Fruits of Castro's Soil Pass No.1

[modo22]

T:  HdM Epicure Epesciale MLO OIC 11
P:  Montecristo No. 2
 

It is incredible the differences you find while researching some of these in this pass.  One source has this as a 4% over put and another has it at 17%.  Crazy, but I think it is fine after looking up a few more.

 

[Gern Blansten]

 

T:  HdM Epicure Epesciale MLO OIC 11
P:  Montecristo No. 2
 

It is incredible the differences you find while researching some of these in this pass.  One source has this as a 4% over put and another has it at 17%.  Crazy, but I think it is fine after looking up a few more.
 

 
 
Agreed!  Compared to a pass with NC's, this was more difficult.
 
Here are the numbers I was working with:
 
T:  Partagas Shorts LBO NOV 12 - $5.41
P:  RASCC OGA MAR 12 - $5.06
 
T:  Bolivar Corona Junior OGA MAY 12 - $5.60
P:  Montecristo No. 4 - 6.51
 
T:  HdM Epicure Epesciale MLO OIC 11 - $9.67
P:  Montecristo No. 2 - $10.62

 

[Brickhouse]

 
 
Agreed!  Compared to a pass with NC's, this was more difficult.
 
Here are the numbers I was working with:
 
T:  Partagas Shorts LBO NOV 12 - $5.41
P:  RASCC OGA MAR 12 - $5.06
 
T:  Bolivar Corona Junior OGA MAY 12 - $5.60
P:  Montecristo No. 4 - 6.51
 
T:  HdM Epicure Epesciale MLO OIC 11 - $9.67
P:  Montecristo No. 2 - $10.62
 

 
Thanks for posting that, it certainly sheds some light on the subject.
 
My admitted "limited" research has the takes at roughly the same price but the puts at:
 
RASCC - $8.01
 
Monte 4 - $6.92
 
Like I said, the Monte 4 isn't a huge difference, being the low cost of both it's easy to get a relatively high percentage off.  I'd be curious to see what others have the RASCC at.

 

[Brickhouse]

Gern and I just had a good chat session.  Good convo.
 
Through communication we....he....figured out I was using prices on RASSC, rather than RASCC.
 
So I need to adjust my thoughts on that.  I see no issue there.  Additionally, after sharing some source info and giving me a better perspective on multiple sites, I can see the Monte 4 being within reason as well.
 
So to sum up....after chatting with Gern and working through some things, I have no issue with the 2 areas I was concerned with.
 
I'm good with all Ps and Ts.

 

[Gern Blansten]

Gern and I just had a good chat session.  Good convo.

 
I don't use the IM feature often but that was a very nice conversation.  Thanks, Wyatt!

 

[ironpeddler]

Guys, maybe we should average the prices out. Take all of the prices you find and add the all together and divide by the box quantity times the number of prices you found.
 
Let's say it a box of 25 cigars and you found four prices online...
 
$200.00
$225.00
$195.00
$185.00
-------------
$805.00
 
Divide that by 100 (4 boxes of 25) = $8.05 a stick
 
Seems like the easiest way. What do you guys think?

 

[Brickhouse]

Guys, maybe we should average the prices out. Take all of the prices you find and add the all together and divide by the box quantity times the number of prices you found.
 
Let's say it a box of 25 cigars and you found four prices online...
 
$200.00
$225.00
$195.00
$185.00
-------------
$805.00
 
Divide that by 100 (4 boxes of 25) = $8.05 a stick
 
Seems like the easiest way. What do you guys think?

 
I think that's as reasonable a solution to this pricing issue as can be suggested.  I try doing that when I provide my feedback, but sometimes I can't find enough sources....just my lack of source knowledge.
 
I can agree to that though.

 

[NASTY]

Guys, maybe we should average the prices out. Take all of the prices you find and add the all together and divide by the box quantity times the number of prices you found.
 
Let's say it a box of 25 cigars and you found four prices online...
 
$200.00
$225.00
$195.00
$185.00
-------------
$805.00
 
Divide that by 100 (4 boxes of 25) = $8.05 a stick
 
Seems like the easiest way. What do you guys think?

