Gotta love bowl season

[JHolmes763]

Bill-your facts are a bit skewed. BSU has earned the right to compete with anyone in the country for anything. We aren't however, being given those chances.

I agree. That game was awesome, btw. I only watched the last quarter, but it was the best one, of course.

I'll admit that even a playoff system isn't going to be perfect. But there's a huge difference in the #9 guy whining because he didn't make it in compared to the fiascoes you can have at the top with a bunch of no loss or one loss teams. I would be upset to be left out at #9 but not nearly as upset as going defeated and never getting a chance. No comparison there.

Florida and the SEC got lucky this year because the Ohio State - Michigan game was the last one in the season. Michigan got screwed because it was the last game. Yeah, they didn't put up a good show against USC (who I don't like but got screwed too because of a single loss) and we already saw them play Ohio State, but it was still a good team denied their chance just because of how their schedule was played.

---John Holmes...

 

[stevehawk]

I was fortunate enough to have watched the '84 Orange Bowl between Boston College and Miami. It was a magical moment when when Flutie tossed his Hail Mary in the final seconds to win the game. Until last night, it was the best game I had ever watched personally. But last night... OMFG! :0

The Boise State - Oklahoma game last night takes the cake, easily, as the best game I've ever watched. As a BSU fan, it was even more special... talk about your highs and lows! Man!!!

If you did not see this game, you owe it to yourself to seek it out and take a look!

 

[CoventryCat86]

Oh great, now we have to hear about how Boise State deserves a shot for a National Championship.

Are you kidding me? I don't care if you play no one and make it in on the "wild card" slot, you deserve the chance to be in a playoff and beat the other teams that made it there, too. You have no idea what would happen when any two teams show up. Everyone has their guess and knows what's probably going to happen, but no one knows.

This BCS system is seriously flawed and needs to go the fuck away.

No, I'm totally serious, Boise State didn't play any Top 25 teams and doesn't deserve a shot at a National Championship anymore than Central Michigan does, they won their conference and won their bowl too. At least they played tougher teams like Michigan and Kentucky for their nonconference games and they didn't win those. If Boise State wants to be taken more seriously, they should join a tougher conference and/or play some better teams for their nonconference games.

Bill-your facts are a bit skewed. BSU has earned the right to compete with anyone in the country for anything. We aren't however, being given those chances.

:laugh: :laugh:
How can FACTS be "skewed?" Boise State didn't play any Top 25 teams during the regular season, that's a fact and there's no denying that.

Boise State hasn't earned the right for anything and doesn't deserve anything either.

They don't play any tough games and their current national ranking of 9th is a gift.

 

[CoventryCat86]

Florida and the SEC got lucky this year because the Ohio State - Michigan game was the last one in the season. Michigan got screwed because it was the last game. Yeah, they didn't put up a good show against USC (who I don't like but got screwed too because of a single loss) and we already saw them play Ohio State, but it was still a good team denied their chance just because of how their schedule was played.

---John Holmes...

Oh please... It makes no difference if Michigan and Ohio State played each other in the beginning of the season or at the end. The bottom line is Ohio State BEAT Michigan and it makes no difference if it happened in September or November. If it happened in September, Michigan would NEVER have been #2 near the end of the season so your argument just defeated itself. :laugh:

Michigan and USC "screwed" themselves by LOSING, plain and simple. Don't blame their inadequacies on the BCS system. That reminds me of kids who can't accept responsibility when they're wrong.

 

[JHolmes763]

So why isn't Florida screwed? They lost also, yet they get a chance to compete for the national championship. They lost to the then #2 (now #10) team in the country and Michigan lost to the #1 team. You can really say that Florida is the better team?

If Michigan and Ohio State had played first and then both went on the rest of the season undefeated, Michigan could have very well worked its way back up to number 2. There's already a one loss team at number 2 (and 3 and 4 and...) so how can you honestly say it wouldn't be Michigan?

No system is perfect, but at least with a playoff, you can point out that you lost to a team that went on to win and there's very little argument, even if it was just a bad day for your team. With the BCS "system" there's nothing but "ifs" and "whys" based upon how the magic beans or tea leaves fell.

---John Holmes...

 

[stevehawk]

Bill-your facts are a bit skewed. BSU has earned the right to compete with anyone in the country for anything. We aren't however, being given those chances.

:laugh: :laugh:
How can FACTS be "skewed?" Boise State didn't play any Top 25 teams during the regular season, that's a fact and there's no denying that.

Boise State hasn't earned the right for anything and doesn't deserve anything either.

They don't play any tough games and their current national ranking of 9th is a gift.

C'mon Bill, why the hate for Boise State? (hey, that rhymes...)

Boise beat Oregon State (currently #24) by a score of 42-14. The fact that they also beat #7 in the Fiesta Bowl yesterday should prove that the #9 ranking is not a "gift".

Props are due, my friend. You can't admit that?

 

[CoventryCat86]

So why isn't Florida screwed? They lost also, yet they get a chance to compete for the national championship. They lost to the then #2 (now #10) team in the country and Michigan lost to the #1 team. You can really say that Florida is the better team?

