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Aged Opus, Anejo, Maduro Hemingways

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Indyrob has it completely right. He has done nothing wrong, and never has. He stated the truth from the beginning and still people tried to rip it up. Quit the drama and go pick on some noobies as usual not an upstanding retailer and member.
 
KeithS said:
Oh, and just to be clear, I did not sell my Dark Lord on Ebay. It's more valuable than that to me. It's meant to be opened with friends, a good cigar and enjoyed. :love:

Keith
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:love: I've been shared a bottle of dl with Keith & Tim. :love:

If I make it back up before the winter gets bad we're going to your place and raiding your stash! :sign:
 
BlindedByScience said:
Lots of us are fortunate enough to have sources for Opies at retail, but I think the key point to remember is that not everyone does.

[snippity-snip]

But....how about a guy that doesn't have a decent B&M close by, let alone one that gets Opies on a quasi regular basis..? How about a guy that's never had one, doesn't have a source, and is willing to pay extra for an aged smoke? Perhaps it's well "worth it" to him...??

We always look out for each other and reminding folks how far above retail these are isn't out of line. But suggesting he's "gouging" or that the sale be pulled seems to me to be going a little far.

One man's opinion - B.B.S.
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One of the most balanced posts I've seen so far on this thread, Tom. What a breath of fresh air amidst this chaos.


I'll be honest, I checked out Mindriot's aged section on his website and saw what he has to offer. Looking at some of the prices he has for Opus, let alone AGED OPUS, I was impressed and excited to purchase a couple. I am an Opus smoker, but also live in California where taxes markup the asking price of these cigars all the time.

A local B&M of mine has an Opus X 2005 Lancero for $45.99. The same B&M has regular release Opus X #4's at $16.99 a stick. Before some of you cry the old, "Is it an authorized Fuente dealer??" You bet. Check the site and search for "zarka." You'll find it on there. Another B&M of mine has Opus X Robustos, regular release I remind you, for $22 a stick. Fuente dealer? Of course.


That said, Tom made some excellent points: Not everybody has access to Opus at or below MSRP (whatever that means) like some of you gentleman may have on here. I know one or two guys that I can talk to that can direct me to an Opus at just a touch above MSRP, during the regular release times...if I'm lucky.


Personally, I think Mindriot is providing a great deal for some of these aged cigars. He has to make a living and cover his cost somehow. Like Tom said, what about a guy like me who doesn't have a regular source? Is it worth paying this price for AGED OPUS?? You betcha. Like Indyrob said:

indyrob said:
Did you all forget that he is in it so he can have a profitable business?

[snippity]

Maybe all the hot deals the vendors have been throwing at the members on CP has gotten to their heads.
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Ok, raise your hand if you missed the point about selling 'around MSRP'!

Anyone?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
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I have to say as a newbie, I am glad my fellow BOTL comment on sales like this one, to let us newbies know that unlike other deals venders post here, they may not be the best deal around. As newbies, we then can make the proper decision for our situation. If we should find other avenues of purchasing such smokes or to accept those prices for said smokes. I did think about buying an opus 5 pack from this sale, even before this long thread started, but just couldn't afford the prices so I past.

I do have a couple of questions regarding this sale.

1. I might be mistaken, but through reading, I thought age really didn't improve(and sometimes hurt) NC and wasn't really important as it is to CC, is this correct?

2. If I sold my cigars, should I expect msrp plus tax as a selling price? I was told cigars or not investments!!

3. They only thing I see wrong with the sale is it sounded like an exculsive sale just to CPers. Is that correct?

In closing, I think everyone here is correct, He stated they were expensive and the reasoning behind his pricing. We have to trust him on that, and from other BOTL responses he has given us no reason not to believe him.
I also appreciate my fellow BOTL posting with the information about sales so we can make clear buying decisions based on our wants and availability of smokes to us.
Thanks

Rich

ps I was wondering.... If you pay a lump sum for a collection, why pay over 2x msrp for opus and near msrp (or as he stated priced right) for others?!
 
If we are going to be expected to do our part and read all 5 pages, this thread will need way more boobage.

Just sayin.
 
KeithS said:
It seems to me that there is a pattern to sales of Opus. People that have them want a premium price, but people that don't want to pay MSRP, and the truth is that with Opus you just don't get them for MSRP.


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Oh man, don't you just hate it when you make a blanket statement that is so far off base you'd think you're playing for the Cubs?!

Great deal on aged/rare Opus

Another one

And yet another

Thank you sir, may I have another!?

I could go on, but the weather is nice out and I'd like to enjoy it.
 
grateful1 said:
Ok, raise your hand if you missed the point about selling 'around MSRP'!

Anyone?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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What I want to know is why is this thread different to others where I have stated, "this is way over MSRP" The one thread the Prof of professors jumped on me quickly with a diatribe
crap about this and that.

The consensus in that thread was, provided you state, "this is what I paid for them", then it's ok to sell them at that price. I don't agree that if you paid WAY over MSRP that you are entitled, but that's just me.
What then constitutes gouging?

This guy is a retailer. IMHO, notwithstanding what he says he paid for the smokes or his explanation, the price he is asking for, is, IMO gouging...this based on what one can get these sticks for.