 
I've been trying to do that as I followed this along. 
 
What ever happened to that cigar price reference site from years back?

 

[Gern Blansten]

Guys, maybe we should average the prices out. Take all of the prices you find and add the all together and divide by the box quantity times the number of prices you found.
 
Let's say it a box of 25 cigars and you found four prices online...
 
$200.00
$225.00
$195.00
$185.00
-------------
$805.00
 
Divide that by 100 (4 boxes of 25) = $8.05 a stick
 
Seems like the easiest way. What do you guys think?

 
Gary, what I've been doing is a variation of what you suggested.  I'll set up an Excel sheet with the sticks I'm taking on top, my puts below them, a minimum of three vendors to the right and a column for the average stick price.  I'll then do the math to figure out the per stick price (box price divided by amount of sticks), enter that and let the sheet do the rest.  Color code the matches.  I wish I were stronger with formulas then I could simplify it even more.
 
I'm not the brightest bulb in the marquee so I need to see it all to make any kind of sense out of it.

 

[Tall Paul]

 

 


T:  HdM Epicure Epesciale MLO OIC 11
P:  Montecristo No. 2
 

It is incredible the differences you find while researching some of these in this pass.  One source has this as a 4% over put and another has it at 17%.  Crazy, but I think it is fine after looking up a few more.
 

 
 
Agreed!  Compared to a pass with NC's, this was more difficult.
 
Here are the numbers I was working with:
 
T:  Partagas Shorts LBO NOV 12 - $5.41
P:  RASCC OGA MAR 12 - $5.06
 
T:  Bolivar Corona Junior OGA MAY 12 - $5.60
P:  Montecristo No. 4 - 6.51
 
T:  HdM Epicure Epesciale MLO OIC 11 - $9.67
P:  Montecristo No. 2 - $10.62
 


Jon
 
This is right around what I came up with as well for these three and they look great to me nice job.
 
I knew the price swings were going to be a bitch which is why I didn't set a cap on over/under because of this struggle. I don't want to see a guy miss out on a stick because of a current price increase or decrease. 

 

[Tall Paul]

T:  Por Larranaga Encantos RE Asia Pacifico 2010 URG DIC 10
P:  Ramon Allones Superiores LCDH OGA MAY 11

 
I'm curious what others think about this one since I originally said RE EL for RE EL but then Kris brought up LCDH and they fall into the same group as well. So what say the group?
 
Paul

 

[Gern Blansten]

Paul, the pass arrived today. Everything looks fine and I stuck a hygro in the box to check things out. I am going to replace the box as it is getting a bit ratty and I have one at home.

 

[Tall Paul]

Paul, the pass arrived today. Everything looks fine and I stuck a hygro in the box to check things out. I am going to replace the box as it is getting a bit ratty and I have one at home.

Thanks brother for the effort!

 

[Brickhouse]

T:  Por Larranaga Encantos RE Asia Pacifico 2010 URG DIC 10
P:  Ramon Allones Superiores LCDH OGA MAY 11

 
I'm curious what others think about this one since I originally said RE EL for RE EL but then Kris brought up LCDH and they fall into the same group as well. So what say the group?
 
Paul

Paul,

I looked at this one as well and researched it best I could.

I personally have no problem with the RE for LCDH.

Just my opinion.

 

[Tall Paul]

T:  Por Larranaga Encantos RE Asia Pacifico 2010 URG DIC 10
P:  Ramon Allones Superiores LCDH OGA MAY 11

 
I'm curious what others think about this one since I originally said RE EL for RE EL but then Kris brought up LCDH and they fall into the same group as well. So what say the group?
 
Paul

Paul,

I looked at this one as well and researched it best I could.

I personally have no problem with the RE for LCDH.

Just my opinion.

Thank you for the help brother.

 

[Light this!]

Guys, maybe we should average the prices out. Take all of the prices you find and add the all together and divide by the box quantity times the number of prices you found.
 
Let's say it a box of 25 cigars and you found four prices online...
 
