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[StonyVision]

well im sorry u feel that way, but obvously im not going to be able to change your mind, so i guess we wont be trading. Kinda sad that u feel becuase i pirate softwear im suddnly a bad trader or not worth trading with.

just trying to share my experiance and my belifes and i get prosicuted. ???

Yes, you're just a poor victim. What a moron. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

ok last ur gonna hear from me, sad u people cant see that in growth of manythings theres been the major push by things that are shady, from bootlegging days and so forth

 

[moki]

ok last ur gonna hear from me, sad u people cant see that in growth of manythings theres been the major push by things that are shady, from bootlegging days and so forth

What the hell does this have to do with your personal responsibility for deciding to commit these acts which are wrong, illegal, and harm people? You're just another selfish pimple on the ass of life.

Put down the reefer, learn how to spell, and find your conscience.

 

[cvmfour]

Touchy subject here...I'll be reading and enjoying my popcorn

 

[StonyVision]

ok last ur gonna hear from me, sad u people cant see that in growth of manythings theres been the major push by things that are shady, from bootlegging days and so forth

What the hell does this have to do with your personal responsibility for deciding to commit these acts which are wrong, illegal, and harm people? You're just another selfish pimple on the ass of life.

Put down the reefer, learn how to spell, and find your conscience.

well the spelling thing is just a low blow, and what dose it have to do with my personal acts which are illegal, personally I believe that its just as evil to have a billion dollar corporation that out sources to programmers in India who get paid 5 dollars a day. And they turn around sell the ****er for $70 and then cry cuz some people are smarter than them and figured out how to hack there new doom 3. so instead of taking in 1.2 billion they take in 1.1 billion, cry me a river. As for selfish whose truly the selfish one? I see it as a game if ur product is good enough to buy people will, if its not they won’t. Hell look at the RIAA, standing up for the artists, too bad the artists don’t see a single dime from what ever the RIAA ever makes in law suits. Please my point in regarding the bootlegging days is were forcing a change in the software industry because no one else will. Just like the bootleggers did. And as i said before dont confuse us, were a select group really, not all the other people on kazaa who are trually just getting it because there cheap.


oooh the another thing, majorty of what i go after are movies, and im gonna keep at it because those mother ****ers are just plain greedy, 6 bucks for a god damn bucket of popcorn, man if i take a chick on a date to a movie, i dont even wanna make out i wanna watch the damn movie, thing ends up costing $40 for 2 people :angry: . talk about greedy

 

[MonkeyK]

well first of all who do u think are the heavy gamers who spread how good stuff is, the people who made gamepro used to pirate and as for free stuff i totally agree, anything thats worth anything is free, or sharewear.

While almost all crackers are probably gamers (and therefore probably most of the crowd you hang out with), and gamers tend to tell people what they think are good games, I do not think that it necessarily follows that crackers make the gaming industry's demand for fast computers.

Regarding good software, what are you saying. At first you said that "anything worth anything is free", which is odd considering you tell us that you've been pirating for 5 years (why do it if anything worth anything is already free).
Now you are saying free or shareware, even if this were true, these are not the same thing. Or developed by people who used to pirate, which is a good thing, but has nothing to do with the problem of pirating (or are you saying it's OK because it teaches people how to be better developers).

How do you think the ex-pirates (who sell their software) feel about their work being pirated?

 

[moki]

well the spelling thing is just a low blow, and what dose it have to do with my personal acts which are illegal, personally I believe that its just as evil to have a billion dollar corporation that out sources to programmers in India who get paid 5 dollars a day.

You're just exposing your cluelessness. Ahh, where to start?

First of all, you're trying to justify bad behavior by pointing out other bad behavior. Argumentative fallacy -- keep your straw men in the corn field.

Secondly, for every $1 US companies spend on foreign workers, they make $1.30 -- and since the vast majority of the companies in the US are publicly owned, that's not money that "greedy corporations" snatch up, that's money that mom and pop get in their 401K. It also allows them to employ more highly paid workers here in the US.

Please see the current issue of The Economist for reference.

And they turn around sell the ****er for $70 and then cry cuz some people are smarter than them and figured out how to hack there new doom 3.

Contrary to popular belief, hacking software is not difficult, and you do not need to be particularly intelligent. You just need to be a bottom-feeder.

so instead of taking in 1.2 billion they take in 1.1 billion, cry me a river. As for selfish whose truly the selfish one? I see it as a game if ur product is good enough to buy people will, if its not they won’t. Hell look at the RIAA, standing up for the artists, too bad the artists don’t see a single dime from what ever the RIAA ever makes in law suits.

