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PARTIGAS serie D 2005 reserva

cigarsarge said:
I just went to the cigar shop and smoked with my bros. I took my cigar and showed it to a guy that has been smoking Cubans for a very long time. I told him what the cigar was supposed to be and nothing more. I asked what he thought.

He looked at the cigar for some time. He noted the band appeared to accurate. He said he had never seen a Partagas Serie 4 that looked like that one. He said he leaned toward thinking it was fake. This guy is well known at CF and I respect his opinion.

I'll let it sit for a week and put a flame to it and post results.
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This I do not understand. If nothing else, this cigar LOOKS like a PSD4. What specifically did he think made it look unlike a real PSD4?

vitasea said:
how could anyone with any knowlege of the paragas line say that,the series d #4 is a classic in fact it was the top rated robustos of 2004

if you want to get tech here it is
length 4 15/16 in or 124 mm
diameter 13/16 in 19.84 mm
weight 11.18 g
ring size 50

you guys crack me up, give something for free and everyone begins to scurrey around to prove it a fake. any one formiler with rhino on cigar weekly he and i set in my smoking room and enjoyed this very cigar
later
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Vitasea, you ASKED people to give honest opinions. Considering the results of the last "cuban" cigars cigars you sent, I believe a healthy dose of skepticism is fully warranted.


cigarsarge said:
Take a chill pill dude. The fact you're so intense on proving yourself makes me wonder.

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Very true. It makes me wonder as well.

fetterjohn said:
Sorry for the delay guys...I'm going to fire mine up in anout 30 minutes. SO we'll see. But, Mrjinglesusa, there are also websites that sell "PSD#4" that don't give MM's but inches...they say they are 5 7/8 inches. Which mine is closer to than 124 mm. The PSD#4 reserve is shorter than that. So I believe you but then I look at those websites. I'll let you know in about 2 hours.

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As I have said and as Cigardawg pointed out (referencing MRN), PSD4s are NO LONGER than 124 mm. Period. The websites you are looking at are wrong.
 
The guy I showed it to said in his opinion the wrapper was too dark and construction was not on par. He also made mention the arouma of the filler seemed to be off. I do respect this guys opinion, he knows far more than me about cigars period.

As I said in a previous post I was leaning toward them being real.
I still would like to see the box they came out of.

Looking forward to smoking mine.
 
cigarsarge said:
The guy I showed it to said in his opinion the wrapper was too dark and construction was not on par. He also made mention the arouma of the filler seemed to be off. I do respect this guys opinion, he knows far more than me about cigars period.

As I said in a previous post I was leaning toward them being real.
I still would like to see the box they came out of.

Looking forward to smoking mine.
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Hmmm, that is strange. I had the opposite opinion. I thought the wrapper was spot on (see picture), construction looked good, and the aroma (as cigardawg said) smelled of a "fresh" PSD4. This makes sense to me. It is the tobacco itself that is aged, not the rolled cigar, so one would expect it to smell fresh as these were apparently rolled in the last 6-8 months. Hard to make heads nor tails of this as I respect Scot's opinion and my observations mirrored his. Regarding getting a box code or seeing the box they came out of I don't think that is possible considering Vitasea's first post...

vitasea said:
I got these from one of the three rollers at the partagas factory who made them. They had some extras left over after filling the 5000 limited and numbered boxes. A beautiful black box with a felt cover and black cardboard outer box. please post your reviews on this thread so we can all keep track.

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Seems he didn't get these from a box but I could have misinterpreted that.
 
Guess he didn't get em from a box. Is it normal for rollers to be able to give cigars away? ;)
 
these did not exactly come in a box they were left overs from the 5000 box run who you have seen pictures of. actually they came in a bundle of 25 wrapped up neatly in a news paper, the rollers and factory workers can smoke all the cigars they want while at work and i understand can take 3 or 4 sticks home. reportedly some smoke 10 - 12 a day. man what would that do to ones cigar budget????
 
OK, I finished this bad-boy, and here is my newbie review. Keep in mind I have nearly zero experience with these types of cigars.

Looks/Construction:
light brown, very slightly oily. Excellently put together. Very few veins, barely noticeable wrapper lines. Cap seems solid. Foot and Head seem springier that the middle, but not squishy.

Pre-light:
Smell is very clean - none of the usual varying smells, and not aromatically complex like an OpusX. Pre-draw is solid, a little more tight than I'm used to. No discernible odor or taste other than a plain clean tobacco essence.