$200.00
$225.00
$195.00
$185.00
-------------
$805.00
 
Divide that by 100 (4 boxes of 25) = $8.05 a stick
 
Seems like the easiest way. What do you guys think?

 

 
Remember, every cigar has to be priced out to at least 3 online vendors to establish it's average price. This is a somewhat easier task with NC cigars. The issue with CC is that you have the full blown retail vendors and the tax free zone vendors...and the guys in between. Here in lies the game...what handful of vendors should be used to create the average price per cigar? Maybe that's a call for the Pass Host to make. 
 
While this is Paul's Pass, it's his to do as he pleases...but remember, like in Life itself...there are some basic rules to be followed.  :thumbs:
 
 
YMMV...
 

 
Gary I like both of your ideas. Paul maybe you should pick 3 or 4 vendors that have decent stock for us to use on pricing. This way we can be a little consistent when trying to price cigars out as there are a ton of vendors with prices all over the board as we all know. This is something that can be chosen behind the scenes via PM to everyone. 
 
 
 

 

T:  Por Larranaga Encantos RE Asia Pacifico 2010 URG DIC 10
P:  Ramon Allones Superiores LCDH OGA MAY 11

 
I'm curious what others think about this one since I originally said RE EL for RE EL but then Kris brought up LCDH and they fall into the same group as well. So what say the group?
 
Paul
 

 
Paul I have had a slight change of heart on these from my initial thoughts. My opinion is that I think that it's ok to trade these for EL/RE, LCDH's and in certain cases with regular production cigars as Jonesy pointed out but I think that it would be appropriate with cigars that have a little age on them to make up for being a LCDH release. Now this is my reasoning for why I feel this way about them especially post 2011 LCDH releases. This is out of Trevors website:
 
[SIZE=large]La Casa del Habanos Exclusives[/SIZE]

La Casa del Habano is an internationally registered trademark, property of the Corporation Habano S.A.; to development an International Chain of Franchises.

La Casa del Habano are models for new or rebuilt stores around the world, to a standard set by Habanos S.A., while still maintaining the capacity to adapt itself to the characteristics and culture of the country in which it functions.

The first international La Casa Del Habano began operating in Cancun, Mexico in 1990.

Initially the releases were standard productions cigars produced in unlimited numbers. 

Since 2011 a new policy of releasing special La Casa Del Habano Exclusives (La Casa Del Habano Exclusivo) in limited numbers was established.
 
 
 
Jon I'm ok with your P&T's but not totally convinced on this one and here is my reasoning:
 
T:  Quai d'Orsay Panatela POS JUN 06
P:  Punch Petit Coronas del Punch OPM MAR 09
 
Both are discontinued and price was about even but the age on the QdO Panatela gives it an edge. So my question is does this trade make the pass better and I would say no just on the age factor alone with everything else being even. Now this opinion has been formed after reading all the discussion on the other pass.
 
Again just my opinion and would love to hear some feedback.

 

[Tall Paul]

Kris that one was sticking out to me too but struck out on finding values. Maybe Jon can shed some light on it and his thoughts.

Kris we will come up with a few decent venders and start a pm with everyone since you and Gary are giving some great advice and it is much appreciated.

Paul

 

[Gern Blansten]

Kris has brought up an excellent point about leaving the pass better then you receive it. Admittedly, I am out my depth when it comes to aged and DC'd cigars, CC or NC.

My goal was to get as close as I could on these points: DC, price and age. The age was my sticking point too, but since I was unsure if three years would be significant, I proposed the trade.

Would be no problem to pull it if its not appropriate. It would be cool to hear more about people's views on age for future reference.

 

[Tall Paul]

It would be cool to hear more about people's views on age for future reference.

I agree and think this proposed p/t we could learn a bit more from as everything is close but the years. Is 3 really that significant?

Paul

 

[Tall Paul]

Anyone else have any input on this?
 
Help would be appreciated.
 
Paul 

 
 
T:  Quai d'Orsay Panatela POS JUN 06
P:  Punch Petit Coronas del Punch OPM MAR 09
 

 
 
 
I believe this is the only one left in question and the one I need some help on. All others look great unless I missed something.
 
Paul