutes of my life I'll never get back.....

We learned a lot of stuff in this thread though, or at least I did.

#1: fetterjohn is buying fakes from his local shop
#2: A lot of you have VERY little experience with Havanas
#3: vitasea, while generous, doesn't really want an honest review
#4: bfreebrn is a homo
#5: preembargo is a very bright fellow
#6: I am the king of the world

 

[vitasea]

Well, that was 20 minutes of my life I'll never get back.....

We learned a lot of stuff in this thread though, or at least I did.

#1: fetterjohn is buying fakes from his local shop
#2: A lot of you have VERY little experience with Havanas
#3: vitasea, while generous, doesn't really want an honest review
#4: bfreebrn is a homo
#5: preembargo is a very bright fellow
#6: I am the king of the world

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welcome,your always a breath of fresh air.i totally disagree with #3 i have only tried to keep the facts stright.cigars like wine,beer,food and woman is a matter of taste,and everyones is diferant.

have you talked to rhino??? we spent last saturday smoking this cigar, and since partagas is his favorite brand he was very happy with it

 

[bfreebern]

#3: vitasea, while generous, doesn't really want an honest review

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Bah :laugh: At least I'm not the one blatantly trying to get Ric to walk around naked while holding each others "member".

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[Matt R]

welcome,your always a breath of fresh air.i totally disagree with #3 i have only tried to keep the facts stright.cigars like wine,beer,food and woman is a matter of taste,and everyones is diferant.

have you talked to rhino??? we spent last saturday smoking this cigar, and since partagas is his favorite brand he was very happy with it

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Not recently, but after re-reading some of your responses, Doug, I see where you are coming from. I hope you can make it out to our herf in October.

 

[stevehawk]

Well, that was 20 minutes of my life I'll never get back.....

We learned a lot of stuff in this thread though, or at least I did.

#1: fetterjohn is buying fakes from his local shop
#2: A lot of you have VERY little experience with Havanas
#3: vitasea, while generous, doesn't really want an honest review
#4: bfreebrn is a homo
#5: preembargo is a very bright fellow
#6: I am the king of the world

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Had to respond...

#1: Agree
#2: Put me in this category, sad to say. Send samples so I can gain experience.
#3: He wants an honest review, he just wants them all to be good (won't happen)
#4: Not that there's anything wrong with that. :laugh:
#5: His wife really wrote that post. She's the bright one. :whistling:
#6: Leebo is king. You are the queen. (again, not that there'a anything wrong with that.)

:sign:

 

[vitasea]

welcome,your always a breath of fresh air.i totally disagree with #3 i have only tried to keep the facts stright.cigars like wine,beer,food and woman is a matter of taste,and everyones is diferant.

have you talked to rhino??? we spent last saturday smoking this cigar, and since partagas is his favorite brand he was very happy with it

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Not recently, but after re-reading some of your responses, Doug, I see where you are coming from. I hope you can make it out to our herf in October.

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what part of oct???

two big problems one i,m invited out to sanoma to help my friend pick grapes and crush them into wine

secound and most important i've got to deliver an intire operating room to cuba
its for a simi screte aids hospital on the out skirts of havana. i've been solicting donations and hit the kack pot with one of large med complexes here. they have in storage nearly everything i need, operating table. monitoring equip,x-ray machines lights you name it. it will be the most state of the art surgery center in havana. there are 5 or 6 people dieing every month for lack of an OR,it takes 6 month to schedual a operating proceedure in only one other hospital that will alow them to operate on an aids infected person.

 

[Cheeze]

welcome,your always a breath of fresh air.i totally disagree with #3 i have only tried to keep the facts stright.cigars like wine,beer,food and woman is a matter of taste,and everyones is diferant.

have you talked to rhino??? we spent last saturday smoking this cigar, and since partagas is his favorite brand he was very happy with it

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Not recently, but after re-reading some of your responses, Doug, I see where you are coming from. I hope you can make it out to our herf in October.

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what part of oct???

two big problems one i,m invited out to sanoma to help my friend pick grapes and crush them into wine

secound and most important i've got to deliver an intire operating room to cuba
its for a simi screte aids hospital on the out skirts of havana. i've been solicting donations and hit the kack pot with one of large med complexes here. they have in storage nearly everything i need, operating table. monitoring equip,x-ray machines lights you name it. it will be the most state of the art surgery center in havana. there are 5 or 6 people dieing every month for lack of an OR,it takes 6 month to schedual a operating proceedure in only one other hospital that will alow them to operate on an aids infected person.

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Are you puting all of this on your boat?

 

[Cheeze]

these did not exactly come in a box they were left overs from the 5000 box run who you have seen pictures of. actually they came in a bundle of 25 wrapped up neatly in a news paper, the rollers and factory workers can smoke all the cigars they want while at work and i understand can take 3 or 4 sticks home. reportedly some smoke 10 - 12 a day. man what would that do to ones cigar budget????

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So do you get them from the workers that are able to take them home? If so is this how this happened?

it seems to me that i did have some cohiba esplendidos and rebustos that were hand rolled cuban tabacco but not real cohiba product. i know i created quite a stir and many links on this subjuct. i am an honest person and i don't want members to think i was trying to screw or cheat any one...........

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If so how do we know that it won't happen again? How do we know they are the real deal without the box, codes...
Just wondering...

