Phlicker said:
Blue Dragon said:
Phlicker said:
Cory,
I have my proposed P's and T's posted in the FNG thread for your approval. Let me know.
-Mike
I just got a break at work and responded in the thread. Please LMK if you have any questions.
Thanks,
- C
Cory,
Just saw the post. I replaced the DC #3 with a WOAM because that's what it was put in the pass in exchange for initially, coupled with the fact that the DC Gift Set and the Hemingway Maduros were both Holiday releases.
As far as the Padilla Habano goes, I checked the websites in question and could only find the Habano listed at Holt's. $88.95 for 20 equals about $4.45 a piece, a $0.40 difference in the price of a 3000 ($4.05/each, or $105.30 for 26). I didn't think the difference was that severe, especially considering the fact that I replaced a $8 DCM #5 with a $9 LFD DL Lancero ($180/box of 20...plus, although availability is getting better for some, it's still not a regular production stick, so there's a rarity issue there) and threw in an Opus xXx.
I don't know that I have any other $4.50 sticks on hand that I could trade, so if it's a nay on the Habano, I'll just remove that one. LMK, and I'll get this out in the mail tomorrow. Thanks!
-Mike
Hey Mike,
There are several things in your PM that I would like to address. Please note that these issues tend to come up regularly, and with your permission would like to post this PM exchange in the thread. I would like to do that because I think it would be helpful for other newer members, not that I am trying to call you out or anything.
Concerning the DC#3, you never said where the WOAM came from, just that it is a WOAM. Being from a holiday sampler from (?) might make it a more rare cigar, I'm not sure. Please state where it came from if you want that taken into consideration, else how am I to know?
Concerning "that is what was in the pass initially", this question or statement has been brought up before. I tried to find the reference but had difficulty and ran out of time. Basically it boils down to: a person, we'll call Bob, in the pass decided to put in X cigar that may have been more valuable than Y. That was Bob's choice to increase the value of the pass. Bob may have done it for whatever reason (it was his only cigar in that value range or that he wanted to leave the pass better than he found it), it really doesn't matter. What does matter is that it was Bob's choice to make that play. Now the value of the cigar is X and not Y, so if you want to trade for X cigar, the trade must be of equal value to X and not Y. LMK if that is not clear.
Personally, I don't like to go from just one source. I did see it at Holt's, and it came up a little short int that exchange comparison. A rule of thumb I try to stick by is, for sticks of roughly $3-$7, $.25 difference seems pretty reasonable; for sticks $8 -$14, $.50 difference seems reasonable; for sticks more than $15 it really becomes a judgment call but should still be close. So, I did a search for Padilla Habanos and found them also at 2GuysSmokeShop.com and MrBundles.com. The differences there are $.83 and $.76 respectively. So, it doesn't fall w/in my $.25 guidelines.
Concerning "especially since I replaced an [$8 stick] for a [$9 stick]", each trade must be evaluated on it's own merit. The reasoning for this is that it falls around the many for one category. If more than the one cigar is taken into consideration someone could try to replace 4 $2 sticks for one $8 stick and call it good. In this pass I stated that P's and T's would be one for one, equal value for equal value. Your consideration was not as sever as the example I made, but it starts down a slippery slope that causes lots of problems. So, we just won't even start to go there.
Concerning "and I threw in an Opus xXx", while the power ranger is a great stick, this falls into the category of many for one and I cannot take that into consideration for the trade. Hitchhikers, host bag, etc. while appreciated, are not a requirement of this pass and solely up to the discretion of each individual. What is a requirement is like for like in trade. So don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the gesture.
Concerning "I don't know that I have any other $4.50 sticks", the reason I ask you to list what you are trading for what is because I do not want to presume to know what you have for cigars, nor do I want to try to influence some trade in my favor. I would rather that you do this and we work it out from there. However, I do want to point out that you have an Opus xXx that is worth around $8 or $9. You could move things around and trade the Opus for the Padilla and throw the Padron as a hitchhiker, effectively accomplishing the same thing. Just an idea, but please modify your trade as you see fit.
Whew .. my co-worker just asked me if I was writing a book. Sorry for the length, but these are important issues and have had a lot of thought and previous experience (more than mine) behind them. I hope it helps. LMK how you would like to proceed.
Thanks for being in my pass!!
- C