If Michigan and Ohio State had played first and then both went on the rest of the season undefeated, Michigan could have very well worked its way back up to number 2. There's already a one loss team at number 2 (and 3 and 4 and...) so how can you honestly say it wouldn't be Michigan?

No system is perfect, but at least with a playoff, you can point out that you lost to a team that went on to win and there's very little argument, even if it was just a bad day for your team. With the BCS "system" there's nothing but "ifs" and "whys" based upon how the magic beans or tea leaves fell.

---John Holmes...

Because Michigan ALREADY LOST to Ohio State and Florida has a tougher schedule than USC and lost to a higher ranked team (Auburn who is 10-2) while USC lost to UCLA (7-6) who isn't even ranked.

It's really not THAT hard to figure out...................

I think the "National Championship" title should take into account a team's ENTIRE SEASON rather than the outcome of one game. The present system does that much more so than any stupid "playoff" system which would have us playing college football until sometime in February.

 

[CoventryCat86]

Bill-your facts are a bit skewed. BSU has earned the right to compete with anyone in the country for anything. We aren't however, being given those chances.

:laugh: :laugh:
How can FACTS be "skewed?" Boise State didn't play any Top 25 teams during the regular season, that's a fact and there's no denying that.

Boise State hasn't earned the right for anything and doesn't deserve anything either.

They don't play any tough games and their current national ranking of 9th is a gift.

C'mon Bill, why the hate for Boise State? (hey, that rhymes...)

Boise beat Oregon State (currently #24) by a score of 42-14. The fact that they also beat #7 in the Fiesta Bowl yesterday should prove that the #9 ranking is not a "gift".

Props are due, my friend. You can't admit that?

Oregon State was not ranked when Boise State played them. Why do you say I "hate" Boise State? Why can't you Boise State fans just admit that they aren't National Championship material ?

 

[stevehawk]

Bill-your facts are a bit skewed. BSU has earned the right to compete with anyone in the country for anything. We aren't however, being given those chances.

:laugh: :laugh:
How can FACTS be "skewed?" Boise State didn't play any Top 25 teams during the regular season, that's a fact and there's no denying that.

Boise State hasn't earned the right for anything and doesn't deserve anything either.

They don't play any tough games and their current national ranking of 9th is a gift.

C'mon Bill, why the hate for Boise State? (hey, that rhymes...)

Boise beat Oregon State (currently #24) by a score of 42-14. The fact that they also beat #7 in the Fiesta Bowl yesterday should prove that the #9 ranking is not a "gift".

Props are due, my friend. You can't admit that?

Oregon State was not ranked when Boise State played them. Why do you say I "hate" Boise State? Why can't you Boise State fans just admit that they aren't National Championship material ?

Actually, I do agree with that. I don't agree that #9 ranking is a gift, though.

 

[CoventryCat86]

Actually, I do agree with that. I don't agree that #9 ranking is a gift, though.

Well I do because as I've said before, I believe that if they played an ACC level schedule, the wouldn't be in the top 25 and if they played an SEC level schedule, they wouldn't be bowl eligible.

 

[CoventryCat86]

Louisville lost to Rutgers :laugh: so they don't deserve a shot at the National Championship.

Well, shit, Florida lost to Auburn, so they shouldn't be in it either, no? Why have a game at all, we already have a winner!

This system is seriously flawed. A single loss knocks you out of the possibility of competing for the national championship most time. Smaller schools have zero chance of ever competing for it even if they go undefeated in their "soft" conference. Hell, if they're so "soft", they'll be out in the first round anyhow, so why are you so scared of a playoff against them? Fuck, even going undefeated in a hard conference doesn't get you a chance to compete for the national championship sometimes.

We might as well just flip coins or draw straws than use this system. The harder conferences are generally screwed because they beat each other up and generally ensure each team has at least one loss (SEC, duh), the softer conferences are screwed because they'll never get a chance so no one knows how good they really are (or aren't).

Every other sport has a playoff... it's a matter of time and it's the only right and fair solution.

---John Holmes...

You think "the system is seriously flawed" and I don't, no need to get pissy about it. Just because I disagree with you does not mean I'm "so scared of a playoff system against them." I don't agree with you at all that "it's the only right and fair solution" and so far neither do the people who make those decisions.

 

[KayakinBoy]

I'm an SEC fan and the SEC has NINE teams in bowls this year. :0 I'm also a Penn State fan so I was glad to see them thump Tennessee :laugh: because most of the so-called "experts" said Penn State had no chance to win this one.

You're always raggin' UT aren't ya? :sign:

 

[kiltedcraftsman]

Bill-your facts are a bit skewed. BSU has earned the right to compete with anyone in the country for anything. We aren't however, being given those chances.

:laugh: :laugh:
How can FACTS be "skewed?" Boise State didn't play any Top 25 teams during the regular season, that's a fact and there's no denying that.

Boise State hasn't earned the right for anything and doesn't deserve anything either.

They don't play any tough games and their current national ranking of 9th is a gift.

