***Busted***

[JHolmes763]

Are we going to bang the "Tropicana Sun Tan Girl'?

I fixed that for you and the answer is YES! (at least the girl that's legal!)

 

[cohibasurfer]

But you're KING! You've slowly been making this clearer and clearer through the years. Your membership is increasing, but the old timers that helped you establish your KINGDOM are slowly disapearing, or have you noticed? I didn't mean to crap in your coenflakes. I just stated my opinion on the logo, no need to get all up and mighty King Rod.This was mearly a topic for discussion, heaven forbid! Lock it then.

My mother used to call this stomping my feet and pouting...

LOL.... your still sour about alterboy! Stop pouting Lil John... stop pouting.

 

[Rod]

I too have to agree with the language factor. Yes, we're self moderated, but we also promote an upscale/friendly environment. Personally, I don't want to see any foul language carelessly used. Think before you post... All of the threads get indexed into search engines, so keep in mind that someone searching for something may result in a CP thread being one that they view, in which their first impression of CP will be based upon. Just keep that in mind, and again think before you post.

I am not saying Michael can't bring issues to the table. Everyone is free to suggest ways to improve the community - I've always made it a point to include everyone's opinion; this is nothing new. If a member who joined yesterday has a suggestion, I want to hear it. If he has an agenda, he'll be shown the door.

 

[JHolmes763]

LOL.... your still sour about alterboy! Stop pouting Lil John... stop pouting.

You're just jealous I don't rub you the right way!

 

[SamClemmons]

Ridiculous.
The "glory days" Michael was talking about were the first couple years here where Michael and others were figuring out how to do things. How passes, trades and sales should be handled, what things should be allowed and what things shouldn't. Everyone who is here now benefit from what Michael and many others contributed to this site. To intimate that his opinion is no more valid than someone who has been here 30 days, or 6 months or a year is not only naive but completely wrong. I don't agree with him on this but to say he should follow a dictum set forth precisely for newbies is the real "hogwash". Let's face it, there are varying degrees of membership here. Longevity while on its face doesn't bestow special privilege it certainly indicates a commitment to this board and should, at the very least, give that member a greater voice.

NA

An "us against them" philosophy is seldom wise.

You obviously didn't read what I said... unless you read it and didn't understand it.

Where'd you get "us against them" Yoda?

NA

 

[CigarStone]

Neal has a great point.

Longevity does matter. If some guy who has been here for 3 days came in and started posting like Wilkey he'd likely be run out of here pretty quickly as some kind of "know it all" blowhard. If he came in and statred posting like Neal he'd be run out as some kind of "internet tough guy" who is trying to rule the roost without having the juice to do so.

( The following is bolded so everyone can see I"m NOT bashing Wilkey or Neal)
We all respect Wilkey's and Neal's opinions and well thought out posts because they have been here for a length of time and have proven over that time to truly have the best interest of the board in mind when they post. The same can be said of cohibasurfer.

Longevity does matter. Not as much as what one does with that longevity, however, you can't really do anything over time without having the time.


As far as the original post goes, I think some of the avatars and sigs are a little overboard, but I just don't look at them. It's the same kind of thing that I posted the other day about language. I find some of the language used by some here to be rather offensive. They're free to use it as I am free to not read their posts after discovering it. I think self moderation is likely the best option and it's the option I've taken.

Alan:

I understand your point here and that you're not picking on Wilkey or Neal but there is a big difference between the two scenarios you presented. Wilkey's posts are "NEVER" anything but helpful and informative and if a newbie emulated that I think people would say to themselves "wow, the guy seems to know a great deal, but alas he is a newb" On the other hand (not singling out Neal or Michael) a newbie coming off as an internet tough guy would get run in a heart beat.

Yes they are. However, many of them have to do with the way things are done around here. There have been several suggestions made by Wilkey that have become part of how this site works. If a 3 day newb came in and posted the same stuff, he be told to not try to change the way things are done and leave if he doesn't like it (as he should be). We take Wilkey's suggestions to heart because we know by his participation here over time that he truly has the best interests of all of us in mind.

That's all I'm saying.

I fail to see how that is anything but helpful and informative? We may in fact be saying, or at least thinking, the same thing?

 

[Rod]

Opinions vary!

But you're KING! You've slowly been making this clearer and clearer through the years. Your membership is increasing, but the old timers that helped you establish your KINGDOM are slowly disapearing, or have you noticed? I didn't mean to crap in your coenflakes. I just stated my opinion on the logo, no need to get all up and mighty King Rod.This was mearly a topic for discussion, heaven forbid! Lock it then.

Michael,

I beg to differ. I'm "King"? And I've been making it clearer and clearer through the years? Thanks for the laugh. Not quite sure how I've become "King", but I would definitely like to hear more! Please do back up your statement with some facts. This is by far the most lenient cigar forum out there, and I have never come across as an arrogant person. Your statement about "old timers disappearing" is something I've heard since early on. I take no offense to your opinion of the logo, I simply felt it was necessary that I explain the history behind it as it's pretty clear that you were confused about it being obscene.

Those who helped to establish CP and those who continue to move it in the right direction is a GROUP EFFORT my friend, both new and old members are to thank.

Again, please do clarify how I've been "making it clearer and clearer through the years". I'd love to hear more. Is it because I don't believe in little cliques and would rather see everyone treated fairly? I sure am interested in hearing your thoughts...

Rod
"The King"

 

[SamClemmons]

I don't see anyone posting X Rated material, nor do I see any sigtags or avatars which even boarder on being X Rated. The purpose of CP is to allow everyone to have a good time, and not be so constrained with all of the "PC" BS we have to deal with on the outside.

I am curious as to why a few people on CP find the logo offensive. Is your mind that far in the gutter? Let me explain our logo, as I really don't think everyone quite understands it... This is CigarPass - a community based around trading and passing cigars. Back when I started working on the site (back in 1999), I wanted a logo that would represent who we are and what we're about. The lady sitting on the flying cigar is just that, a lady sitting on a flying cigar. She's not straddling it nor is she doing a "monica" with it. Get it? Cigar Pass = Passing cigars to one another. The cigar is traveling, and the lady is flying on it... Does this make sense now? I have failed to see where people find the logo offensive; all I can say to that is that your mind really has to be in the gutter to find the CP logo offensive. I'm a big fan of WWII/Military nose art, and I wanted CP to have that retro artistic look. In no way did I want anything less than a classy design to CP. Maybe we should ban pictures of witches flying on brooms for Halloween, since after all, that too could be construed as offensive, right?

I believe in letting people express themselves as long as they don't cross the line. Sure, there are a ton of avatars/sig pics with beautiful woman in them. I would school your daughter on exactly what "porn" really is, because CP is not even close to being called a "porn" site.

Two options - 1.) Turn off sigtags and avatars like others have suggested, or 2.) View CigarPass when you know you're daughter won't be sneaking up on you. CigarPass is not a kid-friendly site, technically speaking you're supposed to be 18+ to participate since we're a tobacco related community.

As far as the poll goes, I voted "NULL".

Hope this clarifies my stance on the issue.

Opinions vary!

But you're KING! You've slowly been making this clearer and clearer through the years. Your membership is increasing, but the old timers that helped you establish your KINGDOM are slowly disapearing, or have you noticed? I didn't mean to crap in your coenflakes. I just stated my opinion on the logo, no need to get all up and mighty King Rod.This was mearly a topic for discussion, heaven forbid! Lock it then.

He's on a roll boys, hide the women and children.

NA

 

[NullSmurf]

I voted to muzzle the boobs a bit. I do like to read CP at work and dread a visit from HR. I just can't risk it here, so I've turned off avatars and sig tags. There are some really clever avatars and sig tags that I'm just missing out on. I might give the ad thingie for FF a try, though. I'm grateful to the Brothers who post NSFW warnings.

At home though, even the pole in the hole is fine.

 

[geldor1]

The lady sitting on the flying cigar is just that, a lady sitting on a flying cigar. She's not straddling it nor is she doing a "monica" with it. Get it?

Well damn.... not that I see anything wrong with either of those... :whistling:

 

[MiamiCubano]

I don't see anyone posting X Rated material, nor do I see any sigtags or avatars which even boarder on being X Rated. The purpose of CP is to allow everyone to have a good time, and not be so constrained with all of the "PC" BS we have to deal with on the outside.

I am curious as to why a few people on CP find the logo offensive. Is your mind that far in the gutter? Let me explain our logo, as I really don't think everyone quite understands it... This is CigarPass - a community based around trading and passing cigars. Back when I started working on the site (back in 1999), I wanted a logo that would represent who we are and what we're about. The lady sitting on the flying cigar is just that, a lady sitting on a flying cigar. She's not straddling it nor is she doing a "monica" with it. Get it? Cigar Pass = Passing cigars to one another. The cigar is traveling, and the lady is flying on it... Does this make sense now? I have failed to see where people find the logo offensive; all I can say to that is that your mind really has to be in the gutter to find the CP logo offensive. I'm a big fan of WWII/Military nose art, and I wanted CP to have that retro artistic look. In no way did I want anything less than a classy design to CP. Maybe we should ban pictures of witches flying on brooms for Halloween, since after all, that too could be construed as offensive, right?

I believe in letting people express themselves as long as they don't cross the line. Sure, there are a ton of avatars/sig pics with beautiful woman in them. I would school your daughter on exactly what "porn" really is, because CP is not even close to being called a "porn" site.

Two options - 1.) Turn off sigtags and avatars like others have suggested, or 2.) View CigarPass when you know you're daughter won't be sneaking up on you. CigarPass is not a kid-friendly site, technically speaking you're supposed to be 18+ to participate since we're a tobacco related community.

As far as the poll goes, I voted "NULL".

Hope this clarifies my stance on the issue.

Opinions vary!

But you're KING! You've slowly been making this clearer and clearer through the years. Your membership is increasing, but the old timers that helped you establish your KINGDOM are slowly disapearing, or have you noticed? I didn't mean to crap in your coenflakes. I just stated my opinion on the logo, no need to get all up and mighty King Rod.This was mearly a topic for discussion, heaven forbid! Lock it then.

He's on a roll boys, hide the women and children.

NA

NOT hiding (from) the women/children is apparently what started this whole thread.

 

[johncarbaugh]

I have yet to see any avatars or pictures that you can not see just out on the street or at a beach. Anything worse has been clearly labeled.
Leave it as is this is an adult site and we are all adults. If you are offended don't look turn them off. All the PC crap is killing this world god forbid someone get offended.

 

[Strayvector]

<--- Time for a new avatar.

 

[SamClemmons]

<--- Time for a new avatar.

Does it just sit there Ray or is it supposed to do something?

NA

 

[Infinity]

<--- Time for a new avatar.

LMAO!

Who are you? I have only ever seen you when I'm lying on the floor looking up. :laugh:

Brian

 

[MiamiCubano]

<--- Time for a new avatar.

Does it just sit there Ray or is it supposed to do something?

NA

I was wonderin' the same thing Neal; hell, I even clicked on the thing to see if anything would happen.

 

[Devil Doc]

I think the cp logo is sweet. Nothing offensive about it at all.


I'm going to get a hat and wear it around .

...and he's from NH. We all know what puritans they are. Hell, it's a sex crime to take a leak on the side of the road.

Doc.

 

[SamClemmons]

<--- Time for a new avatar.

Does it just sit there Ray or is it supposed to do something?

NA

I was wonderin' the same thing Neal; hell, I even clicked on the thing to see if anything would happen.

Me too. All ya get is his fuggin' profile.

NA

 

[TMarquis]

Is the sexy, cartoon broad straddling the phallic cigar - the symbol that is the Cigar Pass logo - included in your concerns? Is that to be removed as well?

I can vaguely see your point and am inclined to respectfully disagree more than agree. On the whole, a majority of the dames posted are done so within the confines of a single thread, usually with NSFW nomenclature. In terms of avatars and sig pics - to place such confines on those is a bit over the top. Yes, this is a cigar forum, so do we eliminate all tangental topics? Sports? Poker? Libations? Its a slippery slope and where to draw the line becomes increasingly tenuous as one travels down a road such as you suggest. To set such confines becomes difficult in that who then decides what is acceptable? Is it the proverbial "I know it when I see it" test? Or do we, once chicks are eliminated/banned, then start banning anything else someone finds offensive - like a picture of Matt R. as an avatar? :laugh: Kidding aside, I trust you can see the point - the next stop is to ban/restrict other things which may be funny or amusing to some in a childish, frat-boy type of way.

Most of us are adults here and if there are concerns about who is going to be peering over your shoulder while you view the forum, then the options are relatively simple - pick a more discerning time to view the forum, disable sig pics as the wise Wilkey has already pointed out, or we do away with everything other than cigars and cigars only. The sound, reasonable option seems pretty clear to me.

I'm not going to agree or disagree with this thread, as I feel I'm too new to have a say in anything that goes on with this site. But, this post reached ridiculous levels, you're definately straining at a gnat, my friend. 9 out of 10 forums have nudity/porn/lude pics rules that you must adhere to, which has absolutely nothing to do with topics on hand, even if those topics were to stray into the most sexually extreme subject, unless of course, you need pictoral explanations.

If those pictures were done away with, it wouldn't impact the topics on hand in the slightest, neither the would it limit the wide array of subjects we have on hand. It makes no difference to me either way, I'll turn off the pics of they create a problem with my specific viewing locations.

 

[CigarStone]

One disturbing point that (I think) has been missed is this.........

Is your 15 1/2 year old daughter allowed to watch TV?