 

[Matt R]

Jason is coming, check with him. Or check out www.landoflincolnherf.com

welcome,your always a breath of fresh air.i totally disagree with #3 i have only tried to keep the facts stright.cigars like wine,beer,food and woman is a matter of taste,and everyones is diferant.

have you talked to rhino??? we spent last saturday smoking this cigar, and since partagas is his favorite brand he was very happy with it

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Not recently, but after re-reading some of your responses, Doug, I see where you are coming from. I hope you can make it out to our herf in October.

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what part of oct???

two big problems one i,m invited out to sanoma to help my friend pick grapes and crush them into wine

secound and most important i've got to deliver an intire operating room to cuba
its for a simi screte aids hospital on the out skirts of havana. i've been solicting donations and hit the kack pot with one of large med complexes here. they have in storage nearly everything i need, operating table. monitoring equip,x-ray machines lights you name it. it will be the most state of the art surgery center in havana. there are 5 or 6 people dieing every month for lack of an OR,it takes 6 month to schedual a operating proceedure in only one other hospital that will alow them to operate on an aids infected person.

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[vitasea]

these did not exactly come in a box they were left overs from the 5000 box run who you have seen pictures of. actually they came in a bundle of 25 wrapped up neatly in a news paper, the rollers and factory workers can smoke all the cigars they want while at work and i understand can take 3 or 4 sticks home. reportedly some smoke 10 - 12 a day. man what would that do to ones cigar budget????

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So do you get them from the workers that are able to take them home? If so is this how this happened?

it seems to me that i did have some cohiba esplendidos and rebustos that were hand rolled cuban tabacco but not real cohiba product. i know i created quite a stir and many links on this subjuct. i am an honest person and i don't want members to think i was trying to screw or cheat any one...........

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If so how do we know that it won't happen again? How do we know they are the real deal without the box, codes...
Just wondering...

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box codes are practically worthless any more. they are changong them almost monthly because habanos does not want any one to know what factory there made in
as everyone knows that the best cigars are made in havana. here are two i know for sure EAR feb05 R & J
SVF feb05 partagas

the next month they were changed
the esplendidos i had last fall had a factoy code on them????

 

[Lumberg]

I got mine today and it turns out the post office was just holding it with some other boxes.

The triple cap looks a little sloppy and the PSD band and RR band have something rough on them. I find that odd for such a high-end cigar.

Never-the-less, the proof is in the smoking it...I'll report back in about a week or two so it can stabilize :thumbs:

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glad you got it was sure i sent you one. i don't understand this letting it rest for a week or two??? i keep my walk in humidor at 70_70 and it usually only takes a couple days to ship one,not in your case, but i can't imagin there could be much of a change. am i miss informed about this storage and resting thing???

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It's more of a precaution. Lots of online and even B&M retailers keep their storage at humidities of 70+%. Most people like their cigars best when stored in the mid-60s.

I don't know if anyone know for sure how long it takes all of the tobacco in a cigar to take on the properties of being stored in 65% humidity after being stored at 70%, but most people agree two weeks is the point where you just take it out and smoke it and see what happens.

 

[Cheeze]

these did not exactly come in a box they were left overs from the 5000 box run who you have seen pictures of. actually they came in a bundle of 25 wrapped up neatly in a news paper, the rollers and factory workers can smoke all the cigars they want while at work and i understand can take 3 or 4 sticks home. reportedly some smoke 10 - 12 a day. man what would that do to ones cigar budget????

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So do you get them from the workers that are able to take them home? If so is this how this happened?

it seems to me that i did have some cohiba esplendidos and rebustos that were hand rolled cuban tabacco but not real cohiba product. i know i created quite a stir and many links on this subjuct. i am an honest person and i don't want members to think i was trying to screw or cheat any one...........

[snapback]179219[/snapback]​

If so how do we know that it won't happen again? How do we know they are the real deal without the box, codes...
Just wondering...

[snapback]203277[/snapback]​

box codes are practically worthless any more. they are changong them almost monthly because habanos does not want any one to know what factory there made in
as everyone knows that the best cigars are made in havana. here are two i know for sure EAR feb05 R & J
SVF feb05 partagas

the next month they were changed
the esplendidos i had last fall had a factoy code on them????

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Do you get your cigars from the workers that are able to take them home everyday after work?
What are you doing to protect yourself from what happened last time?

 

[vitasea]

these did not exactly come in a box they were left overs from the 5000 box run who you have seen pictures of. actually they came in a bundle of 25 wrapped up neatly in a news paper, the rollers and factory workers can smoke all the cigars they want while at work and i understand can take 3 or 4 sticks home. reportedly some smoke 10 - 12 a day. man what would that do to ones cigar budget????

[snapback]202345[/snapback]​

So do you get them from the workers that are able to take them home? If so is this how this happened?

it seems to me that i did have some cohiba esplendidos and rebustos that were hand rolled cuban tabacco but not real cohiba product. i know i created quite a stir and many links on this subjuct. i am an honest person and i don't want members to think i was trying to screw or cheat any one...........

[snapback]179219[/snapback]​

If so how do we know that it won't happen again? How do we know they are the real deal without the box, codes...
Just wondering...

[snapback]203277[/snapback]​

box codes are practically worthless any more. they are changong them almost monthly because habanos does not want any one to know what factory there made in
as everyone knows that the best cigars are made in havana. here are two i know for sure EAR feb05 R & J
SVF feb05 partagas

the next month they were changed
the esplendidos i had last fall had a factoy code on them????

[snapback]203347[/snapback]​

Do you get your cigars from the workers that are able to take them home everyday after work?
What are you doing to protect yourself from what happened last time?

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look let it go if you knew every thing i'd probally have to kill you......

 

[Cheeze]

Thanks for the info...