CP's "Cigar 101" Newbie Pass 4

[Breedy]

I've got $15.92 on the DC and $22.15 on the CAO. Pretty big spread on this one.

Camacho 10th $10.94 / Davi Mille $16.24 - Good
Rocky Patel Olde World Reserve Corojo Toro $12.04 /Partagas 160 Sig Robusto Minor $15.77

What do the words "leaving the pass better than you found it" actually mean? Does it mean putting in a more than you take out? Or does it reference basic maintance issues, such as making sure beads are properly maintained or pens work or that any packaging defects are corrected?

Not to single out any single person, but $3.50-6.00 are beyond the scope of the aforementioned statement, too me. An underput of that size would never be allowed, so the question is why do we "overput" and what possible ramifications might that have on the rest of the pass.

Yes we are all grown-ups and a man/woman is free to due with their cigars as they see fit, for the most part. However, by "over putting", you increase the difficult on those following you. As example this is a beginner pass and therefor has a wide assortment of price ranges for cigars, an over put of a couple of dollars per person skews the entire pass.

Puts and takes should be close to even as possible. To be exact is near impossible, but within a dollar over is easily obtainable. If you don't have cigars to "put" for a "take" then don't that one. Further, this might seem like common sense, but match your most expensive "put" with your most expensive "take". Although, the total difference might be the same on a series of "puts" and "takes", the price difference per cigar would be less.

On top of all this is the "keeping up with the Jones" effect. No one likes to be seen as cheap and when others "overput" one feels the need to do the same. To me a pass is a chance to trade cigars that you might not have access to. Passes start with X number of cigars in Y price range and all participants know those ranges and should know that they have cigars to match those. If the number of lower price cigars decreases then there are few options for people with less extensive Humi's.

Is this really that big of deal...probably not. Its just something to chew on. Honestly, I try to keep puts and takes as close to zero as possible. If I see something that I want, but can't match, I either look for something else or stop by my local to pick something up.

Just some thoughts guys

Respectfully,
Brandon

 

[Kingantz]

I just realized I paid a bit above MSRP on these.

Thanks Moki. Check out this great source of info on Vitolas.

Linky no worky! You have to use the link at the bottom of the Vitola page (I think).

 

[miamipadronsmoker]

Linky fixy

 

[Kingantz]

T: CAO Lx2 Lancero $6.50 / P: Illusiones MK $6.17
T: Jose Seijas Short Figurado $11.24 / P: CAO Sopranos Boss $12.24
T: Opus xXx $9.25 / P: DPG My Father Lancero $9.40
T: Gurkha Regent Torpedo $6.78 / P: LFD Chisel Maduro $6.85

It's worth a shot.....
T: Opus X DC / P: Tatuaje Black

Does anyone see a problem with the first T/P?

Also meant to add, how about the Opus xXx and My Father Lancero? This was one that was actually discussed recently in another pass.

The Tat Blacks were around $12 a stick (Jar release), and obviously have some rarity. The Opus DC is $15 a stick, also has rarity. Off the bat there's a $2 to $3 difference. The question is, does the Tat Black really hold that much more rarity than the Opus?

 

[SPIVY]

T: CAO Lx2 Lancero $6.50 / P: Illusiones MK $6.17
T: Jose Seijas Short Figurado $11.24 / P: CAO Sopranos Boss $12.24
T: Opus xXx $9.25 / P: DPG My Father Lancero $9.40
T: Gurkha Regent Torpedo $6.78 / P: LFD Chisel Maduro $6.85

It's worth a shot.....
T: Opus X DC / P: Tatuaje Black

Does anyone see a problem with the first T/P?

Also meant to add, how about the Opus xXx and My Father Lancero? This was one that was actually discussed recently in another pass.

The Tat Blacks were around $12 a stick (Jar release), and obviously have some rarity. The Opus DC is $15 a stick, also has rarity. Off the bat there's a $2 to $3 difference. The question is, does the Tat Black really hold that much more rarity than the Opus?

Actually the jar release had 19 cigars at the same price if I'm not mistaken. So personally I think they do hold up.

 

[miamipadronsmoker]

T: CAO Lx2 Lancero $6.50 / P: Illusiones MK $6.17
T: Jose Seijas Short Figurado $11.24 / P: CAO Sopranos Boss $12.24
T: Opus xXx $9.25 / P: DPG My Father Lancero $9.40
T: Gurkha Regent Torpedo $6.78 / P: LFD Chisel Maduro $6.85

It's worth a shot.....
T: Opus X DC / P: Tatuaje Black

Does anyone see a problem with the first T/P?

Also meant to add, how about the Opus xXx and My Father Lancero? This was one that was actually discussed recently in another pass.

The Tat Blacks were around $12 a stick (Jar release), and obviously have some rarity. The Opus DC is $15 a stick, also has rarity. Off the bat there's a $2 to $3 difference. The question is, does the Tat Black really hold that much more rarity than the Opus?

The My Father is a no go in my opinion. No rarity there at all to match the Opus. The MSRP on the Black from the Jar is higher than $12. I think its around $14 so that's definitely good in my opinion considering the Blacks rarity.

