Aged Opus, Anejo, Maduro Hemingways

[LOCAL669]

Thank you for the sale!! I will enjoy my new cigars!! I think I paid a fair price for my BTLS's.

 

[KeithS]

In my mind gouging happens on items you must have - gasoline, plywood and generators before a hurricaine, etc. You have no choice but to pay whatever is asked. Cigars are not in this category.

My thoughts exactly, I was just getting ready to post the same. This is not gouging, it is not a product that anyone has to buy.

These are sticks that few may have access too. Also like Greg, some people may be uncomfortable posting ISO threads. If those that want them are comfortable with the price great, if not they don't buy.

I was able to by Dark Lord Beer at the brewery for $15.00 a bottle. That evening people were selling them on ebay for $90.00 and more. Is this gouging. I say no. It's a product that some don't have access to and they are willing to pay this to get it. It's not like you have to have it.

Why don't we just have a don't sell Opus here rule. It seems no other cigar sale creates so much drama.

Keith

 

[stepthirteen]

In my mind gouging happens on items you must have - gasoline, plywood and generators before a hurricaine, etc. You have no choice but to pay whatever is asked. Cigars are not in this category.

My thoughts exactly, I was just getting ready to post the same. This is not gouging, it is not a product that anyone has to buy.

These are sticks that few may have access too. Also like Greg, some people may be uncomfortable posting ISO threads. If those that want them are comfortable with the price great, if not they don't buy.

I was able to by Dark Lord Beer at the brewery for $15.00 a bottle. That evening people were selling them on ebay for $90.00 and more. Is this gouging. I say no. It's a product that some don't have access to and they are willing to pay this to get it. It's not like you have to have it.

Why don't we just have a don't sell Opus here rule. It seems no other cigar sale creates so much drama.

Keith

We should still be able to trade them though, right ?

Jim

 

[Seth]

One of the things I love about CP is the way members look out for each other. That has been done. No one reading this thread can not know that these aged Opus are selling for above MSRP. Let's quit beating this horse ... I know, I know, not the CP way

BTW, I have had several dealings with Silo cigars and Kevin. All have been positive.


Seth

 

[grateful1]

Rod, may we have this (or something similar) pinned to the retailer forum?

In particular the second sentence.

 

[mmburtch]

Silo is a retail establishment, and as such can price things in the store or on their website for any price they wish. People can then make up their own minds as to whether or not they want to pay that price. If they sell, then the market will bear that price, if they don't, and Kevin is to be believed, then he made a bad purchase and will either have to sit on inventory or take a loss.

With that being said, the situation being addressed here is the posting of them as a CP exclusive presale. If the members here who have a pretty good idea of values think these prices are out of line, they have a duty to speak up and say so. If they don't, it gives the impression that the sale and the prices are sanctioned by CP as a community. There are a number of retailers both B&M and internet that sell cigars for outlandish prices, and the same people that purchase cigars on C-Bid for more than they list on CI buy from them. Many of us know of these retailers and when asked, give our opinion.

Kevin, my suggestion would be that you simply put the cigars on your website and see what happens. At this point, most of the CP readers know you have them, and where to find you.

 

[Gonz]

In my mind gouging happens on items you must have - gasoline, plywood and generators before a hurricaine, etc. You have no choice but to pay whatever is asked. Cigars are not in this category.

My thoughts exactly, I was just getting ready to post the same. This is not gouging, it is not a product that anyone has to buy.

These are sticks that few may have access too. Also like Greg, some people may be uncomfortable posting ISO threads. If those that want them are comfortable with the price great, if not they don't buy.

I was able to by Dark Lord Beer at the brewery for $15.00 a bottle. That evening people were selling them on ebay for $90.00 and more. Is this gouging. I say no. It's a product that some don't have access to and they are willing to pay this to get it. It's not like you have to have it.

Why don't we just have a don't sell Opus here rule. It seems no other cigar sale creates so much drama.

Keith

Keith I think you are missing the point entirely. You are correct in that anyone who wants can go ahead and sell anything for any price. BUT, if that price is not necessarily fair and aimed at making a dollar at the expense of the uninformed you had better believe that we are going to say something. The point of my and others' posting on this thread was to be sure that newer members who might not know about the Fuente reference thread or "fair" prices knew that they were being robbed by paying Silo's prices. And after that if they still want to get bent over then that is there prerogative.

 

[indyrob]

Rod, may we have this (or something similar) pinned to the retailer forum?

In particular the second sentence.

Why? To show how you and Gonz started beating down Kevin?

You're funny....you want to be pinned.

 

[Yeahthatsme]

Rod, may we have this (or something similar) pinned to the retailer forum?

In particular the second sentence.

Why? To show how you and Gonz started beating down Kevin?

You're funny....you want to be pinned.

There's a link in his post to a post by rod stating

This forum is not intended as a place where you can get rich, or make some side cash. If that is your intent, then please do not utilize this forum any longer.

. I don't think he wants this thread pinned. Although I believe that what Rod said in that thread is aimed at individuals selling personal cigars, not at the retailer forum, I don't see how retailers could not be trying to turn a profit?

Silo is a retail establishment, and as such can price things in the store or on their website for any price they wish. People can then make up their own minds as to whether or not they want to pay that price. If they sell, then the market will bear that price, if they don't, and Kevin is to be believed, then he made a bad purchase and will either have to sit on inventory or take a loss.

With that being said, the situation being addressed here is the posting of them as a CP exclusive presale. If the members here who have a pretty good idea of values think these prices are out of line, they have a duty to speak up and say so. If they don't, it gives the impression that the sale and the prices are sanctioned by CP as a community. There are a number of retailers both B&M and internet that sell cigars for outlandish prices, and the same people that purchase cigars on C-Bid for more than they list on CI buy from them. Many of us know of these retailers and when asked, give our opinion.

Kevin, my suggestion would be that you simply put the cigars on your website and see what happens. At this point, most of the CP readers know you have them, and where to find you.

While he did say in his original post he was offering them to CP first, I do believe they are on his site and available to the general public anyways, he's just announcing it to us first.

edit:
Rearranged my first point a bit.
Also, please take what I'm saying here as just my opinion, no attacks meant or anything.

 

[indyrob]

I still do not see where Kevin posted the sale on CP! The link is to his own personal site, his place of business and where he makes his money.

Did you all forget that he is in it so he can have a profitable business? He might have paid "Joe 6-pack" prices for the lot instead of wholesale, but he's making some cigars available to people who can't find them on their own or have the means to afford the asking price.

Maybe all the hot deals the vendors have been throwing at the members on CP has gotten to thier heads.

 

[grateful1]

I still do not see where Kevin posted the sale on CP! The link is to his own personal site, his place of business and where he makes his money.

Did you all forget that he is in it so he can have a profitable business? He might have paid "Joe 6-pack" prices for the lot instead of wholesale, but he's making some cigars available to people who can't find them on their own or have the means to afford the asking price.

Maybe all the hot deals the vendors have been throwing at the members on CP has gotten to thier heads.

Regarding the sale post:
The posted link is to a sale for CP members.

Regarding other things:
Take a look back at this thread and the linky's.
You will see in those threads that past members, as well as our host, concur that cigars are to be sold 'around' MSRP...that this place is not a get rich quick site. If he paid to much and is not sure what the real value is (this I understand from what he posted about the buy) - then that doesn't have to be pasted on here.

As far as being 'pinned'...that's referring to the link I put in or pin some such part of the context of Rod's post. It is regarding the statement about not being a site to get rich.

As we have some B/S/T guidelines(and rules)...we should at least show the retailers what applies to them as well.

My comments are a statement based on past principles set as a guide to CP.

 

[Gonz]

Ok so I just bought from a private collector a mother load of Opus, Anejo, and Maduro Hemingways. I have done packs and are offering them on Cigar Pass first. Yes they are expensive however they are all from 2005 or older, I also have a ton of Padrons and Ashton VSG's to go through and put online. Those will go up tomorrow if I get time, so no pictures. This guy was all over the place on sizes so from 2 packs to 7 packs of the same size and even a smattering of random sizes thrown together.

Rare & Aged



Enjoy
Kevin

Yeahthat'sme, please see the above bold print.