C'mon Bill, why the hate for Boise State? (hey, that rhymes...)

Boise beat Oregon State (currently #24) by a score of 42-14. The fact that they also beat #7 in the Fiesta Bowl yesterday should prove that the #9 ranking is not a "gift".

Props are due, my friend. You can't admit that?

Oregon State was not ranked when Boise State played them. Why do you say I "hate" Boise State? Why can't you Boise State fans just admit that they aren't National Championship material ?

Agreed. Not this year..

I would point out that you didn't read my original post fully.

I would further point out that Oregon State-and unranked OSU- beat a certain Trojan team AFTER losing to BSU. You do the math.

 

[JHolmes763]

which would have us playing college football until sometime in February.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

 

[CoventryCat86]

which would have us playing college football until sometime in February.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It is.

 

[CoventryCat86]

Bill-your facts are a bit skewed. BSU has earned the right to compete with anyone in the country for anything. We aren't however, being given those chances.

:laugh: :laugh:
How can FACTS be "skewed?" Boise State didn't play any Top 25 teams during the regular season, that's a fact and there's no denying that.

Boise State hasn't earned the right for anything and doesn't deserve anything either.

They don't play any tough games and their current national ranking of 9th is a gift.

C'mon Bill, why the hate for Boise State? (hey, that rhymes...)

Boise beat Oregon State (currently #24) by a score of 42-14. The fact that they also beat #7 in the Fiesta Bowl yesterday should prove that the #9 ranking is not a "gift".

Props are due, my friend. You can't admit that?

Oregon State was not ranked when Boise State played them. Why do you say I "hate" Boise State? Why can't you Boise State fans just admit that they aren't National Championship material ?

Agreed. Not this year..

I would point out that you didn't read my original post fully.

I would further point out that Oregon State-and unranked OSU- beat a certain Trojan team AFTER losing to BSU. You do the math.

I can't make any sense out of what you're trying to say here kilted. You say "Agreed. Not this year.." yet you lay out some crazy logic to refute your own statement as ask me to "do the math" which doesn't make any sense even with a calculator.

I would point out that you didn't read my follow up post completely in response to you because I'd still like to know how my "facts are a bit skewed." In your mind, are they skewed because they are factually incorrect or because you don't want to hear them?

 

[vortex]

This thread and it's continuing arguments are academic at best and inane at worst.

Only a playoff system can settle this issue - period. You NEVER know how two teams will match up until they play. It always amazes me when people are astounded by "upsets". The only thing that is usually upset are the preconceptions that led to erroneous conclusions. IMO :whistling:

Edited for corollary

However, perhaps it is best that there is no playoff system. The onus of the college football bowls should not be focused on who is #1 but on having a good games. They will be dragged into the "real" world soon enough - let them PLAY!

 

[Maggs44]

Only a playoff system can settle this issue - period. You NEVER know how two teams will match up until they play. It always amazes me when people are astounded by "upsets". The only thing that is usually upset are the preconceptions that led to erroneous conclusions. IMO :whistling:

A playoff would be great... if it can be done with only 1 extra game. Use the bowl games as the playoff... but I would suggest 1 important rule; ANY team with blue turf is prohibited from being in the playoff. :laugh:

 

[LilBastage]

This thread and it's continuing arguments are academic at best and inane at worst.

Only a playoff system can settle this issue - period. You NEVER know how two teams will match up until they play. It always amazes me when people are astounded by "upsets". The only thing that is usually upset are the preconceptions that led to erroneous conclusions. IMO :whistling:

Edited for corollary

However, perhaps it is best that there is no playoff system. The onus of the college football bowls should not be focused on who is #1 but on having a good games. They will be dragged into the "real" world soon enough - let them PLAY!

While college football is far from "the real world" it went beyond just letting the youngsters play a LONG time ago. College football is big business and the goal should be to have good games. I think a playoff would give us good games if it were limited to 16 teams. I think if you go beyond that, it could be watered down a bit.

Having said that, the bowls are likely here to stay. They may tweak the selection process again, but there will probably not be a playoff in college football. There is way too much money in these bowl games to just end it. I guess they could still do some bowl games for the teams out of the top 16 in my previously mentioned dream world :laugh: , but even that cheapens the bowls.

College football is big time money to the schools involved. There is no chance that they would do anything to diminish the revenue.

Edit:

Maggs stole my joke while I was typing, but I'm leaving it here for prosperity :sign: :laugh:
By the way, Boise State is a nice story, but there is no way in hades that a team will ever vie for a national title while playing on a blue GD field! :laugh:

 

[kiltedcraftsman]

Only a playoff system can settle this issue - period. You NEVER know how two teams will match up until they play. It always amazes me when people are astounded by "upsets". The only thing that is usually upset are the preconceptions that led to erroneous conclusions. IMO :whistling:

A playoff would be great... if it can be done with only 1 extra game. Use the bowl games as the playoff... but I would suggest 1 important rule; ANY team with blue turf is prohibited from being in the playoff. :laugh:

Don't hate..no one else could pull it off! :laugh: