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So about tasting...

TheVitaleMob

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As I read reviews and discussions on the board here, I have noticed a trend in the way we describe the tastes that come from our cigars. I notice that we seem to want to pick apart each distinct flavor from the cigar and isolate it in some way; usually in the form of a time frame. I am curious to know if we can stand back and take a more "macro" approach to the taste of a cigar. Now, you obviously can't get away from some flavors like spicy, sweet, chocolatey or earthy, but I wonder if we can look at the cigar as one piece instead of 2, 3, or 4 pieces put together. Can, and have you looked at the cigar as a whole instead of a bunch of little parts?

Thoughts or opinions?
 
I see the cigar as the sum of many parts.

Edit to add:

But my reviews tend to go something like "Wonderful overtones of tobacco with some tobacco undertones"...
 
The problem with that is a lot of cigars change as the cigar burns, so there can be different flavors throughout the cigar and at different times.

But yes, most of the time I smoke a cigar it was good or not good, regardless of the changes, hehe.
 
As I read reviews and discussions on the board here, I have noticed a trend in the way we describe the tastes that come from our cigars. I notice that we seem to want to pick apart each distinct flavor from the cigar and isolate it in some way; usually in the form of a time frame. I am curious to know if we can stand back and take a more "macro" approach to the taste of a cigar. Now, you obviously can't get away from some flavors like spicy, sweet, chocolatey or earthy, but I wonder if we can look at the cigar as one piece instead of 2, 3, or 4 pieces put together. Can, and have you looked at the cigar as a whole instead of a bunch of little parts?

Thoughts or opinions?

Good point. Maybe we could do both, analyze the cigar under a smoking timeline and then as a whole. It would be a bad idea. :angry:
 
I find that I can approach the smoking of a cigar from several different perspectives. On one end is the yardwork/crowded herf smoke. On the other end is the intensely analytical forensic smoke.

In the vast range in between these two extremes, the heart of my smoking experience is much like what Preembargo said. It is also in this range that I smoke most freely, noting discrete flavors usually only when they are clear enough to trigger a sense memory and make the connection to "cherries" or "cocoa" or "seven year-old burnt Madagascar vanilla."

When I go hunting for flavors, that is when I least trust my senses and when I most suspect my expectations will manipulate my perceptions.

I do hear what you're saying though. Do you have any ideas of how we might describe a cigar experience in a macro sense that would be any more meaningful than "tasty, tobacco, liked it."

Wilkey
 
As I read reviews and discussions on the board here, I have noticed a trend in the way we describe the tastes that come from our cigars. I notice that we seem to want to pick apart each distinct flavor from the cigar and isolate it in some way; usually in the form of a time frame. I am curious to know if we can stand back and take a more "macro" approach to the taste of a cigar. Now, you obviously can't get away from some flavors like spicy, sweet, chocolatey or earthy, but I wonder if we can look at the cigar as one piece instead of 2, 3, or 4 pieces put together. Can, and have you looked at the cigar as a whole instead of a bunch of little parts?

Thoughts or opinions?

I think it's both, at least for me. On the one hand there may be the cigar whole, like a Davidoff may be reviewed as a creamy, chewy smoke. That's the overall impression and stays constant from light to nub. However, you also have the undertones and amplifying flavors that tend to change and morph throughout the smoke, this adds depth and body.

The thing with the reviews here is that most people (myself included), for those smokes we write reviews on, are usually trying to develop our palates and our ability to convey what we experience, so the reviews will tend to be more about the later (although searching you will find many instances of the former). What I've slowly come to realize is that a good review (IMNSHO) will address both these aspects.

My 20 Yen....

-K-
 
[thread steal]Don't mean to steal the thread but I will anyway. Great new avatar Wilkey! She is beautiful.[/thread steal]
 
Thanks, Paul! She's a real sweetheart unlike her terror of a big sister. ;)

Wilkey
 
When I 1st started smoking cigars I looked at them with a more "macro" view as either being great, good, ok or shitty. Only as my palate got more accustomed to the cigars I started to pick up more individual flavors. I never really analyzed these flavors until I started to smoke some of the more rare cigars. I felt, due to their rarity, they deserved to be reviewed and shared with all of you. After all, I knew that I would love to see and read reviews on rare cigars as well. When I made this decision, I started to take tasting notes as I smoked these cigars. W/out notes it would be hard to describe it in 2,3,4 or more parts. But when I just smoke to smoke for regular enjoyment I usually look at the cigar w/ a more "macro" view. Sure I may taste many flavors during a smoke but I am more focused on enjoying them rather than anal fucking them like I do in my reviews. So ultimately, a cigar to me is either great, good or shitty. A macro view if you will.

Hope that helps.
 
Sure I may taste many flavors during a smoke but I am more focused on enjoying them rather than anal fucking them like I do in my reviews.


Havent laughed out loud yet from a post on these forums (being a newbie), but that right there is the first one. Today looks like its going to be a good day.
 
I find that I can approach the smoking of a cigar from several different perspectives. On one end is the yardwork/crowded herf smoke. On the other end is the intensely analytical forensic smoke....

Good points.

When I'm writing reviews in my journal I take my time to dissect the flavors and grab the likes and dislikes (smoke, draw, construction). The macro happens regardless of the small nuances; Good/bad/shitty are all things I can pick up on within the first few draws. I could be doing work and still appreciate a good cigar, I just might not acknowledge it that fast. More so, I find it easiest to sort cigars into scenarios and activities I'd be willing to smoke them again when I have taken the initial time to really appreciate the subtleties.
 
When I'm writing reviews in my journal I take my time to dissect the flavors and grab the likes and dislikes (smoke, draw, construction). The macro happens regardless of the small nuances; Good/bad/shitty are all things I can pick up on within the first few draws. I could be doing work and still appreciate a good cigar, I just might not acknowledge it that fast. More so, I find it easiest to sort cigars into scenarios and activities I'd be willing to smoke them again when I have taken the initial time to really appreciate the subtleties.
That's a fascinating approach. The first time I've heard of it but it makes sense. Now that I think of it, certain cigars amend themselves to certain frames of mind and settings. For example, I never smoke HU Sir Winstons or RyJ Churchills unless I have the time and inclination to be contemplative. I often only smoke the Party Shorts, Cohiba Sig I, Trini Reyes when I'm alert and looking for a little sparkplug of a cigar.

Thank you for highlighting this wonderful perspective on smoking!

So what sort of details (environmental, food/drink accompaniment, etc.) do you record in your journal?

Wilkey
 
Good topic. I'm going to chime in here because one of the things that drew me into this forum were the diverse reviews. I was a member of a Yahoo group before that literally categorized every cigar as either a 'good smoker' or 'a dog rocket'. Well, I think I know what a dog rocket is, but a good smoker doesn't tell me shit. Is a good smoker any cigar that doesn't leave your mouth tasting like ass?

When I sit down to do a review I look for the different flavors to give others an idea of what they might enjoy. The whole 'buttery' flavor really does it for me, so when I hear someone describe that I know it might be a cigar I might want to try. On the other hand, if I'm not REALLY picking a flavor up, I'm not going to mention it, but if I am getting a flavor that keeps hitting me, I'm going to write it down as best I can no matter how weird it might read. And yeah, often that flavor might come and go.

As for the macro review, I think most of us who enjoy doing reviews try to sum a cigar up in the end. Thankfully though, we're not going the "It was a good smoker" route. It was buttery and spicy, and it kicked my ass. That would be my macro review for my fav Tat.

Again, great f'n topic. Quality vs Quantity.

ts
 
I imagine it's just my apparently underdeveloped palate, but I find that I don't pick up on the myriad different flavors some of you reviewers do. Then again, I've only been smoking cigars for about three years, and intermittently at that. I have found cigars that are spicy, creamy, chewy, woody, nutty, earthy, and/or nasty, but I can't say I've ever had one that tasted like cherry (really? cherry?). I guess I have never really sat down and "anal fucked" ??? my cigar looking for different flavors, either, though. Oh, well, hopefully it will come with time.
 
My reviews tend to be more to the point and can usually be wrapped up in two or three words.....

It sucked.

It didn't suck.

