3 Pricks, Giddy Asshats & a Flake pass

[louich]

 

I see the point in CP 1st class prick commment.

Anyhow CJ called the shot so if he's okay with it..why not I guess no?

 

Thanks for noticing I'm a first class prick!


Not being a prick though, just making my point. You can't bitch about something and then have the same people turn around and love it two days later just because it's a lower valued cigar....

Read the last couple pages of this pass

Oh I read them I just had nothing brilliant to add to the debate. The prick comment was more of a flower I was giving you you know ...lol

 

[Bsneed51]

Anejo, opus, woam and btl were rare before but not lately. My opinion anyway.

I agree about the Opus, Anejo, and WOAM.  Not sure I agree about the BTL.   My local is one of the biggest Fuente accounts there is, and they are lucky to get two boxes of BTL a year.    With that said, I think the BTL is the most overhyped, overpriced, average high end Fuente there is.  It's a freaking WOAM with a fancy wrapper.   I wouldn't trade any high end Padron for one, however that goes back to my point earlier about having to take personal opinion out of passes.  
 
Ultimately CJ says it's a good trade, so it's good with me.  I only brought it up to make sure CJ took a good long look at the trades himself, and wasn't just influenced by everyone saying everything looked good.  

 

[fjldo]

Are we having fun yet?? 
 
Ok.  Going to give this another attempt.  Several observations/challenges on my part:
 
1. 90% of cigars in my humidors are readily available.
2. Over half of cigars on CJ's list are not readily available.
3. Matching availability/price point vs. not readily available/price point was a bit of a challenge for me.
 
See what you think of these match ups:
 
T: MF LB 1922 Corona Gorda ($8.50?).....................P: Nestor Miranda Special Selection Danno 2012 ($9)
 
T: Angelenos Robusto ($9.50-multiple sites with same price point)........P: Illusione Epernay La Vie ($10-$10.50)
 
T: Tatuaje Black Tubo ($14.50).....................P: LP Corona Doble ($15)
 
T: RASS (~$7.40).....................P: Bolivar Royal Corona (~$7.60)
 
Please have empathy;  the skin grafting I required after my last post is still healing!  :sign:
 
Frank

 

[Jonesy]

Don't sweat it, no one was getting on you, we were debating our opinions on how trading should be handled.



Like Gary told me on the phone the other day, a lot of companies are putting out small batch cigar lines now (boutique so to speak) which may or may not be worth a shit. Look at Pete Johnsons stuff. Some swear by him, some hate him, but everything he seems to put out anymore is to make a profit off of limited availability. So, by the old way of doing things, you'd put a premium on those things due to availability. But now, it seems as if the majority are going to smaller batch, limited release/limited availability, cigars.



The reason why rarity is such a hard thing to figure is because everyone has a differing opinion and there is nothing set in stone anywhere.



Prime example...Stradivarius Churchill has a MSRP of $34. I wouldn't allow one to be traded into my pass that I was running. You can get them all day long on CBid for $5 and they're a shitty cigar. Does that mean everyone hates them? No. But it's a clear case of a way overpriced cigar.

 

[fjldo]

Don't sweat it, no one was getting on you, we were debating our opinions on how trading should be handled.



Like Gary told me on the phone the other day, a lot of companies are putting out small batch cigar lines now (boutique so to speak) which may or may not be worth a shit. Look at Pete Johnsons stuff. Some swear by him, some hate him, but everything he seems to put out anymore is to make a profit off of limited availability. So, by the old way of doing things, you'd put a premium on those things due to availability. But now, it seems as if the majority are going to smaller batch, limited release/limited availability, cigars.



The reason why rarity is such a hard thing to figure is because everyone has a differing opinion and there is nothing set in stone anywhere.



Prime example...Stradivarius Churchill has a MSRP of $34. I wouldn't allow one to be traded into my pass that I was running. You can get them all day long on CBid for $5 and they're a shitty cigar. Does that mean everyone hates them? No. But it's a clear case of a way overpriced cigar.

 
Trust me when I say, I wasn't sweating it!  I just had to make light of the situation.  In fact, y'all look like choir boys when compared to the conversation in the NERF thread  :laugh:

 

[Bsneed51]

Are we having fun yet?? 
 
 
See what you think of these match ups:
 
T: MF LB 1922 Corona Gorda ($8.50?).....................P: Nestor Miranda Special Selection Danno 2012 ($9)
 
T: Angelenos Robusto ($9.50-multiple sites with same price point)........P: Illusione Epernay La Vie ($10-$10.50)
 
T: Tatuaje Black Tubo ($14.50).....................P: LP Corona Doble ($15)
 
T: RASS (~$7.40).....................P: Bolivar Royal Corona (~$7.60)
 
 
Frank

I think they all look good.  

 

[Bsneed51]

And please, no one take anything I say personally, unless I address you directly (and if I have an issue with you I will address you directly).   I'm just like Jonesy in trying to point out things, and pass along information.
 
 
Besides, if you invite a prick into the pass, guess what?  You're stuck with a prick in the pass.  :laugh:

 

[wkoti]

I couldn't agree more Jonesy, my last pass we had a very generous member that proposed a $9 Tatuaje Little Boris take for a $20 2005 GOF Carlito. He had only purchased it for half and was just trying to pass along his good fortune. Oh course I immediately said "oh hell no" because of the huge over put and we then also had a debate about how it should fly. Funny, some of those very same members have weighed in from that pass. You can't please everyone, I will absolutely try but I know it won't happen.
 
And thank you for bringing it to my attention Brent, I didn't take a long look at it at first. You are right on both points, it is a fairly rare Fuente and it's also completely overrated. I said it was good to go and I still think that just now for different reasons. Thank you again.
 
Frank, your P/Ts look pretty good to me. Does anyone have anything to add about his proposal?

 

[CMontoya79]

They look good to me, but I'm just a lurking asshat!

 

[bluue13]

Looks good to me too.

 

[louich]

Looks good to me from here !

 

[wkoti]

Frank, I think you're good, send 'em on their way! Jeff, you're up dude!

 

[fjldo]

Allright guys, thanks! Playing in my golf club's member-member this weekend. Lots of golf, beer and cigars. I'll send it out at some point this weekend.

 

[2K6TBSS]

Sorry guys, I was dealing with doctor stuff all day yesterday.  I will get some P/Ts up today for discussion.

 

[2K6TBSS]

Here are my proposed P?Ts...
 
T: Four Kicks EL 2012 - $9      P: Tatuaje Anarchy Apocolypse - $8.95
T: Illusione 888 Maduro - 9.50    P: My Father El Hijo - $9.75
T: HdM Epicure Especial - $10  P: Bolivar Corona Gigantes - $10.75
T: Padron 1964 - $16                P: Tatuaje La Verite Churchill - $16

 

[ilikefishes]

Nicely done Jeff. I hope 1 off those puts makes it to me. But I won't hold my breath.

 

[Jonesy]

Nicely done Jeff. I hope 1 off those puts makes it to me. But I won't hold my breath.

I hope you're not talking about the BCG!

Nice P/T's!

 

[ilikefishes]

Nicely done Jeff. I hope 1 off those puts makes it to me. But I won't hold my breath.

I hope you're not talking about the BCG!
Nice P/T's!

No, never. That thing is a dog rocket. Who would want that?

 

[Jonesy]

That's why I brought it up. I can't believe it was even thought about being a put!

 

[wkoti]

Looks pretty good to me Jeff, you short sterile troll!