 

[Breedy]

It's worth a shot.....
T: Opus X DC / P: Tatuaje Black

That's an interesting one. The Opus X is a couple bucks on the high side of what the Tat Black originally went for, but the Tat was supposedly a one-shot deal (but then there were bundles . . . and now there are rumors . . . lol) whereas the Opus is in regular, albeit limited, distribution.

If that Tat were a Frank I'd be all :thumbs: !

~Boar

I am inclined to agree with Boar. The Tat Black original MSRP was 12.00 in the bundle the Opus DC is at 15.00 by MMM guide. The 3 dollar difference is no good in my opinion.

This brings us to another point on Rarity. (I know, I know here I go again). Rarity isn't so much a price/value point in a pass. Having a rare stick shouldn't "buy" you up. Its more of a pre-qualifier, a requirement to trade for a certain stick. There are many over priced cigars out there, lets just say Montecristo Media Noche Torpedo with an MSRP of approx 11 Dollars (per CI) and a Anejo 77, aka "Shark" has an MSRP of $9.25 per MMM guide. On dollar amount the Monte is ahead, but is that really a fair trade?

The idea behind rarity is to trade "like" cigars. Its the same thing that behind the CC of CC and NC for NC rule in some passes.

 

[miamipadronsmoker]

Does anyone have the MSRP of the Tatuaje Black Jar?
From my memory I paid $290 for the jar and there are 19 sticks making the cost $15.26. That's more expensive than the Opus DC. However I probably paid over MSRP.

 

[SPIVY]

Does anyone have the MSRP of the Tatuaje Black Jar?

I believe it was 288 for 19 ($15.16), but I could be wrong.

 

[Kingantz]

I'm not finding anywhere stating the MSRP on the 19 ct Tat Black Jar. I did find where one was sold for $235, one for $245, and one for $275 throughout different threads. Does anyone have where the MSRP information can be located?

Los - Is this a Tat Black from the original release, 19ct Jar, cello'd bundle?

 

[SPIVY]

I bought a 3er about the time I joined here. Someone was selling them from a jar he had. So it is indeed a jar release Tat Black.

Looks like 19 CT Jar release

 

[NASTY]

I know it was from a jar. Original release? I don't know. I know for sure it was some weird number. It wasn't the usual 20 or 25.

 

[miamipadronsmoker]

I'm not finding anywhere stating the MSRP on the 19 ct Tat Black Jar. I did find where one was sold for $235, one for $245, and one for $275 throughout different threads. Does anyone have where the MSRP information can be located?

Los - Is this a Tat Black from the original release, 19ct Jar, cello'd bundle?

From Vitolas: "$12 per cigar, $288 per bundle of 24 cigars (the jars packaging may cost slightly more)".

How do we factor in packaging?

By the way I have found that the jar release has darker wrappers.

 

[Kingantz]

I'm not finding anywhere stating the MSRP on the 19 ct Tat Black Jar. I did find where one was sold for $235, one for $245, and one for $275 throughout different threads. Does anyone have where the MSRP information can be located?

Los - Is this a Tat Black from the original release, 19ct Jar, cello'd bundle?

From Vitolas: "$12 per cigar, $288 per bundle of 24 cigars (the jars packaging may cost slightly more)".

How do we factor in packaging?

By the way I have found that the jarred release have darker wrappers.

Somebody call Pete and ask...


...and ask him to send us some Tats while you're at it.

 

[NASTY]

This is quite an intriguing argument. Glad I brought it up

*I called Pete, he says that he thinks it's a fair trade and Greg, that you owe him $25*

**Robbie, Pete wants you to stop showing up at his shop at all hours of the night**

 

[SPIVY]

I'm not finding anywhere stating the MSRP on the 19 ct Tat Black Jar. I did find where one was sold for $235, one for $245, and one for $275 throughout different threads. Does anyone have where the MSRP information can be located?

Los - Is this a Tat Black from the original release, 19ct Jar, cello'd bundle?

From Vitolas: "$12 per cigar, $288 per bundle of 24 cigars (the jars packaging may cost slightly more)".

How do we factor in packaging?

By the way I have found that the jarred release have darker wrappers.

I just got a 5er of the jar release, and they do look darker.

 

[Kingantz]

I'm not finding anywhere stating the MSRP on the 19 ct Tat Black Jar. I did find where one was sold for $235, one for $245, and one for $275 throughout different threads. Does anyone have where the MSRP information can be located?

Los - Is this a Tat Black from the original release, 19ct Jar, cello'd bundle?

From Vitolas: "$12 per cigar, $288 per bundle of 24 cigars (the jars packaging may cost slightly more)".

How do we factor in packaging?

By the way I have found that the jarred release have darker wrappers.

I just got a 5er of the jar release, and they do look darker.

The jar release has a darker wrapper. All lighter wrappers were used in the cello'd bundles.

 

[miamipadronsmoker]

I sent Pete a PM inquiring about the MSRP on the jar.

 

[Kingantz]

This is quite an intriguing argument. Glad I brought it up

*I called Pete, he says that he thinks it's a fair trade and Greg, that you owe him $25*

**Robbie, Pete wants you to stop showing up at his shop at all hours of the night**

$25?? What the? Well I nev...hey wait. You didn't really call did you.

 

[Not A Nice Person]

Does anyone have the MSRP of the Tatuaje Black Jar?

I got mine at MSRP minus $50 store credit and my cost was about $190.

~Boar