:cool:
 
I have found that if I really pay attention I can pick out certain flavors or nuances of a cigar but for me the atmosphere matters most. I would much rather be with a great group of brothers, or on the patio working the grill and enjoying a nice cigar then sitting alone trying to analyze every puff. The occasional "man this is a great stick" comment from a friend while relaxing and drinking a beer is what it is all about.
 
That's a fascinating approach... The first time I've heard of it but it makes sense. Now that I think of it, certain cigars amend themselves to certain frames of mind and settings. For example, I never smoke HU Sir Winstons or RyJ Churchills unless I have the time and inclination to be contemplative. I often only smoke the Party Shorts, Cohiba Sig I, Trini Reyes when I'm alert and looking for a little sparkplug of a cigar.

First let me say thanks. That coming from someone I have a great deal of respect for means alot to me.

Ginseng said:
So what sort of details (environmental, food/drink accompaniment, etc.) do you record in your journal?

When I first started smoking cigars it was merely an enjoyable thing to do when at the local cigar bar. I was mostly enjoying the drink before the cigar (this was partly due to smoking Macanudos). Then I found cigar pass and the great reviews people were doing. That and being gifted a small desktop humidor so I could keep a small stash on hand.

When I decided to do my first review and really sit down and be a bit more thorough I noticed I was still leaning my opinions to the "where" and "when" and not as much the "what". At the time of most of the reviews I was in a great mood, had a mild drink and a quite night, which helped in picking out the subtleties. For example the CAO Sampler Review I was making notes on when the Maduro would the most enjoyable for me.
...Would I smoke this again? Yes I would, given I was with friends and had a nice drink, most likely scotch. The smoke was crowd pleasing, the fiance even stayed with me on the patio till I was done. Which did NOT happen when reviewing the Criollo. The smoke was dense, but not in huge quantity. A good social smoke I'd say.
My notes took that a bit further and I specifically noted Good for poker. The reason is I have found fuller bodied cigars to be really great for me to relax and let do. I seem to do better in poker when I don't over think things. I know the tactics and percentages of most hands, but end up killing myself by doing to much thinking :D. So that point could be like a little secret weapon next time I sit down with the boys. That and the jealousy of the great room note would be nice.

Another example which I didn't do a review of here as I had no camera at the time and was behind at work on my coding was a nice AF Gran Reserva Rothschild that Swissy had sent me in the noob sampler. It really did the trick. I call myself a child of the Internet and video gaming. I have the attention span of a knat most days and need to be multi-tasking to stay focused. So when coding at work I often have something in my hands or drinking tea or even reading something on cigar pass on one screen and coding on my other screen. The AF was a very consistent and just good smoke. It didn't pull my attention away from work, nor did require alot of my attention to keep is lit (good construction). A draw every minute or two was all I needed to keep that smoke in air and my mind on the work at hand. I made special note of that cigar for the way it really just fit into that moment and state of mind.

Lastly, on Valentines day my fiance gave me a wonderful Partagas sampler. I noted how I specifically liked the natural robusto in the morning setting.
...Given the time of day, the weather and my hunger level this was perfect timing. Its a great morning/early afternoon cigar.
and,
...I really enjoyed this one. In fact while smoking I decided this will be my early wedding day morning smoke.

In the end reviews for me cover the gamut of tastes, moods, events, timings, pairings and I guess in that final example even sentimental value. But that is really the point of the whole thing right? Just because I try and write this stuff down or take pictures that doesn't mean we all don't subconsciously draw these same conclusions and store them away in our heads. The other day I was smoking a wonderful Avo Signature at my new stomping grounds "Cigar Time" in Cerritos, Ca. the owner was also smoking the Avo Sig while we watched some basketball. I commented "I taste a bit of cinnamon here." he replied "I taste tobacco". Are my tastes more refined then his? Doubtful, since he is a sarcastic bastid... However, regardless I'm sure his mind has already pulled out all the juicy little bits from the taste, moment in time and feelings. It wasn't just good, regardless if that's all he could express about it.

Ok thats it from me, sorry about going way out there on that one. It happens when I get compliments!

Thanks for reading if you made it this far :)
 
I have a tough time picking out the specific flavors but I am getting better. i think it just comes with experience and variety and most Importantly finding out what you like the best. I think that's a lot of the fun, trying to figure out what the hell ur tasting and if U dig it or not.
-Mike
 
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