Quad State Herf IV - Feb 7, 2009

[Diesel Grinch]

Hey Charlie,

I have a question: Would you mind if instead of donating to your charity I would bring you a reciept of my donation in the same amount to a charity of my choice.

Not to knock down your choice but I personally have other charaties that I feel more apt to donate to.

Dan,

How's your Dick feeling? Your doing a good job stepping on it. It's $20 for a great cause. Donate to both if you want. Stop while your behind.


DG

 

[CgarDan]

Whether it be a golf tournament, a cigar herf or any other event that involves a charitable contribution, if you would like to participate in the event, then you HAVE to play by the rules of the event.


I also don't think this question needs to be "taken to PM." There's nothing wrong with discussing it in public.

Both great points. The check for the donation will go out tom morning. And a I started a new thread in the HERF forum so not to clutter Charlies thread anymore. :blush:

 

[stogieman]

To calm the air, I received a PM from Dan apologizing for for his actions and I asked to be removed from the Guest List to erradicate any further unnecessary tensions. I will contact Dickson to let him know that his guest can now attend......... :thumbs:

 

[Dave]

If they want to attend the Quad State Herf and be a member in good standing then they donate to the Wounded Warriors Program.

So what takes priority as far as the Herf is concerned? The charity, or people coming and having a good time? I had refrained from posting my thoughts earlier because Charlie had called me and asked me about my thoughts and told me he was going to have a conversation with Dan about the matter.

I said this before on the phone, and I'll state it again here, not every cause in the world is worthy of your money, of my money, nor everyone's money. That doesn't mean that there are no charities worthy of money either, all are causes that people feel a strong attachment to and want to support. People have preferences to whom they donate to. Just because someone doesn't believe in Charity X doesn't mean they are not a member in good standing, nor do I believe they should be excluded from an opportunity to go to a gathering where many people who haven't seen each other finally meet up again.

If you don't like the charity...don't sign up.

That last line is just...I'm at a lose...and I'm actually shocked.

Tell me about it, last year I was THE MAN, and this year I'm just an idiot. I'm shocking everyone.

I've been doing a lot of thinking and through reading the responses to Dan's question, it is now apparent through undisputed consensus from several attendees as well as the primary organizer and the fact that no one has contested the following quote...

Would you attend a United Way charity golf tourny and ask to have the chack be made out to the Red Cross?

that I was wrong into thinking about the whole situation. That sentence confirmed that this is a Fund Raiser, and I shall treat it as such.

Charlie, please remove me from the Guest list so a brother of better standing than I may attend.

I have decided earlier today, and have mailed out a $50 money order and included a form for a Matching Gift Program offered by my employer. Should Charlie be willing to help me out and comply with the simple instructions in the note I included in the donation, my employer maybe inclined to match my gift to the WTU totalling $100. As I said before on page 3, post 58 of this thread, please send my goody bag to the troops, and redistribute whatever raffle tickets my donation might have recieved how you see fit. If there are any questions concerning the matching gift program form, feel free to call me.

Unfortunately I don't attend fund raisers, I'm the guy that buys the girl scout cookies, not makes them. I have only interest in attending herfs. I would appreciate some clarity next time on whatever event is being hosted where the main goal lies in the event, whether it be raising money for charity X or just having a good time.

 

[grateful1]

If they want to attend the Quad State Herf and be a member in good standing then they donate to the Wounded Warriors Program.

So what takes priority as far as the Herf is concerned? The charity, or people coming and having a good time? I had refrained from posting my thoughts earlier because Charlie had called me and asked me about my thoughts and told me he was going to have a conversation with Dan about the matter.

I said this before on the phone, and I'll state it again here, not every cause in the world is worthy of your money, of my money, nor everyone's money. That doesn't mean that there are no charities worthy of money either, all are causes that people feel a strong attachment to and want to support. People have preferences to whom they donate to. Just because someone doesn't believe in Charity X doesn't mean they are not a member in good standing, nor do I believe they should be excluded from an opportunity to go to a gathering where many people who haven't seen each other finally meet up again.

If you don't like the charity...don't sign up.

That last line is just...I'm at a lose...and I'm actually shocked.

Tell me about it, last year I was THE MAN, and this year I'm just an idiot. I'm shocking everyone.

I've been doing a lot of thinking and through reading the responses to Dan's question, it is now apparent through undisputed consensus from several attendees as well as the primary organizer and the fact that no one has contested the following quote...

Would you attend a United Way charity golf tourny and ask to have the chack be made out to the Red Cross?

that I was wrong into thinking about the whole situation. That sentence confirmed that this is a Fund Raiser, and I shall treat it as such.

Charlie, please remove me from the Guest list so a brother of better standing than I may attend.

I have decided earlier today, and have mailed out a $50 money order and included a form for a Matching Gift Program offered by my employer. Should Charlie be willing to help me out and comply with the simple instructions in the note I included in the donation, my employer maybe inclined to match my gift to the WTU totalling $100. As I said before on page 3, post 58 of this thread, please send my goody bag to the troops, and redistribute whatever raffle tickets my donation might have recieved how you see fit. If there are any questions concerning the matching gift program form, feel free to call me.

Unfortunately I don't attend fund raisers, I'm the guy that buys the girl scout cookies, not makes them. I have only interest in attending herfs. I would appreciate some clarity next time on whatever event is being hosted where the main goal lies in the event, whether it be raising money for charity X or just having a good time.

Sorry to hear it. Maybe the rules will change again next time, as they have for this one.

Are you still heading out this way?

If so, join us at 4 when it opens...or if you're around Sunday I'm sure a smoke would be in order!

 

[Dickson]

I'm just grateful we didn't cancel the charity herf fundraiser over this. Should prove to be a good time for all attendees. See ya'll there!!!!!

 

[BlindedByScience]

Unfortunately I don't attend fund raisers, I'm the guy that buys the girl scout cookies, not makes them. I have only interest in attending herfs. I would appreciate some clarity next time on whatever event is being hosted where the main goal lies in the event, whether it be raising money for charity X or just having a good time.

I am biting my tongue so hard I can taste the blood.

Maybe if all the "fund raiser" objectors would have actually READ the first post where Charlie talks about donating the proceeds you'd have had a clue about what was actually going on. That's bad enough, but the childish hysterics and "it's against my principles to attend fund raisers" and hand waving and the grand exits are too damn much. Fine; if you don't want to go....DON'T FREAKING GO! It would have been one thing if you'd have handled a graceful exit privately by PM. But oooooh no, it had to be a big issue for everyone to see. My god, you've both managed to crap all over a great event and a great cause. And, in my considered opinion, stick both your feet far up your own ass.

The event will go on, a fantastic time will be had by all, and that will be that.

I'm disgusted in the way you guys chose to handle this. By all means, please don't attend any such functions in the future.

B.B.S.

 

[Dave]

Unfortunately I don't attend fund raisers, I'm the guy that buys the girl scout cookies, not makes them. I have only interest in attending herfs. I would appreciate some clarity next time on whatever event is being hosted where the main goal lies in the event, whether it be raising money for charity X or just having a good time.

I am biting my tongue so hard I can taste the blood.

Maybe if all the "fund raiser" objectors would have actually READ the first post where Charlie talks about donating the proceeds you'd have had a clue about what was actually going on. That's bad enough, but the childish hysterics and "it's against my principles to attend fund raisers" and hand waving and the grand exits are too damn much. Fine; if you don't want to go....DON'T FREAKING GO! It would have been one thing if you'd have handled a graceful exit privately by PM. But oooooh no, it had to be a big issue for everyone to see. My god, you've both managed to crap all over a great event and a great cause. And, in my considered opinion, stick both your feet far up your own ass.

The event will go on, a fantastic time will be had by all, and that will be that.

I'm disgusted in the way you guys chose to handle this. By all means, please don't attend any such functions in the future.

B.B.S.

I primarily posted that so as to remind people to take advantage of their Matching Gift Programs should their employers offer it. I feel it is a great service that is under used and under appreciated. As I said earlier of myself, I'm not such a great person but I'll gladly donate to charities I feel close to. I would also appreciate if others would follow my example to freely give of themselves in appreciation of whoever they support.


Any misinterpretation of anything of what I said just means that no one has actually "read" what I wrote.

 

[ilcchef2]

Unfortunately I don't attend fund raisers, I'm the guy that buys the girl scout cookies, not makes them. I have only interest in attending herfs. I would appreciate some clarity next time on whatever event is being hosted where the main goal lies in the event, whether it be raising money for charity X or just having a good time.

I am biting my tongue so hard I can taste the blood.

Maybe if all the "fund raiser" objectors would have actually READ the first post where Charlie talks about donating the proceeds you'd have had a clue about what was actually going on. That's bad enough, but the childish hysterics and "it's against my principles to attend fund raisers" and hand waving and the grand exits are too damn much. Fine; if you don't want to go....DON'T FREAKING GO! It would have been one thing if you'd have handled a graceful exit privately by PM. But oooooh no, it had to be a big issue for everyone to see. My god, you've both managed to crap all over a great event and a great cause. And, in my considered opinion, stick both your feet far up your own ass.

The event will go on, a fantastic time will be had by all, and that will be that.