Indyrob, please check the link within Gary's post. I believe you are mistaken and typed first instead of seeking to understand. Gary is not asking that this thread be pinned, he was referring to a thread that he linked to, in the words, " this (or something similar)".

 

[BlindedByScience]

This is clearly a touchy subject. Kevin is a well known and completely reliable dealer. As far as I can tell, he's been completely honest as to the origins and age of the Opies in question.

No secret what MSRP on these are; anyone that cares to can look in the Cigar Lounge and see for themselves.

Lots of us are fortunate enough to have sources for Opies at retail, but I think the key point to remember is that not everyone does. Defining what something is "worth" is going to depend on a lot of things. For me, they aren't "worth it" because I can get pretty much all the OpusX I want, at retail, and I'm lucky enough to have a bunch. But....how about a guy that doesn't have a decent B&M close by, let alone one that gets Opies on a quasi regular basis..? How about a guy that's never had one, doesn't have a source, and is willing to pay extra for an aged smoke? Perhaps it's well "worth it" to him...??

We always look out for each other and reminding folks how far above retail these are isn't out of line. But suggesting he's "gouging" or that the sale be pulled seems to me to be going a little far.

One man's opinion - B.B.S.

 

[Yeahthatsme]

Ok so I just bought from a private collector a mother load of Opus, Anejo, and Maduro Hemingways. I have done packs and are offering them on Cigar Pass first. Yes they are expensive however they are all from 2005 or older, I also have a ton of Padrons and Ashton VSG's to go through and put online. Those will go up tomorrow if I get time, so no pictures. This guy was all over the place on sizes so from 2 packs to 7 packs of the same size and even a smattering of random sizes thrown together.

Rare & Aged



Enjoy
Kevin

Yeahthat'sme, please see the above bold print.

I saw that, and I took it as him announcing the availability to us first, not that it was a CP only sale. If you go to his site without visiting that link you can get to those cigars just the same. Perhaps I took it the wrong way, but that's what I got from it. It could definitely be interpreted another way.

 

[NullSmurf]

In my mind gouging happens on items you must have - gasoline, plywood and generators before a hurricaine, etc. You have no choice but to pay whatever is asked. Cigars are not in this category.

My thoughts exactly, I was just getting ready to post the same. This is not gouging, it is not a product that anyone has to buy.

These are sticks that few may have access too. Also like Greg, some people may be uncomfortable posting ISO threads. If those that want them are comfortable with the price great, if not they don't buy.

I was able to by Dark Lord Beer at the brewery for $15.00 a bottle. That evening people were selling them on ebay for $90.00 and more. Is this gouging. I say no. It's a product that some don't have access to and they are willing to pay this to get it. It's not like you have to have it.

Why don't we just have a don't sell Opus here rule. It seems no other cigar sale creates so much drama.

Keith

Whoa! You're on hallowed ground here. If you stumble over a deal on some HTF at $X, then offer it here for $X + Y, you'll be on the first rail out of town. As for aged, I don't give a shit. MSRP is the guide. Pick up a 6 pack of Swirling Swill Double Bock, offer it here for what you paid plus postage. If you want to be a capitalist, take it to eBay. Reputable dealers (including Mindriot) are welcome to sell in the appropriate forum. We've identified dozens of gouging dealers and invited them to peddle elsewhere.

Mindriot found these HTF at $X, which happens to be greater than MSRP and he declared that. We've seen it and permitted it before. I'm not saying Mindriot is, but if I caught a retailer adding his cut on top of that over MSRP price, that would end chance he would ever have to sell to me.

I see that Andy is making this point already, but I'm posting anyhow, so there.

 

[indyrob]

I still do not see where Kevin posted the sale on CP! The link is to his own personal site, his place of business and where he makes his money.

Did you all forget that he is in it so he can have a profitable business? He might have paid "Joe 6-pack" prices for the lot instead of wholesale, but he's making some cigars available to people who can't find them on their own or have the means to afford the asking price.

Maybe all the hot deals the vendors have been throwing at the members on CP has gotten to thier heads.

Regarding the sale post:
The posted link is to a sale for CP members.

Regarding other things:
Take a look back at this thread and the linky's.
You will see in those threads that past members, as well as our host, concur that cigars are to be sold 'around' MSRP...that this place is not a get rich quick site. If he paid to much and is not sure what the real value is (this I understand from what he posted about the buy) - then that doesn't have to be pasted on here.