Light:
The cap survived the pocket Mohel with flying colors. The foot was cauterized and lit better than most cigars I've had so far. First few drags had none of the usual carbon or bitter taste (that usually goes away after a few minutes anyway) - it was actually rather smooth and creamy right from the start.

Burn: Had to do a slight correction which was due more to my impatience than to the cigar's construction than anything else (94% humidity aside). Other than that, it burned quite perfectly and self corrected itself when needed (which was hardly at all). Ash held on for just about an inch each time before getting knocked off from normal smoking activities like plopping it down between draws (I wasn't trying to get the ash to Shark lengths by any means).

Smoke:
Despite a rather tight draw, there was satisfactory amounts of smoke to sample with each pull. Not as much as I would like (I love the amount of smoke you get from a Chateau Fuente for example), but, unlike with other low-volume cigars, you could actually taste this one fairly well with what you were given.

Strength:
Fairly mild at first - actually this was the perfect strength for my personal tastes. The fairly mild strength definitely lends to the overall smoothness of the stick.

Flavor:
The flavor, unfortunately was also just as tame as the strength to me. I prefer a more potent flavor, but also enjoy a subtle bite if there is a range of subtle flavors.

1/4 mark:
Picked up some steam at the 1/4 mark both in strength and flavor. Could definitely sense some dancing in the mouth, and a slight buzz that was only barely there.

1/2 mark:
Creamy and slight chocolaty taste, like drinking a light mocha. It's the first time I ever actually had that chocolate taste spring out at me, although usually I'm just enjoying the overall sensation of smoking rather than trying to pinpoint random flavors or identify different perceptions of taste. Exhaling had an almost chalky sensation, but in an enjoyable way (IOW not something like morning cotton-mouth).

3/4 mark:
Still picking up strength in small amounts, and although the flavor seems to have stabilized somewhat I can definitely notice more subtle changes easier than usual. Mellow, yet noticeable.

The home stretch:
Flavor was definitely more noticeable over strength. Smoked more frequently in the last 1-2" than I did the rest, which probably accounted for the more obvious flavor changes. The last inch started to get bitter, but smoothed out when I slowed down. I actually burned 2 fingers trying to finish this one (medical bill will be mailed out to vitasea tomorrow :p)

Total smoking time:
Started at ~ 6:30PM - finished at ~ 8:00PM


Overall:
A very nice and calming stick. Perfect for a tame, ugly, overcast, and humid Sunday afternoon with not to much going on. Burn was as close to perfect as the smoking conditions would allow (usually in this humidity I have to deal with wrapper expansion and splitting). I'd say it;s the real thing and I would try another, although I don't know if I'd spend the kind of money it goes for to get one.

Thank you very much for the stick and the case vitasea, a very good experience for this newbie.
 
Sorry for the late post, been away for the weekend filling the freezer with salmon.

Vitesa, thank you for the cigar- it arrrived safe and sound. I was happy to find the Cohiba case holding the cigar... old leather with cedar lining inside. Much Appreciated! The cigar looks very nice, and after it settles in my coolidor for a week or two I'll fire that sucker up and see what shakes.

I have to be honest, I have very little expirence or knowledge with ISOM cigars, so it will only really be a review of my tastes and opinions regarding it and it alone... not a real/fake review or anything like it. Now.. if someone has a known true Serie D to send for comparison... :laugh:
 
Sorry I haven't responded Vitasea. Been away on business for the last week and will be home on Friday. I did get an email from my buddy today and he told me that a little present showed up for me. I asked him to pop it into the coolidor and I'll open in when I get back. I'll probably let it sit for a couple of weeks till I have some free time to really enjoy the smoke, but regardless of what it tastes like, thanks for the cigar. I'll post my review after smoking it. Personally, I really don't care if the cigar is a fake or not since it is free. If it wasn't for vitasea, it's one less stick that I get to smoke. Whether I like it or not, I'll thank him for taking the time and spending the resources to send it to me.
 
Smoked mine last night. It is not what it is supposed to be. It was rolled loosely. The draw was way too easy. It burned way too hot. The cigar required toutching up continually.

The taste was not that of a cigar that cost that much money. The taste was that of extremely hot tobacco...carbon. It burned my mouth every draw. Blowing it out through your nose was impossable. This was not even a good $2 cigar.

IMHO someone is being scammed here. I do not believe cigar rollers are allowed to hand out cigars wrapped in newspaper. They may be allowed to smoke while at work. At best these cigars come from rollers in training. These are not first rate Cuban cigars. I could not taste any Cuban twang in the smoke. You experenced smokers know what I mean.

