"Leavin Sam in the Cold" Pass

[Toaster]

Just to let you guys know- the box DID in fact go out today, DC# 0303 2460 0001 5055 5784

On its way to Bob. Look out brother- here it comes.

Honestly, I can't handle any more of the post office until AFTER christmas :lookup:

I thought someone asked in the thread how much shipping was? It cost me $10 for 2-day priority mail with d.c.....fyi.

Peace,
Toaster

 

[SweetMelissa]

I wanted to say that I am reallly happy with what has been going on with the pass...I know I may not have said my Thank You's enough, but your good doings have not been unnoticed or appreciated. I have a few things going on at the moment that seem to monopolize my time more than I like...But you all are doing outstanding! And you know a ton more about cigars than lil ole me...So thank you SOO much for participating--You all know that you are in my heart :love:

 

[SamGuss]

I think some people got the wrong impression on my "adivce". As I have said before, but will reiterate, when this pass started the 1926's were not readily available and hard to find. It was this reason I even gave her the cigar for her pass to begin with. It is still a hard cigar to find, if you take into account original releases. Since the pass has started though it is the season and a rush of 1926 have hit the market, which in some people's mind has de-valued the 1926 in the pass. It has also come to my attention that some people have become upset over my advice, for which I do apologize for but from my personal chats with a couple of people no one was overly bent that wasn't directly involved - which means I am not worrying about it.

It has also came to my attention now by 2 sources that the 1926 has become damaged during the pass, which of course devalues it even more. So at this point I am "letting go" of it. Next person who wants it just take it and don't worry about getting it approved. I have never been considered "stingy" with my cigars in a pass or a trade before and I am sure not going to become that now, despite what I realize a couple of you may feel.

In the future I would ask that if you have a problem with making a win-win trade in or out of a pass, with me or anyone else, talk to the person, find out the facts and how they value a particular cigar. After all that is the point of sharing, trading and collecting cigars - what are they worth to the individuals in question.

Anyway I am really stepping away from this pass now even under an advisory role since some people have gotten upset over my small involvment. My apologies to those who felt I overstepped my bounds or made this pass a little less than perfect. From what I have seen, this has been one of the best passes I have seen and would hate to mar that in any way.

Until later, happy smoking,

Sam

 

[tschoon]

Wow, someone must have been upset! Even though I am fairly new to this board and passes, I have always understood and respected the concept of take/puts of equal or greater value. If it was take the best, put witha lesser stick, those at the end, as well as the host (hostess), would have nothing left to enjoy but so-so smokes.

I personally have not read any post during this pass where anyone seemed that upset but then again, maybe I missed it since I wasn't looking.

Thanks for your assistance in helping Melly with this pass Sam. I have yet to get the sticks but I do look forward to it. Being almost last does have it's advantages!

 

[vewyphishy]

Sam, I know you were just looking out for your stick (that sounds nasty. gah, I've been hanging around you and Melly in the chatrooms too long ). It's all good. Everyone just needs to smile and remember we're talking about the wacky tobaccky, err... regular plain ole cigars. Yep.

It's time to move on. The box has moved on, and so should the discussion. There was a little bit of a storm as the pass came through Texas. Hey, we ain't called Hellraisers for nothing, you know. All kidding aside, it's been a good pass... and continues to be. Let's just enjoy the calm the rest of the way home.

 

[kurtcigar1]

Well said Fishy!

:thumbs:

 

[Toaster]

I said I wasn't going to get involved in this... but my big mouth is about to get me into trouble- so here goes...

Let me start with- This is not a flame. But I would like to point out one thing, cigar passes are supopsed to be more about fun than anything else. I personally don't know every detail about all that has transpired- but I will say this, if someone wanted ANY stick from ANY pass, and was willing to replace that stick with a comparable one- That to me that is a good trade, more than fair. To replace a $20 domestic with a $18 ISOM, to me is a good trade. The ISOM will always have greater value BECAUSE THEY ARE HARD TO GET.

There are times I go into my local cigar shop, and they are out of LFD Chisels, that doesnt make them a rare cigar. They'll get more in- and when they do- I can DRIVE there and buy it.