As far as being 'pinned'...that's referring to the link I put in or pin some such part of the context of Rod's post. It is regarding the statement about not being a site to get rich.

As we have some B/S/T guidelines(and rules)...we should at least show the retailers what applies to them as well.

My comments are a statement based on past principles set as a guide to CP.

I can see the point your making Gary, but to be honest, there is so much drama wrapped up in these threads that I don't read every post and click all the links. Not to mention, your links in particular are often misleading and go to something not really relevant to the topic (sometimes). Your own humor kind of gets in the way when you are actually trying to make a valid point.

The bottom line is he threw out the caveat in the begining, these are expensive. He made no attempt to mislead or gouge. He is doing a transaction and should be able to charge a markup on a product that he is selling. MSRP should not apply since these are from a secondary market - the private collector.

 

[grateful1]

I can see the point your making Gary, but to be honest, there is so much drama wrapped up in these threads that I don't read every post and click all the links. Not to mention, your links in particular are often misleading and go to something not really relevant to the topic (sometimes). Your own humor kind of gets in the way when you are actually trying to make a valid point.

The bottom line is he threw out the caveat in the begining, these are expensive. He made no attempt to mislead or gouge. He is doing a transaction and should be able to charge a markup on a product that he is selling. MSRP should not apply since these are from a secondary market - the private collector.

I guess the linky's can get in the way.

As far as MSRP not applying....are there any other secondary market resellers posting sales at these prices?

 

[KeithS]

In my mind gouging happens on items you must have - gasoline, plywood and generators before a hurricaine, etc. You have no choice but to pay whatever is asked. Cigars are not in this category.

My thoughts exactly, I was just getting ready to post the same. This is not gouging, it is not a product that anyone has to buy.

These are sticks that few may have access too. Also like Greg, some people may be uncomfortable posting ISO threads. If those that want them are comfortable with the price great, if not they don't buy.

I was able to by Dark Lord Beer at the brewery for $15.00 a bottle. That evening people were selling them on ebay for $90.00 and more. Is this gouging. I say no. It's a product that some don't have access to and they are willing to pay this to get it. It's not like you have to have it.

Why don't we just have a don't sell Opus here rule. It seems no other cigar sale creates so much drama.

Keith

Keith I think you are missing the point entirely. You are correct in that anyone who wants can go ahead and sell anything for any price. BUT, if that price is not necessarily fair and aimed at making a dollar at the expense of the uninformed you had better believe that we are going to say something. The point of my and others' posting on this thread was to be sure that newer members who might not know about the Fuente reference thread or "fair" prices knew that they were being robbed by paying Silo's prices. And after that if they still want to get bent over then that is there prerogative.

I think that is fine to educate the uninformed that these sticks can be found at lower prices (although not aged like these are). But the first few posts in this thread did not state that, and appeared to be more of a beat down of the prices of these sticks. Maybe the first posts should have been prefaced with a statement like, "to educate some of our newer members these prices are kind of high and you can get unaged sticks for less". But that was not stated until later in the thread. The first few statements had comments like sniffing glue, and getting my tail pumped. This does not sound like trying to educate members.

It seems to me that there is a pattern to sales of Opus. People that have them want a premium price, but people that don't want to pay MSRP, and the truth is that with Opus you just don't get them for MSRP.

I've smoked them, I like them, but they just are not worth the hassle.

Keith

 

[KeithS]

Oh, and just to be clear, I did not sell my Dark Lord on Ebay. It's more valuable than that to me. It's meant to be opened with friends, a good cigar and enjoyed. :love:

Keith

 

[BlindedByScience]

Mindriot found these HTF at $X, which happens to be greater than MSRP and he declared that. We've seen it and permitted it before. I'm not saying Mindriot is, but if I caught a retailer adding his cut on top of that over MSRP price, that would end chance he would ever have to sell to me.

Bruce, I'm curious how you expect a retailer to stay in business if they aren't allowed to add "their cut" on top of what they pay for the goods they resell. All along I thought that was how it worked.....perhaps you could enlighten me?

B.B.S.