Either Vitasea believes this line from the guy he gets these cigars from and is being scammed or he is trying to scam us.

Thanks for the smoke. Also for the cigar caddie. It will be used frequently.
 
cigarsarge said:
Smoked mine last night. It is not what it is supposed to be. It was rolled loosely. The draw was way too easy. It burned way too hot. The cigar required toutching up continually.

The taste was not that of a cigar that cost that much money. The taste was that of extremely hot tobacco...carbon. It burned my mouth every draw. Blowing it out through your nose was impossable. This was not even a good $2 cigar.

IMHO someone is being scammed here. I do not believe cigar rollers are allowed to hand out cigars wrapped in newspaper. They may be allowed to smoke while at work. At best these cigars come from rollers in training. These are not first rate Cuban cigars. I could not taste any Cuban twang in the smoke. You experenced smokers know what I mean.

Either Vitasea believes this line from the guy he gets these cigars from and is being scammed or he is trying to scam us.

Thanks for the smoke. Also for the cigar caddie. It will be used frequently.
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ya cigarsage am really trying to scame you i send you a free cigar and with a lot of volume i'm reaLLY GOING TO GET RICH.............sending out free cigars.
like my post we are setting in the riveara hotel and.....................
 
vitasea said:
cigarsarge said:
Smoked mine last night. It is not what it is supposed to be. It was rolled loosely. The draw was way too easy. It burned way too hot. The cigar required toutching up continually.

The taste was not that of a cigar that cost that much money. The taste was that of extremely hot tobacco...carbon. It burned my mouth every draw. Blowing it out through your nose was impossable. This was not even a good $2 cigar.

IMHO someone is being scammed here. I do not believe cigar rollers are allowed to hand out cigars wrapped in newspaper. They may be allowed to smoke while at work. At best these cigars come from rollers in training. These are not first rate Cuban cigars. I could not taste any Cuban twang in the smoke. You experenced smokers know what I mean.

Either Vitasea believes this line from the guy he gets these cigars from and is being scammed or he is trying to scam us.

Thanks for the smoke. Also for the cigar caddie. It will be used frequently.
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ya cigarsage am really trying to scame you i send you a free cigar and with a lot of volume i'm reaLLY GOING TO GET RICH.............sending out free cigars.
like my post we are setting in the riveara hotel and.....................
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Did you or did you not make an attempt to sell cigars on one of your first posts on this board? Could this not be a further attempt to get people to buy your cigars...Namely new guys that have no real cigar experence. IMHO this is what is going on.

The crap about rollers giving you cigars is crap. How many times have we heard this story?
 
vitasea said:
cigarsarge said:
Smoked mine last night. It is not what it is supposed to be. It was rolled loosely. The draw was way too easy. It burned way too hot. The cigar required toutching up continually.

The taste was not that of a cigar that cost that much money. The taste was that of extremely hot tobacco...carbon. It burned my mouth every draw. Blowing it out through your nose was impossable. This was not even a good $2 cigar.

IMHO someone is being scammed here. I do not believe cigar rollers are allowed to hand out cigars wrapped in newspaper. They may be allowed to smoke while at work. At best these cigars come from rollers in training. These are not first rate Cuban cigars. I could not taste any Cuban twang in the smoke. You experenced smokers know what I mean.

Either Vitasea believes this line from the guy he gets these cigars from and is being scammed or he is trying to scam us.

Thanks for the smoke. Also for the cigar caddie. It will be used frequently.
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ya cigarsage am really trying to scame you i send you a free cigar and with a lot of volume i'm reaLLY GOING TO GET RICH.............sending out free cigars.
like my post we are setting in the riveara hotel and.....................
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Vitesea, in all honesty - if you didn't like CigarSarge's post, you won't like mine either.

I smoked it last night and was very disappointed. I really was expecting it to be a great cigar. To be honest, I was not real happy with the experience. Probably more than anything else, if I'd not been expecting great things I might have not been so displeased.

The construction looked nice, but the cigar had a very tight draw, and was hot through the entire smoke. The taste was very flat and not complex at all. There was a faint "cuban" taste, but it was barely noticeable. The burn was not very even. It smokes as though it was either very young, or had been stored in humidity over 70%.

I'm sorry it wasn't what you wanted to hear. Thank you very much for the cigar carrier. Please let me send you something in return. PM with your addy and I'll get something off to you this week.
 
If you plan on selling cigars you get from your "rollers" here on this board, how can we all be assured they are going to be genuine every time? Even if these recent ones are legit, they weren't legit last time.

Ree
 
ggiese said:
vitasea said:
cigarsarge said:
Smoked mine last night. It is not what it is supposed to be. It was rolled loosely. The draw was way too easy. It burned way too hot. The cigar required toutching up continually.

The taste was not that of a cigar that cost that much money. The taste was that of extremely hot tobacco...carbon. It burned my mouth every draw. Blowing it out through your nose was impossable. This was not even a good $2 cigar.

IMHO someone is being scammed here. I do not believe cigar rollers are allowed to hand out cigars wrapped in newspaper. They may be allowed to smoke while at work. At best these cigars come from rollers in training. These are not first rate Cuban cigars. I could not taste any Cuban twang in the smoke. You experenced smokers know what I mean.

Either Vitasea believes this line from the guy he gets these cigars from and is being scammed or he is trying to scam us.

Thanks for the smoke. Also for the cigar caddie. It will be used frequently.
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ya cigarsage am really trying to scame you i send you a free cigar and with a lot of volume i'm reaLLY GOING TO GET RICH.............sending out free cigars.
like my post we are setting in the riveara hotel and.....................
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Vitesea, in all honesty - if you didn't like CigarSarge's post, you won't like mine either.

I smoked it last night and was very disappointed. I really was expecting it to be a great cigar. To be honest, I was not real happy with the experience. Probably more than anything else, if I'd not been expecting great things I might have not been so displeased.

The construction looked nice, but the cigar had a very tight draw, and was hot through the entire smoke. The taste was very flat and not complex at all. There was a faint "cuban" taste, but it was barely noticeable. The burn was not very even. It smokes as though it was either very young, or had been stored in humidity over 70%.

I'm sorry it wasn't what you wanted to hear. Thank you very much for the cigar carrier. Please let me send you something in return. PM with your addy and I'll get something off to you this week.
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i have to agree here. nothing special, not even enough to make me say , "hmm, this was ok." I appreciate the opportunity to try it, but nothing special here. this was a $50.00 cigar in sheeps clothing...sorry, but you wanted honesty, and honestey you shall have from me. Take care...
 
Funny thing was after all the talking I did...mine came out to taste pretty good. Not a hot burn...uneven until I slowed down...because I usually smoke fast. There was an "amount" of Cuban tobacco taste...but there was a lot of "other" taste as well. I wouldn't pay $50 for another, but at the same time I wouldn't turn another down.
Vitasea...where are you from anyway? You never told us and you seem to be hiding it. Let us all know...won't ya'?

-Fetter
 
i do not have a problem with differing opions at all....hell this would be a pertty boring place if we were all alike. my only concern is to keep the facts stright..nothing more. but i do get a little upset when i'm accused of trying to rip someone off by sending them a free cigar. plesae do not respond to future free offers if you feel that way. i would like to introduce a few of you to in my opion some great cigars you may not be able to get or want to spend the money to purchase.

absolutly feel free to give honest reviews i would not want it any other way, and no nothing is free in cuba, i live in omaha land of the once mighty big red football team........:(

i just looked at the postings.there has been 117 posts and almost 2000 views to this thread since july 12th, what do you guys do for fun when i'm not around??????????
 
I got mine today and it turns out the post office was just holding it with some other boxes.

The triple cap looks a little sloppy and the PSD band and RR band have something rough on them. I find that odd for such a high-end cigar.

Never-the-less, the proof is in the smoking it...I'll report back in about a week or two so it can stabilize :thumbs:
 
mrjinglesusa said:
Gonz said:
Here's a couple pics I found at online retailers:

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Now after more looking I found another pic, but the close up on the band has the year "2000" on it, <removed by me> so maybe I'm looking at the wrong cigars online.
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It's supposed to have the year 2000 on it.

EDIT: By the way, hot-linking to pictures directly on retailer sites is not the best idea.
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Ironically, your nested quotes kept the hotlink to the source. You might want to fix that.
 
cvmfour said:
I got mine today and it turns out the post office was just holding it with some other boxes.

The triple cap looks a little sloppy and the PSD band and RR band have something rough on them. I find that odd for such a high-end cigar.

Never-the-less, the proof is in the smoking it...I'll report back in about a week or two so it can stabilize :thumbs:
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glad you got it was sure i sent you one. i don't understand this letting it rest for a week or two??? i keep my walk in humidor at 70_70 and it usually only takes a couple days to ship one,not in your case, but i can't imagin there could be much of a change. am i miss informed about this storage and resting thing???
 
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