You know, you're right! Companies don't employ people like your mother and father. People don't have money invested in their stocks for retirement money. Corporations don't subsidize healthcare coverage for your average Joe in this country. The damned corporations are just greedy, they make money sucking it out of sheeple, and bury it in the ground. Is that it?

And by the way, SCREW the honest people who have to pay more because developers have to spend time on copy protection schemes, and less money is made per product because people like you are ripping 'em off. Hey, using your rationale, insurance fraud is fine too, because those damn greedy companies again...

(and again, yet more nonsense about justifying bad behavior by pointing out the bad behavior of others)

Please my point in regarding the bootlegging days is were forcing a change in the software industry because no one else will. Just like the bootleggers did. And as i said before dont confuse us, were a select group really, not all the other people on kazaa who are trually just getting it because there cheap.

I'm in the software industry. You're not "forcing" anything except time wasted on copy protection schemes, and forcing developers to price software higher to keep in business. Congratulations.

oooh the another thing, majorty of what i go after are movies, and im gonna keep at it because those mother ****ers are just plain greedy, 6 bucks for a god damn bucket of popcorn, man if i take a chick on a date to a movie, i dont even wanna make out i wanna watch the damn movie, thing ends up costing $40 for 2 people :angry: . talk about greedy

Yes, yes, it's terrible. Movie companies ALWAYS make money on movies, right? And only greedy actors are employed in the production of a movie, right? Give me a break -- do you have ANY CLUE how many people depend on money from the movie industry? I'm not talking about the stars who are going to get paid no matter what, I'm talking about people like grips, set workers, etc., the kind of people who are the first to get cut when money is tight.

Your whole mentality is "it's too expensive, so I'll just steal it instead, and feel justified about it" -- which is infantile and selfish. If something is too expensive, DON'T BUY IT. You are not owed anything. You have no right to have something just because you want it.

 

[MonkeyK]

StonyVision, your posts indicate my earlier post is correct. You are just trying to justify what you already know to be wrong.

Why?

Is it really the indignation that they can charge "so much"? Or is it simple convenience? Most software is not outrageously expensive, $20 for a DVD (most are available for less than this) doesn't seem like that much to me.

Are you equally outraged that a good auto mechanic can charge over $100/hour?

 

[StonyVision]

oh my sad friend moki, first of all look at the studies, ever since piracy began prices have lowered historically simply showing how little u know. Not to mention it helps the creators since. Thus is why people are out right releasing there music for free on I tunes. Secondly hacking software IS VERY difficult. If it were every one would do it, and simply copying a dvd is nothing to hacking the cd copy protection. Read more studies my friend, see ur thinking the way business has historically worked. As for economists yea there doing such a good job, wow look at how this country is booming. Even though were still in a recession. As for ex-pirates feel about there work being pirated they expect it are please because they know there stuff is getting out there. And to think that all companies handle there stuff over seas is good because they want to strengthen the economy is a joke. Simple point of truth the economy being lows is that American currency has been diminishing compared to the euro. This has been an argument over many years between analysts and has been repeatedly proven that the rise in price for movies as software has no relation the piracy. Or did u miss the latest law suit in which the recoding industry lost and had to pay out $4 to every one who bought certain cd’s because of price fixing claming the rise was because of profit loss over piracy.

By ur logic smoking Cubans is hurting people because it takes away ur business from local legal company’s producing cigars and ur hurting those poor legal company’s and all those people who depend on selling there legal cigars.

But I am willing to admit I see ur point to an extent, how ever to deny the fact that in majority software makers are just as bad as us is just plain ignorant. I mean how many companies take advantage of the copying and made it available for the mass public to push copy? we in the real scean didnt make it, we didnt make p2p either, we keep our stuff private. which is why theres crap on kazaa. heh i guess i come to the conclusion that everything was all good untill the mass public starting doing it. When it was our select few we did push the companys in directions too go, that cant be denied. Like i said its almost all shady if u trually take a good look at it, its just were u stand....

 

[moki]

StonyVision, your posts indicate my earlier post is correct. You are just trying to justify what you already know to be wrong.

Why?

Because his brain and moral compass are so fried from all of the reefer. Between that and playing stolen video games and watching stolen movies, he has no time to be employed at anything other than flipping burgers at BK.

Thus he's resentful that the things he wants, he can't afford... yet somehow has the money for a luxury hobby like smoking and enjoying fine cigars. Amazing, isn't it?

It can be summed up with one word:

ME!

 

[StonyVision]

StonyVision, your posts indicate my earlier post is correct. You are just trying to justify what you already know to be wrong.

Why?

Is it really the indignation that they can charge "so much"? Or is it simple convenience? Most software is not outrageously expensive, $20 for a DVD (most are available for less than this) doesn't seem like that much to me.

Are you equally outraged that a good auto mechanic can charge over $100/hour?

yes i am outraged thats why i work on my own stuff, and i never said the dvd at hand. he asked for a good discussion regarding all piricy, i thought id provide, and the thing is we dont dabble with dumb crap like a dvd, or takeing some ones pics or art, we go after stuff like adobe photo shop that they charge over $500 for because they know its mostly for commercial use. So simply piss on the individual who wants to get a start in graphics, i garuntee u with my life that they could simply cut the price of that by 1/3 and still make massive profit. As for movies we go for ones still in theaters, and i own about 100 dvd's of em that i liked.

 

[moki]

oh my sad friend moki, first of all look at the studies, ever since piracy began prices have lowered historically simply showing how little u know. Not to mention it helps the creators since.

You, sir, are a moron. Either that or you'll ignore the facts to make yourself feel better. I'm in the industry, I think I know what's going on.

Secondly hacking software IS VERY difficult. If it were every one would do it, and simply copying a dvd is nothing to hacking the cd copy protection. Read more studies my friend, see ur thinking the way business has historically worked.

Nonsense. All hacking takes is some decent tools, and a knowledge of assembly language. Big deal. Any monkey can reverse engineer something that's already been created. Don't fool yourself, what may seem like rocket science to you is CompSci 101.

And to think that all companies handle there stuff over seas is good because they want to strengthen the economy is a joke. Simple point of truth the economy being lows is that American currency has been diminishing compared to the euro.

Your complete lack of knowledge is amusing. You do realize that the strength of a currency has nothing whatever to do with the job situation? Indeed, currently, what is wanted is a gradual decline of the US dollar, for two reasons: 1) it eases our debt burden and 2) it makes imports cost more, which results in more money spent on home-made products, reducing the current account balance deficit.

You are in the deep end of the pool without your water wings, you're going to drown in your own ignorance soon. Seriously man, you're utterly CLUELESS on every issue you've raised, and have demonstrated a profound lack of understanding on basic economics.

Economists are HOPING for a continued gradual decline in the dollar relative to the Euro. Indeed, if anything, the decline in the dollar is HURTING Europe, not the US. Because we buy fewer things from them, and are less likely to travel there. Have you taken a look at the GDP growth figures for the EU sector lately? Pretty anemic compared to the US, isn't it? Looked at the unemployment figures in, say, France and Germany? Both are over 10%... a far cry from the 5.6% in the US. Open your narrow-minded, selfish little brain and get a clue before you talk.

I'm SO glad for this thread, because it's outted you as a selfish ignorant moron, and probably saved many people the displeasure of dealing with you.

 

[StonyVision]

StonyVision, your posts indicate my earlier post is correct.  You are just trying to justify what you already know to be wrong. 

Why?

Because his brain and moral compass are so fried from all of the reefer. Between that and playing stolen video games and watching stolen movies, he has no time to be employed at anything other than flipping burgers at BK.

Thus he's resentful that the things he wants, he can't afford... yet somehow has the money for a luxury hobby like smoking and enjoying fine cigars. Amazing, isn't it?

It can be summed up with one word:

ME!

oh my cocky friend first of all that’s a joke im my siggy, second of all did u not forget im a network security specialist. And do u know how I got the job, because of my vast experience with computers and piracy. By doing such u gain solid knowledge about computers and networks. It gave me a chance to learn what i needed to know but count afford yes, that why i do support it. And because of my experience with products if pirated ive used them and recommended them to buy at work because of the quality of the product.

 

[StonyVision]

so moki we buy less from them eh? is that why our trade deficit is so high? and what business are u in?

 

[moki]

oh my cocky friend first of all that’s a joke im my siggy, second of all did u not forget im a network security specialist. And do u know how I got the job, because of my vast experience with computers and piracy. By doing such u gain solid knowledge about computers and networks. It gave me a chance to learn what i needed to know but count afford yes, that why i do support it. And because of my experience with products if pirated ive used them and recommended them to buy at work because of the quality of the product.

one word: TOOL

I'm done with you; you've proven yourself to not even be worth debating -- please continue to wallow in your own ignorance. As I mentioned, you're done as far as I'm concerned; others of course will make up their own minds.

 

[StonyVision]

and lastly i ask u, if its so wrong than how come the EFF, has gained so much support and has been so effective in fighting the RIAA?

 

[BACCHUS]

so moki we buy less from them eh? is that why our trade deficit is so high? and what business are u in?

Stoney:

Moki is right. Get a clue. Take an economics course and trouble us no more.

Take care,

Bacchus

 

[StonyVision]

bah i give up, u ask for a debate, i gave u one, if u don’t like what i have to say than don’t, if u think im dumb for believing that allot of the software producers are not doing it for the people but for the $$$. than so be it. If u think im a joke because i justify bad behavior by the fact of the people im doing it to are committing bad behavior to others and our legal system is defined by these injustices on top on injustices fine. And if u believe im dumb because of economic trends even though u never argued our economy is in a recession stilllllllllll that’s ok. Think im a dumb **** if u want but i will not have my name as a good trader Besmirched. allot of people in this world are dumb and break a law in one way or another, dosent mean there not good to there word.

 

[moki]

bah i give up, u ask for a debate, i gave u one, if u don’t like what i have to say than don’t, if u think im dumb for believing that allot of the software producers are not doing it for the people but for the $$$. than so be it.  If u think im a joke because i justify bad behavior by the fact of the people im doing it to are committing bad behavior to others and our legal system is defined by these injustices on top on injustices fine. And if u believe im dumb because of economic trends even though u never argued our economy is in a recession stilllllllllll that’s ok. Think im a dumb **** if u want but i will not have my name as a good trader Besmirched. allot of people in this world are dumb and break a law in one way or another, dosent mean there not good to there word.

Right, someone with your moral compass & ignorance just exudes trust and reliability. Sorry man, plenty of great guys here I'd prefer to trade with. Others can make up their own minds.

 

[dixieland_conjunction]

oh my sad friend moki, first of all look at the studies, ever since piracy began prices have lowered historically simply showing how little u know. Not to mention it helps the creators since.

You, sir, are a moron. Either that or you'll ignore the facts to make yourself feel better. I'm in the industry, I think I know what's going on.

Secondly hacking software IS VERY difficult. If it were every one would do it, and simply copying a dvd is nothing to hacking the cd copy protection. Read more studies my friend, see ur thinking the way business has historically worked.

Nonsense. All hacking takes is some decent tools, and a knowledge of assembly language. Big deal. Any monkey can reverse engineer something that's already been created. Don't fool yourself, what may seem like rocket science to you is CompSci 101.

And to think that all companies handle there stuff over seas is good because they want to strengthen the economy is a joke. Simple point of truth the economy being lows is that American currency has been diminishing compared to the euro.

Your complete lack of knowledge is amusing. You do realize that the strength of a currency has nothing whatever to do with the job situation? Indeed, currently, what is wanted is a gradual decline of the US dollar, for two reasons: 1) it eases our debt burden and 2) it makes imports cost more, which results in more money spent on home-made products, reducing the current account balance deficit.

You are in the deep end of the pool without your water wings, you're going to drown in your own ignorance soon. Seriously man, you're utterly CLUELESS on every issue you've raised, and have demonstrated a profound lack of understanding on basic economics.

Economists are HOPING for a continued gradual decline in the dollar relative to the Euro. Indeed, if anything, the decline in the dollar is HURTING Europe, not the US. Because we buy fewer things from them, and are less likely to travel there. Have you taken a look at the GDP growth figures for the EU sector lately? Pretty anemic compared to the US, isn't it? Looked at the unemployment figures in, say, France and Germany? Both are over 10%... a far cry from the 5.6% in the US. Open your narrow-minded, selfish little brain and get a clue before you talk.

I'm SO glad for this thread, because it's outted you as a selfish ignorant moron, and probably saved many people the displeasure of dealing with you.

That was like a wet dream for someone with an economics degree :thumbs:

Thanks again Moki

Cheers,
Dixie

 

[cvmfour]

Damn Moki! Tell it like it is. I'm really impressed with your rebutles. I've got a new respect for you my friend :thumbs: