The Danger of Drinking and Driving

[ggiese]

It says I can have 5 drinks in 2 hours and be well under the limit. That means I can get preped before I go out!

Is it okay for me to post in here? Or should I contact shawk and get the a-okay??? ???

Hmmm... smells like bait to me... :whistling:

Nah, shawk - I'm just funnin' like Dennis was... :love:

You didn't address the question, though... :whistling:

 

[stevehawk]

It says I can have 5 drinks in 2 hours and be well under the limit. That means I can get preped before I go out!

Is it okay for me to post in here? Or should I contact shawk and get the a-okay??? ???

Hmmm... smells like bait to me... :whistling:

Nah, shawk - I'm just funnin' like Dennis was... :love:

You didn't address the question, though... :whistling:

Not sure what you're referring to with the Dennis comment.

In answer to your question, though... I am of the opinion that you should never post unless you have something pertinent to add. Your post above does not meet that standard. So... in this example... IMO, it was not okay for you to post.

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[ggiese]

It says I can have 5 drinks in 2 hours and be well under the limit. That means I can get preped before I go out!

Is it okay for me to post in here? Or should I contact shawk and get the a-okay??? ???

Hmmm... smells like bait to me... :whistling:

Nah, shawk - I'm just funnin' like Dennis was... :love:

You didn't address the question, though... :whistling:

Not sure what you're referring to with the Dennis comment.

In answer to your question, though... I am of the opinion that you should never post unless you have something pertinent to add. Your post above does not meet that standard. So... in this example... IMO, it was not okay for you to post.

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This, shawk:

CasaSoho said, "...Although, you can't deny it is possible to drink responsibly, have 2-3 brews and register a .10. ...."

Brother, in my opinion, "responsibly" drinking 2-3 beers will NEVER get you to a .10% BAC!!! Without extenuating circumstances (thus removing the "responsibly" ), there is virutally no way to get to a .10% with that many beers. ???

Floyd T.

Unless you weigh about 50 pounds, having nothing in your stomach and slam those bad boys down in less than 15 minutes... :whistling:

But I love those chuckleheads that know more than I do - and they can't wait to tell me their tale of woe about being "harassed" by the police when they had two beers and were arrested for DUI... :laugh:

Does anyone know more than you?

But he followed up with this:

Oh come on GG. You know we are all good. :love: Just a little fun. And I am counting on you coming to the BBQ herf. I don't bait and flame. Unless I am fishing in the river behind my house. Bait the hook and flame the cigar.

I think Rod knows me better than to try in start a fight. I am a lover not a fighter.

Which makes it all better...

Except - it doesn't seem to fit in with your opinion about what should be posted in the thread.

I guess we all should take a lesson from this. Dennis, buddy, I accept your apology but your bro wants you to knock it off... Sorry....

Let me know if I Should send a copy of what I intend to post for your approval or if it is just better for me to just post it out there and hope it meets your approval. Thanks!

 

[stevehawk]

whatever...

 

[theHatguy]

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Which makes it all better...

Except - it doesn't seem to fit in with your opinion about what should be posted in the thread.

I guess we all should take a lesson from this. Dennis, buddy, I accept your apology but your bro wants you to knock it off... Sorry....

Let me know if I Should send a copy of what I intend to post for your approval or if it is just better for me to just post it out there and hope it meets your approval. Thanks!
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Sorry Steve, I will stop now. My BAD

 

[ggiese]

whatever...

Not sure if that's okay or not - kinda on pins and needles here, shawk... I'm thinking this is tacit approval - at least I hope so... I'm going in - here I go....


Ray - you may consume 5 drinks in two hours, but I think a popular myth is that you can continue to consume 5 drinks in that same two hour period. Unfortunately, it's a stair step kind of effect. You do not lose the 5 drinks you've previously consumed - in reality maybe only one drink (or less). So to continue on - even most likely one drink - will cause you to be over the legal limit.

One of the biggest problems with this is that the first thing to go when drinking is judgement. I'm convinced that is why most think they're okay when having "2 drinks" (which seems to be a very common response). Either they forgot they had more than 2 beers, or they think that's a good response to give. I even have people beg me to do the balance tests again because they know they'll pass them a second time...

But again - the issue of drinking and driving is only focusing on what specific part of the whole problem. It's like saying you don't like the fact you have a fever when you have the flu. It's a symptom, not the root of the problem.


Thanks for letting me post, shawk, I think. Please let me know if this was okay... Thanks...

Oh... Sorry Scot - didn't mean to toss out another winkie smilie. I'll try and limit them in the future...

 

[Wurm]

Come on guys...

 

[ggiese]

Sorry Steve, I will stop now. My BAD

I'm just wondering... Do we gotta add in something like "<apologies to all for the threadjack>" into our post if it is off topic? Like you did in your post, shawk - and probably Dennis should have in his post. And of course in my couple of posts in this thread which didn't have to do with the topic... I don't have a Miss Manners ruling on this - unfortunately, she doesn't seem to address it.

And I think this is a "chicken or egg" kinda question - but I really think it needs addressing...

Okay - If we are told to stop posting, can we post an apology and a promise to stop posting? Or do we have to immediately stop posting and refrain from the temptation to apologize to others in the thread for being off topic, if deemed so by the thread originator? I mean - I really want to apologize to the person I may have offended (and I can certainly do that in PM), but what about the community at large - or others I could have offended that I may not know about...