The difference between he (retailer) and us, BOTL is IMO, the difference between friend and vendor. As a vendor he is entitled to sell for whatever he wishes, we just will not buy from him and so his reputation suffers. As a vendor, he should not be treated as a friend (in this case) because he is in business to make profit. Why do we allow him to explain why he is charging what he is, even if he is a good guy. His prices are very high. Nothing wrong with that if we want to pay his prices.

As a BOTL member of CP, we are friends, we must err to the side of loss, rather than the side of profit. Otherwise, don't sell on CP.

Brian
 
This thread is a perfect example of why I don't post or participate here as much as I used to. The eagerness of people who have been here 1-2 years to "bite the hand that feeds them" so to speak is disgusting.

Here are just a couple of places where some of the people posting in this very thread praised MindRiot for his deals:

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...c=49456&hl=

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...c=49573&hl=

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...c=48703&hl=

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...c=46565&hl=

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...c=45649&hl= (previous Aged Opus/Anejo post - no complaints there)

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...c=44947&hl=

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...c=44536&hl=

The idea that someone who pays over MSRP for a cigar should, if they choose to sell it, only sell it for MSRP is laughable. :rolleyes:
 
Gonz said:
KeithS said:
It seems to me that there is a pattern to sales of Opus. People that have them want a premium price, but people that don't want to pay MSRP, and the truth is that with Opus you just don't get them for MSRP.


Keith
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Oh man, don't you just hate it when you make a blanket statement that is so far off base you'd think you're playing for the Cubs?!

Great deal on aged/rare Opus

Another one

And yet another

Thank you sir, may I have another!?

I could go on, but the weather is nice out and I'd like to enjoy it.
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Everyone of those sales had Opus combined with other sticks.

Examples not accepted.
 
mrjinglesusa said:
The eagerness of people who have been here 1-2 years to "bite the hand that feeds them" so to speak is disgusting.

The idea that someone who pays over MSRP for a cigar should, if they choose to sell it, only sell it for MSRP is laughable. :rolleyes:
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I don't bite anyone's hand, kiss a pretty girs hand, now that's cool. :laugh:

A vendor can do what he wants. If this vendor did not post on here and you were doing a search for the same smokes, would you buy from him or his competitor?

Personally, I don't care what you sell for on CP provided you are being fair and err on the lower side, (don't look to profit) as mentioned above.

Brian
 
mrjinglesusa said:
This thread is a perfect example of why I don't post or participate here as much as I used to. The eagerness of people who have been here 1-2 years to "bite the hand that feeds them" so to speak is disgusting.

Here are just a couple of places where some of the people posting in this very thread praised MindRiot for his deals:

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...c=49456&hl=

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...c=49573&hl=

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...c=48703&hl=

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...c=46565&hl=

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...c=45649&hl= (previous Aged Opus/Anejo post - no complaints there)

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...c=44947&hl=

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...c=44536&hl=

The idea that someone who pays over MSRP for a cigar should, if they choose to sell it, only sell it for MSRP is laughable. :rolleyes:
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Exactly!

EDIT: And as far as my sale goes that Gonz posted in defense of his statement. http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...557&hl=Opus .
I am not a retailer, and do not make a living off of what I buy and sell. I sold for what I paid for it simply for that reason. If it were my business, I would have marked it up :). Would people come after me with pitchforks then??
 
KeithS said:
Gonz said:
KeithS said:
It seems to me that there is a pattern to sales of Opus. People that have them want a premium price, but people that don't want to pay MSRP, and the truth is that with Opus you just don't get them for MSRP.


Keith
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Oh man, don't you just hate it when you make a blanket statement that is so far off base you'd think you're playing for the Cubs?!

Great deal on aged/rare Opus

Another one

And yet another

Thank you sir, may I have another!?

I could go on, but the weather is nice out and I'd like to enjoy it.
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Everyone of those sales had Opus combined with other sticks.

Examples not accepted.
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And every one of those sales was for a reasonable price. Unless you already forgot that there are other sticks here being offered for significantly above msrp. Let's see, Anejos, Hemingways, regular production Sungrowns, CAO's, Camanchos ( :sign: ) and many others.

Keith, before you go sticking your newbie nose where it doesn't belong, perhaps you should actually read some of the posts and get an understanding of what the subject matter is. Fact of the matter is, you have no idea what the hell you are talking about, yet you continue to make blanket statements that are ludicrous at best.
 
Those are, however, private sales, not a vendor reselling cigars for his store. Quite the different situation.
 
Yeahthatsme said:
Those are, however, private sales, not a vendor reselling cigars for his store. Quite the different situation.
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That is true, and we recognize that. However Keith seems to think that Opus or any other HTF cigars can't be found anywhere for reasonable prices.
 
We can go on all day; this thread is turning into a matter of everyone's opinion. Bottom line is, this is the RETAILER FORUM. I expect all who post in here to make a profit. They're retailers... isn't that what being a retailer is all about? Offering good deals, YES, that's also what we expect. We're not so special where retailers should take a loss on what they sell - lets be realistic.

We don't allow retailers like TWCigars to come in here and post consistently high priced cigars over and over - retailers who do that will be banned.

Kevin is a good guy, he acquired cigars that weren't cheap. He posted what he believes to be a reasonable price. I think everyone is now well aware of MSRP - if aged opus are that special to some people, and they wish to pay the prices listed, go for it. The facts are out there, no need to beat a dead horse. Once again, Kevin has always been an upstanding member of CP, and he is not trying to gouge anyone.

No need to continue beating a dead horse.
 
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