I'm disgusted in the way you guys chose to handle this. By all means, please don't attend any such functions in the future.

B.B.S.

Every single Quad State Herf has had a Charity in mind, all of them outstanding! Good on you Charlie!!!

 

[BlindedByScience]

Any misinterpretation of anything of what I said just means that no one has actually "read" what I wrote.

Oh, I read it several times. I couldn't believe it.

....that I was wrong into thinking about the whole situation. That sentence confirmed that this is a Fund Raiser, and I shall treat it as such.

Charlie, please remove me from the Guest list so a brother of better standing than I may attend.

Seems pretty clear you don't attend fund raisers. Fair enough.

I'm thinking if you'd have actually read Charlie's first post, you would have realized that is what happens with the proceeds to this event. The misunderstanding seems to be due to your oversight.

Rather than admit the oversight and make a quiet exit to absolve your conscience, you chose to make a huge deal out of it. I'm still disgusted.

B.B.S.

 

[stogieman]

Good morning all, I hope things calm down a bit now and we get back on track. Later on when I get a chance, I'll post what some of the Grand Prizes are and some administrative notes as stated a few days ago. Everyone take a breather and enjoy the day....... :thumbs:

 

[Seavita]

Good morning all, I hope things calm down a bit now and we get back on track. Later on when I get a chance, I'll post what some of the Grand Prizes are and some administrative notes as stated a few days ago. Everyone take a breather and enjoy the day....... :thumbs:

Charlie you are a cool headed man.......................good on ya mate as brother Anvil would say....





e:for spell

 

[Humidor Minister]

First I'd like to say I'm absolutely happy to donate my work to such a fine cause. I'd hate to see an excellent event like this go by the way side becaue of a dispute over the contribution recipient. I'd like to make a suggestion if I may. In the future, place a poll on the sites where it will be promoted with the understanding that the contributions will go to the organzation that is decided by the polls. Only people going to the event can vote. The vote is final with no dispute. To vote this must be acceptible. Or something along these lines. I personally am glad to have had the opportunity to offer my work as a way to help our wounded soldiers. Unfortunately money is tight these days so this is the next best thing I can do. I think this is a great event with a greater cause. God Bless out troops. :thumbs: BTW. I'd be happy to contribute my work for many of the other causes mentioned as well if they were the recipient of the herf. Good luck and have a great time everyone. Wish I could join you.

 

[ggiese]

Hey - I like the Chicago Bears. I'd love to see them live! But, I've never been to a live game because I'm not about to spend a big chunk on going... Not gonna to do it... Nope!!!

It's not that I cannot afford it - it's because I don't like to spend that kind of money in that way. So - I stay at home and watch it on the HDTV!!!



Someday I'll make it to the QSH - it's on the "to do" list. I'd like to spend my $20 that way - meeting up with the east coast bruddahs. :thumbs:

Charlie - when I attend you can donate the $20 any way you wish. If you wanna donate it to "the right wing of the leftist movement to shoot the gay baby whales that were friends of the aborted seals that were clubbed by those that voted early and often" fund, I'm game. Though I'm very hopeful the year I attend you choose some kind of hooker slush fund. :love:

 

[SamClemmons]

Any misinterpretation of anything of what I said just means that no one has actually "read" what I wrote.

Oh, I read it several times. I couldn't believe it.

....that I was wrong into thinking about the whole situation. That sentence confirmed that this is a Fund Raiser, and I shall treat it as such.

Charlie, please remove me from the Guest list so a brother of better standing than I may attend.

Seems pretty clear you don't attend fund raisers. Fair enough.

I'm thinking if you'd have actually read Charlie's first post, you would have realized that is what happens with the proceeds to this event. The misunderstanding seems to be due to your oversight.

Rather than admit the oversight and make a quiet exit to absolve your conscience, you chose to make a huge deal out of it. I'm still disgusted.

B.B.S.

Agree 100% B.B.S.
Thanks for doing this Charlie. This is not only a deserving cause but an important gesture to our brothers in arms.

Can someone explain the difference between a fundraiser for a charity and giving directly to a charity? Is there actually a distinction that I missed in the earlier posts? Was this simply a "left handed" stand for effect against an illusionary principle? I'm seriously confused, at least I think I'm seriously confused.

NA

 

[tone-ny]

Any misinterpretation of anything of what I said just means that no one has actually "read" what I wrote.

Oh, I read it several times. I couldn't believe it.

....that I was wrong into thinking about the whole situation. That sentence confirmed that this is a Fund Raiser, and I shall treat it as such.

Charlie, please remove me from the Guest list so a brother of better standing than I may attend.

Seems pretty clear you don't attend fund raisers. Fair enough.

I'm thinking if you'd have actually read Charlie's first post, you would have realized that is what happens with the proceeds to this event. The misunderstanding seems to be due to your oversight.

Rather than admit the oversight and make a quiet exit to absolve your conscience, you chose to make a huge deal out of it. I'm still disgusted.

B.B.S.

Agree 100% B.B.S.
Thanks for doing this Charlie. This is not only a deserving cause but an important gesture to our brothers in arms.

Can someone explain the difference between a fundraiser for a charity and giving directly to a charity? Is there actually a distinction that I missed in the earlier posts? Was this simply a "left handed" stand for effect against an illusionary principle? I'm seriously confused, at least I think I'm seriously confused.

NA

It's a complicated issue. If the individual writes the check to the party putting on the event there is no charitable intent as you are paying for the right to attend. It becomes a pass through and the person writing the actual check to the organization gets the charitable event. IRS publication 1771 covers it in general. There are multiple provisions in the tax code that covers events and charitable contributions.

Charlie is doing it correctly, having each individual write the check to the actual charity.

 

[Devil Doc]

Good morning all, I hope things calm down a bit now and we get back on track. Later on when I get a chance, I'll post what some of the Grand Prizes are and some administrative notes as stated a few days ago. Everyone take a breather and enjoy the day....... :thumbs:

Charlie you ar a cool heaaded man.......................good on ya mate as brother Anvil would say....





e:for spell

He sure is. I've been trying to get a rise out of him for a long time. The only time I got close is when I made a disparaging remark about his beloved mules. :laugh:

Doc.

 

[Seavita]

Any misinterpretation of anything of what I said just means that no one has actually "read" what I wrote.

Oh, I read it several times. I couldn't believe it.

....that I was wrong into thinking about the whole situation. That sentence confirmed that this is a Fund Raiser, and I shall treat it as such.

Charlie, please remove me from the Guest list so a brother of better standing than I may attend.

Seems pretty clear you don't attend fund raisers. Fair enough.

I'm thinking if you'd have actually read Charlie's first post, you would have realized that is what happens with the proceeds to this event. The misunderstanding seems to be due to your oversight.

Rather than admit the oversight and make a quiet exit to absolve your conscience, you chose to make a huge deal out of it. I'm still disgusted.

B.B.S.

Agree 100% B.B.S.
Thanks for doing this Charlie. This is not only a deserving cause but an important gesture to our brothers in arms.

Can someone explain the difference between a fundraiser for a charity and giving directly to a charity? Is there actually a distinction that I missed in the earlier posts? Was this simply a "left handed" stand for effect against an illusionary principle? I'm seriously confused, at least I think I'm seriously confused.

NA

Seriously you are..... :sign:

Just not about your interpratation....on that you are pretty much dead on... :laugh:

 

[SamClemmons]

Any misinterpretation of anything of what I said just means that no one has actually "read" what I wrote.

Oh, I read it several times. I couldn't believe it.

....that I was wrong into thinking about the whole situation. That sentence confirmed that this is a Fund Raiser, and I shall treat it as such.

Charlie, please remove me from the Guest list so a brother of better standing than I may attend.

Seems pretty clear you don't attend fund raisers. Fair enough.

I'm thinking if you'd have actually read Charlie's first post, you would have realized that is what happens with the proceeds to this event. The misunderstanding seems to be due to your oversight.

Rather than admit the oversight and make a quiet exit to absolve your conscience, you chose to make a huge deal out of it. I'm still disgusted.

B.B.S.

Agree 100% B.B.S.
Thanks for doing this Charlie. This is not only a deserving cause but an important gesture to our brothers in arms.

Can someone explain the difference between a fundraiser for a charity and giving directly to a charity? Is there actually a distinction that I missed in the earlier posts? Was this simply a "left handed" stand for effect against an illusionary principle? I'm seriously confused, at least I think I'm seriously confused.

NA

It's a complicated issue. If the individual writes the check to the party putting on the event there is no charitable intent as you are paying for the right to attend. It becomes a pass through and the person writing the actual check to the organization gets the charitable event. IRS publication 1771 covers it in general. There are multiple provisions in the tax code that covers events and charitable contributions.

Charlie is doing it correctly, having each individual write the check to the actual charity.

Excellent. Now, can you explain to me what dan and dave were objecting to? I note the grandiose gesture made by dave where he was keen to point out how generous and magnanimous he is. Yet he is loathe to participate in fund raiser's because... eerrrrm... why was that because again? Seriously, I wouldn't want to call anyone an jackass without being sure.

NA

 

[Dickson]

With all due respect to Charlie. Isn't time to get back to the task at hand and, from what I've read they certainly aren't CgrDan and Dave. On other words ladies............................... ???