Thanks!!!


(just to be on the safe side for the time being):

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[bfreebern]

Where am I?

 

[ggiese]

Where am I?

Please, Brandon - for at least the time being until we get a ruling on this - add:


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Come on guys...

Wurm - at the sake of sounding condescending, so please don't take it this way - you probably should add it as well:

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[SamClemmons]

It says I can have 5 drinks in 2 hours and be well under the limit. That means I can get preped before I go out!

Is it okay for me to post in here? Or should I contact shawk and get the a-okay??? ???

Hmmm... smells like bait to me... :whistling:

I guess you should prolly start whining about this too now.

Sorry... got my two's mixed up.

NA

 

[grateful1]

Where am I?

Dunno, but the colors are fantastic!

 

[Devil Doc]

Alright I've had enough. The human liver can metabolize 1oz of 195 proof ETOH an hr. I don't care who you are, or how much you weigh. Consume more than that and you get drunk.

Doc.

 

[CoventryCat86]

whatever...

Looks to me like George has a legitmate concern with your perceived double standard shawk. I think you owe the community an explanation rather than a flippant "whatever"

Alright I've had enough. The human liver can metabolize 1oz of 195 proof ETOH an hr. I don't care who you are, or how much you weigh. Consume more than that and you get drunk.

Doc.

Doc, isn't body weight a factor here? My guess is that a human liver in a 200 pound person can metabolize more alcohol than a liver in a 100 pound person since the heavier or larger person has a larger liver.

 

[ggiese]

Alright I've had enough. The human liver can metabolize 1oz of 195 proof ETOH an hr. I don't care who you are, or how much you weigh. Consume more than that and you get drunk.

Doc.

Well, not exactly true - at least from my knowledge, understanding and experience. In human studies, most experts agree the effects of alcohol do not start to show signs of impairment until the BAC is somewhere around .08. Having had the opportunity to consume various quantities of alcohol over a period of time, and measuring my BAC, I can tell you I believe that to be true based upon my experience.

So I'd argue, at least theoretically, one can consume some alcohol without being "drunk".

Doc, isn't body weight a factor here? My guess is that a human liver in a 200 pound person can metabolize more alcohol than a liver in a 100 pound person since the heavier or larger person has a larger liver.

Actually, Bill - what Devil Doc says is roughly true. The size of a persons liver has a neglible effect on how someone metabolized (or actually "oxidizes") alcohol. I'm sure there are some slight differences, but for all practical purposes, the figure Doc quotes is pretty much my understanding as well..

I am told, however, that woman have a tendency to oxidize alcohol at a slower rate than men. So there appears to be at least a gender difference.


BTW - shawk - please let me know via PM or e-mail if this is okay and germaine to the thread. I believe it is, as it appears to have relevance, but it is slightly off topic from your original post. Certainly I don't think you were intent upon having a disucssion about the oxiditization of alcohol in the liver. I'd be more than happy to curb my further posts, if that is what the community feels is necessary.

 

[stevehawk]

Drunk drivers are just bad.

 

[Lee]

Do I have to be drunk to post in this thread?

:sign:

 

[Devil Doc]

In order for the average male to reach .1, the figure that I'm most familiar with, that person would need to consume more than 1 oz. of ETOH in an hr. That's about 3 beers. If that avg. person never drank more than 2 beers an hr. he could drink all day and stay below .1

Doc.

 

[ggiese]

It says I can have 5 drinks in 2 hours and be well under the limit. That means I can get preped before I go out!

Is it okay for me to post in here? Or should I contact shawk and get the a-okay??? ???

Hmmm... smells like bait to me... :whistling:

I guess you should prolly start whining about this to now.

NA

Oh, no, Neal - I wouldn't even THINK of reporting this post. Rod is WAY too busy to be bothered by things like this. Can you imagine what it would be like if everyone started reporting these kinds of posts? I'm sure he'd be going crazy!!! You'd have to be pretty damn thin skinned to make that report.

Besides - I'm sure shawk was only funnin' me like Dennis was...

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In order for the average male to reach .1, the figure that I'm most familiar with, that person would need to consume more than 1 oz. of ETOH in an hr. That's about 3 beers. If that avg. person never drank more than 2 beers an hr. he could drink all day and stay below .1

Doc.

Kinda sorta, Doc... You're roughly right...

It depends on their size, obviously - because that increases the volume of fluid in the body (alcohol just LOVES water). And it depends on how quickly you're able to oxidize the alcohol.

Also - it depends on how quickly the alcohol is taken into the body - whether or not you had a significant meal prior to drinking has a HUGE effect on this (because the digestion process slows down the amount of fluids from the stomach reaching the small intestine).

I'd really hate to have someone believe they can have 2 drink and hour and be fine. I think generally you're correct, but each person should really know and understand their limits before assuming that to be true.

Otherwise I'd sugget you follow CigarSarge's advice - if you drink anything at all, don't drive...

 

[Devil Doc]

I never do. Learned my lesson a long time ago. I was hammered one night and got stopped by the VT. State Police. He asked me to take the breath test. I blew a .04. I believe the machine was broke. If he'd of asked me to get out of the car I'd have fallen down. I took this a sign from Providence and haven't driven even after one drink since.

Doc.