PARTIGAS serie D 2005 reserva

[cvmfour]

An interesting note an associate of mine sold 200 of these cigars for $20 a stick on cigar weekly and had nothing but praise . I have also been criticized for not wanting an honest opinion not true I have only wanted to keep the facts straight
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I gave you an honest opinion Vitsea. The damn thing was bland as hell and didn't smell of cuban tobacco. We all know it's an unmistakeable smell. Even though the leaves were aged, the cigar as a whole wasn't. So it could just be sick...Who the **** knows

On a side note...I'd like to know who your "associate" is at cweekly??? :whistling:

Vitasea,

The Cohibas you sent me all looked great, Double Corona EL 2003, Sublime EL 2005, Siglo VI.

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2005 Sublime ??? I hope it's a typo :whistling:

 

[NorCalCigarLover]

2005 Sublime ??? I hope it's a typo :whistling:

This was from memory as the sticks are not currently with me but I'm fairly sure one of the EL's stated 2005. Heck, my memory isn't always what it used to be :whistling: , so I'll check again tonight and update you later.

 

[preembargo]

Vitasea,

Even though I am very happy with the gifts you sent, because of the reasons I gave in my previous post, I'm still of the opinion that to offer any trades/deals/passes, etc., that you would do well to assure CP members that you are using your source(s) from across the (other) pond.


One point that should be addressed is the fact that several people have mentioned burn issues. Uneven burns can happen to any cigar for a variety of reasons. One simply corrects the burn and continues on. However, several reviewers have made judgments regarding quality and authenticity based on the flavor profile deteriorating after stating that they intentionally did not correct the uneven burn because they wanted to see just how bad it would get. One cannot accurately assess a cigar this way because the intended flavor profile can only be experienced as the blend of the various tobaccos burns evenly. When any component of the cigar (wrapper, binder, filler) burns faster than the other components, it completely alters the flavor profile and will ruin the experience for the smoker.

 

[bfreebern]

The one he sent me burned perfect and was constructed top-notch. The taste wasn't there at all. Nothing like the PSD #4s I'm used to smoking.

Thanks for the 2 finger case though.

 

[JimK]

Vitasea,

I was not part of this latest offering, but you did send me some sticks a while back, and I appreciate it. As thanks, let me post some really heartfelt advice, because I have no evidence that you are anything but a nice guy trying to sell some cigars that you believe are the real deal.

Number one: Guys resting your cigars. You need to get off this. They all have a hell of a lot of experience with this issue, and it does make a difference. I know it is frustrating to wait for the reviews to be posted. But believe it or not, these guys are trying to give you the benefit of the doubt by letting the cigars rest.

Number two: There are a few "trusted sources" around here. If you are not a trusted source, you are not trusted. Period. Nothing personal, it's just that we all work hard for our dollars, and spend them judiciously.

I bring this up because I think what you want is to become a trusted source. And that is not easy around here. It is very difficult to earn the trust, and very easy to lose it. Believe me, when somebody has a bad experience with an existing trusted source, the word gets around very quickly, and that source lives or dies by how he responds. There are plenty of sources that used to be trusted, but have gone by the wayside.

I think this is going to be a tough nut for you to crack. You are starting with a deficit, and as you said, if a guy is smoking a cigar he thinks is suspicous, he can't really give an un-biased review. In addition, people tend to value a thing commensurate with what they pay for it. No offense to anybody here, that is just unvarnished truth. We don't value free stuff as much as we value things we sacrificed for. And one more thing, no trusted source here got to be trusted by giving away free cigars. That's because it doesn't work, as you are discovering.

Like I said, there is no mistrust coming from my end, just a couple of observations that I hope help you out. Good luck with your endeavors.

JK

 

[NorCalCigarLover]

Yup ...... just as I remembered. The Double Corona is an EL 2003 and the Sublime is a EL 2005.

 

[MilesMingusMonk]

Yup ...... just as I remembered. The Double Corona is an EL 2003 and the Sublime is a EL 2005.

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???

Looks like the dude in the alley must have run out of the 2004 bands.....

 

[vitasea]

just smoke them,you guys become so anal about bands and i have never smoked a band

no one on this board underststand my humor???

is everyone here have a very constristed anus??

besides what did you guys do for fun until i showed up???

happy birthday frank?? and.........??

 

[cigarsarge]

just smoke them,you guys become so anal about bands and i have never smoked a band

no one on this board underststand my humor???

is everyone here have a very constristed anus??

besides what did you guys do for fun until i showed up???

happy birthday frank?? and.........??

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What in the hell does this post mean?

 

[wasch_24]

Deja Vu


I would like to hear more about these Partagas Serie P ELs you had pictured.

 

[fetterjohn]

I can't actually believe this post is still going...and going...and going.

-Fetter

 

[moki]

Yup ...... just as I remembered. The Double Corona is an EL 2003 and the Sublime is a EL 2005.

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heh. (yes, I know, weirder things have come out of Habanos SA... but still... heh )

 

[moki]

Now I am aware that most people anticipated that these were fakes and if smoked with that altitude probably were convinced they were, they were not.

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You were just as vehement that the Cohibas you sent out a few months ago were real; they were not.

I have not smoked the cigars you sent me recently; i will get around to them eventually, or I'd be more than happy to send them back to you. They were sent unsolicited along with a price list of cigars you are selling. Since I have no intention of becoming a customer of yours, I think the cigars are likely wasted on me. PM me if you want them back, I have no desire to take advantage of you.

 

[ggiese]

One point that should be addressed is the fact that several people have mentioned burn issues. Uneven burns can happen to any cigar for a variety of reasons. One simply corrects the burn and continues on. However, several reviewers have made judgments regarding quality and authenticity based on the flavor profile deteriorating after stating that they intentionally did not correct the uneven burn because they wanted to see just how bad it would get. One cannot accurately assess a cigar this way because the intended flavor profile can only be experienced as the blend of the various tobaccos burns evenly. When any component of the cigar (wrapper, binder, filler) burns faster than the other components, it completely alters the flavor profile and will ruin the experience for the smoker.

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I don't know if you were referring to my situation, but I did try to see if the burn would correct itself initially - it didn't. It got so bad I had to keep touching it up so I could taste the cigar. That could have been caused by many things...

In addition, people tend to value a thing commensurate with what they pay for it. No offense to anybody here, that is just unvarnished truth. We don't value free stuff as much as we value things we sacrificed for. And one more thing, no trusted source here got to be trusted by giving away free cigars. That's because it doesn't work, as you are discovering.

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Sorry, Jim - I gotta be honest - in my mind it was a $50 cigar. And I was very disappointed that a $50 cigar smoked and tasted like the cigar I smoked. To me that made it that much worse. I would have been pounding in the vendors door if I'd have paid $50 for it...

What I found strangely odd about these cigars is that others were having the same exact problem that I did with it. Not everyone, mind you - but others did. These cigars were supposed to be the cream of the crop - the "ER" are a cigar that is supposed to have been set apart and specially aged. Mine did not give me that impression whatsoever. It seems to me that one out of the batch is maybe expected. Two bad ones is strange. More than that is incredible for what it was supposed to be....

 

[moki]

Whats up afraid of public ridicule. An interesting note an associate of mine sold 200 of these cigars for $20 a stick on cigar weekly and had nothing but praise . I have also been criticized for not wanting an honest opinion not true I have only wanted to keep the facts straight
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What stick specifically did he sell on CigarWeekly.com ? What is your associate's name on CigarWeekly.com ?

 

[morenoloco]

First of all, Gonz you were wrong for posting sources...Period 

Fetter,
I would NEVER purchase cigars from my local B&M. No telling how many times I've heard the "I have a relative in Cuba" story. I would only purchase from sites that are reccomended to you. Just stick around and the sources will come to you in due time. I know that some people are scared about seizures with Customs. Well, I've been ordering for a year and just got my first seizure. But I'm not worried because I picked a good vendor that's taking care of me.

Jim,
Just a little correction on the wrapper shades you were harping to Fetter about. Everyone needs to remember that with a natural product, such as cigars, that there will be variations in wrapper color. It's not an if, it's a guarantee. I think there are 70 different wrapper colors sorted when cuban cigars are boxed.

Vitsea,
I'm still waiting on mine and will compare it to the ones I already have. Hopefully it'll come in today.

Also, those that think this will taste like an aged PSD#4 are wrong. The tobacco might be 5 year old tobacco that they use in PSD#4 cigars, but they haven't gotten a chance to meld together. Just remember this if you think they're "off" for some reason.

All IMHO folks 

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All good points Cliff. However, it's not the color so much as the LENGTH that is troubling. I have never heard of a PSD4 that is over 124 mm.

You are right on about the taste. The cigar SMELLS fresh and a little wet. To me, it smells like a fresh PSD4 should smell. As such, this should taste like a freshly rolled PSD4. I was going to smoke it tonight, but considering the wetness, I am going to let it sit @ 64% for a few days.

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Mr. Jingles... a 1/8 inch difference is acceptable.... I'm not saying that these are real vs. fake.. but it is acceptable within the Habanos world for an error margin of 3.16 mm's.

 

[morenoloco]

I'm not trying to slam vitasea; I just think it is fair to get the information out there so people can make up their own minds. This is particularly important for people who are new here, and may not be aware of the history, or may not have any idea regarding fake vs. real Cuban cigars.

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Moki speaks the truth... a lot of this gos around these days...

Vitasea, I'd be more than happy to sample two of each of your cigars as long as I have two of each cigar to compare against my collection.

If I cannot determine the cigars origin from smoking one, I'll send a cigar to someone in the far east who can tell for a fact.

 

[CoventryCat86]

I'm not trying to slam vitasea; I just think it is fair to get the information out there so people can make up their own minds.  This is particularly important for people who are new here, and may not be aware of the history, or may not have any idea regarding fake vs. real Cuban cigars.

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Moki speaks the truth... a lot of this gos around these days...

Vitasea, I'd be more than happy to sample two of each of your cigars as long as I have two of each cigar to compare against my collection.

If I cannot determine the cigars origin from smoking one, I'll send a cigar to someone in the far east who can tell for a fact.

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Hey morenoloco, if you post that Moki is a DICK, I'll send ya cigar :laugh:

 

[moki]

Please see here:

The Vitasea Timeline

 

[bfreebern]

I know his associate, if anyone is interested.