I completely agree that the situation is over, the discussion is over, and its time to move on. No disrepect intended for anyone, most of all Melly or Sam. But I doubt anyone will take the 1926 after all the fuss thats been made of it. And Sam, You're right- As the last person to have the box- the cigar is pretty badly messed up- along with several others... The lack of a proper humidification device in there has really taken its toll on the cigars

I enjoyed the pass, and I'm sure the previous players did also- and the future players will too. But my point to it is, its a cigar pass- if someone doesn't want to trade a certain cigar- don't put it in the pass.... That's my advice and $0.02

:thumbs:
Toaster

 

[lucasbuck]

I'm not in this pass but have been following it as it has been very entertaining. I just want to clarify one thing after reading the last few posts. For the record a dry cigar is not necesarily lost. Most can be brought back to life with proper care.

Great pass Melly. I'm glad you all are having fun with it

 

[Wascal]

The ISOM will always have greater value BECAUSE THEY ARE HARD TO GET.

Just want to disagree on this one point. They aren't any harder than anything else, you just order them.

 

[gibu]

Hey come on guys, its not like we even need to talk about it really. Its one stick and its no big deal. As the owners of the stick Sam and Melly are the only ones that know its worth. I also doubt that any comming in the stores are going to be original releases. If Sam says rare then rare it is. If you don't have something of equal rarity (ISOM's are not rare, they make thousands every day, just harder to get for people lucky enough to live in civilization) then just move on, its just one stick.

I personally am not sure what would be of equal rarity, my smokin what ever I get my hands on as soon as I get my hands on it is what makes the ones that do survive rare.

Sams a good guy and had no intention of stepping on anyones toes. If we all had the same pespective on cigars they could just start making about 4 or 5 different ones and quite making all the others. If you don't agree then just leave it and move on, no big deal. I left it, I knew I had nothing of equal rarity. The Siglo 6's I have, all I had to do was send my credit card number to a Swiss guy and they sent me some right to my house in just a few days. Easy.

Just so nobody forgets......... Cigars are fun!!
:thumbs:

 

[SamGuss]

Toaster your right but fail to take into account rarity. Now stay out of this unless your the one who wanted to make the trade in the box pass. Then it becomes your business. My advice was asked for and stands, an original release 1926 Maduro I felt was worth more than a readily available if expensive ISOM. Oh and for the record ISOM's are NOT that hard to find. I have been trying to remain nice about this whole affair but after your post I am going to say a little piece of my mind...

The people who are getting themselves involved in this and getting "me" personally upset is not someone who made the offer and it was declined but people like you who had no stake in it in the first goddamn place. Now where I come from things of a trade or pass goes like this: win-win or no deal. If both parties can't agree they have a winning stake then no trade should be done. I trade, pass, etc. in this fashion and works VERY well - I doubt you can find too many people who will ever say they didn't feel like they came out ahead in a trade, likewise I would say the same thing for every trade I have made. So stick your opinion back in your pants unless you are dealing with a trade or a pass that directly involves you on the spot when it comes to dealing with me.

As for you and anyone else who has a problem with how I handled the cigar in question, you can get over it, or bring it up to me in PM instead of on my wife's pass. ANY more discussion on this subject will be taken up with me in private. The next person I see post on this topic on this thread will definately never be in one of my passes, be considered for a trade, bomb or anything else. Understand? Enough is enough, if you still have problems then come see me in PM or in chat - I am hardly hard to find.

Sam

 

[gibu]

Ok....... So much for cigars are fun..........

 

[SamGuss]

Ok....... So much for cigars are fun..........

Sorry Gibu - yours and Wascal had made your comments while I was still typing away at my response

Sam

 

[DaveWF]

bring it up to me in PM instead of on my wife's pass.

Now hold on a second..... when did you two get married?!?!?!?!?

Congratulations!

Dave

 

[SamGuss]

bring it up to me in PM instead of on my wife's pass.

Now hold on a second..... when did you two get married?!?!?!?!?

Congratulations!

Dave

Common law And it is a lot easier for me to type "wife" when I am pissed than fiance, significant other, etc. etc.

So you caught me, we're not "married", she isn't my wife (common law) but rather my fiance

No, do not ask for a date :sign:

Sam

 

[Phil]

OK- 1st off Toaster....*shakes his head* a Original RELEASE PAM BRO!!! U ever had one? Wait the better question is have U ever seen another one?? Bro, U can't just go online and order one of those. A siglo VI is an email and a 2 day courier service away.......and it is sounding to me like I have a original release PAM 26 on the way now.

But the only problem I have with this is that advice was asked.......AND that advice was taken (even thought the cigar is still on it's way to ME, the advice was taken) and the person who took the advice says and I quote "It's all good" So bro I hate so say this but where do you get off making these kinda waves over something that you know nothing about? U must understand that Original Release stuff is VERY hard to come by and most of the time the only way to get something of that caliber is to find a private collector (which IS the case here) and work out a trade for it. Even then you will be paying a LOT more than it is worth.


Now as far as the cigars drying out, WHY HASNT ANYONE PUT SOME SORT OF HUMIDIFICATION DEVICE IN THERE. WTF??? No one has helped U out before?? When involved in a pass you should be worried about the integrity of the cigars as a WHOLE not just the ones that you picked out, and you shouldnt just say to yourself WHO CARES and pass it on cause you won't have to grab from those cigars anymore. Folks we are cigar smokers, YOU SMOKE UP 5 BUCKS or more everytime you light up (save the dog rocket smokers) SO QUIT BEING SO CHEAP and get over it. Please someone put something in there on the next stop. I am last and although I will, It won't do much good just from me to Melly.


As for the fact that the cigar is now damaged, that is a sad sad day and I hope it is still smokable as I am still hoping to get my hands on it. I don't care if it has a cracked foot, I personaly have never had an Original Release in my hands and I would love to give it a shot regardless, so let's take the best care of it we can (IT IS STILL A CIGAR) and try to get it back to Me/Melly if you guys don't think it is worth it.

Stuff like that needs to be said in PM toaster, cause if you say it on the threads then people have to take the time to post long boring rants about problems that should not even exist or if the do exist then it should be behind the curtains.


Can we all get back to having fun? Cause I have been standing outside my mailbox for a longtime now and I am getting rather wet from this rain.

NOW GET IT TOO ME!!!


BTW: I love you guys! :love: :love:

 

[Toaster]

Ok....... So much for cigars are fun..........

Sorry Gibu - yours and Wascal had made your comments while I was still typing away at my response

Sam

Well based on this statement- I guess your post was directed solely towards me? I'm sorry you felt threatened and/or insulted. Like I said in my post, I enjoyed the pass, and being involved it in. I thought I was pretty clear in the post it was not meant to belittle you, melly or anyone else. Sorry you took it that way.

:thumbs: Toaster

 

[gibu]

Just so you know Phil, it does have one of those Climmax bean bag things in there and when I noticed the damage I put a digital hygrometer in the bag to test things out. I think the damage was just a little from rubbing against another stick wrong at some point. Its near the head, and didn't look like a very big deal at all when I had it. I wouldn't have thought a second about it except for it being such a rare stick. I think it'll be VERY smokeable for you if it hasn't gotten worse.

 

[Phil]

Just so you know Phil, it does have one of those Climmax bean bag things in there and when I noticed the damage I put a digital hygrometer in the bag to test things out. I think the damage was just a little from rubbing against another stick wrong at some point. Its near the head, and didn't look like a very big deal at all when I had it. I wouldn't have thought a second about it except for it being such a rare stick. I think it'll be VERY smokeable for you if it hasn't gotten worse.

Thanks for the update bro! I really appretiate it. I will take this smoke if it is not pipe tobacco fellas so lets try to take special care of it!


thanks

 

[SweetMelissa]

Be nice boys Everyone just wants to have fun on the pass and since it is mine noone can argue *smiles* :love:

Hugs to you all

melly the angel :love: