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Puff-Puff Pass

Okay, today is tues. and that means time for my Ts/Ps.

Takes:
1. AF Anejo #46
2. AF Anejo #49
4. AF - BTL
5. AF - Hemi Sig Mad
6. AF - WOA[M]
24. PAM '64 - Principe
32. SCdH - El Principe
39. Monti #3

Puts:
57. Zino Platinum - Crown Series - Double Grande
58. Ashton VSG - Illusion
59. CAO - Criolo - Mancha
60. Perdomo^2 [yellow] - Torfecto
61. Perdomo^2 [yellow] - Exponente
62. Carlos Torano - Casa Torano - churchill
63. HdM - dark sumatra - Noche
64. PSD4 - [late 04]



now I just gotta find a disk drive somewhere to update the list
:thumbs:

PM sent to next bro on the list.
 
sir-smokes-a-lot said:
Okay, today is tues. and that means time for my Ts/Ps.

Takes:
1. AF Anejo #46
2. AF Anejo #49
4. AF - BTL
5. AF - Hemi Sig Mad
6. AF - WOA[M]
24. PAM '64 - Principe
32. SCdH - El Principe
39. Monti #3

Puts:
57. Zino Platinum - Crown Series - Double Grande
58. Ashton VSG - Illusion
59. CAO - Criolo - Mancha
60. Perdomo^2 [yellow] - Torfecto
61. Perdomo^2 [yellow] - Exponente
62. Carlos Torano - Casa Torano - churchill
63. HdM - dark sumatra - Noche
64. PSD4 - [late 04]



now I just gotta find a disk drive somewhere to update the list
:thumbs:

PM sent to next bro on the list.
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Are the puts/takes in order? If I'm reading it correctly, you're replacing the BTL w/ the CAO Criolo? If so, I'd think twice about that one. What are the Perdomo*2 replacing? Torfecto is $6 and the Exponente is $4. You also took an ISOM and replaced w/ a NC. Just a few questions I had :whistling:

** edited for spelling **
 
OK, then what replaces what? Again, what are the Perdomo*2s replacing. Torfecto is $6 and the Exponente is $4. I don't see any of your takes that are $4 and $6. You also took an ISOM and replaced w/ a NC. Were these Puts/Takes approved by Browndevil?
 
To ans. your question, yes I checked w/ BD before posting here.

On www.top25cigar.com , the site I used to check the Perdomos were $7.99 and the other was unlisted, but as the robusto was listed at $6.50, fig. I could assume similar for the Exponente.

And PAM '64 Principe, which is a PC, is around $6 msrp

The Zino Platinum is from the Crown Series, not the scepter, not as easily found [only seen them 2x in stores] and goes for around $34

:thumbs:



of course if the pass believes I have erred here, will gladly take some time and rethink my Ps/Ts
 
Well, I guess as long as BD agreed, there is nothing I can do. So I'm assuming the Zino is replacing the BTL? I found the Perdomo*2s on CI, hence the $4 and $6 references. The PAM Principe is actually closer to $8, then $6. I just wanted to see a Put/Take comparison, which I still haven't seen yet. Just for my own sh*ts/giggles.
 
I guess I fig. it as around:

Zino Plat. for BTL and WOAM
CAO for Hemi Sig
VSG for Anejo #49
Perdomo torfecto for Anejo #46
Perdomo for PAM PC
PSD4 for Montie #3
and the other two and SCdH to even it out more or less.


tho not to seem like I am cutting it too close, will put back the PAM - PC
and withdraw the perdomo/anejo and the casa torano so it will look like:

Zino Plat. - BTL and WOAM
CAO - Hemi Sig
VSG - Anejo #49
PSD4 - Montie #3
Perdomo, HdM - SCdH

:thumbs:
 
Confused about what?
Personally, think the Zino covers the BTL, Anejo and the SCdH, but that's just me, so I added an extra 2 sticks.

Tho if this is out of line, make a better suggestion, and I'll change it.

:thumbs:
 
I have to admit when I first saw these P&Ts my eyebrows raised a bit. I don't want to cause a stir and this is my first pass but some of these don't seem too fair.

Especially this one:

CAO - Hemi Sig

This CAO Crillo Mancha goes for about $120 a box ($5.55/stick) and is readily available. The AF Hemi Signature Maduro is quite hard to come by and when you do find them I believe they are more than $5.50.

It's not just price, it's the rarity of the cigars you are taking. AF Anejos come out 2x a year and generally sell for over MSRP. Same with BTL (even rarer) and WOAM (very rare). I know the Zino (cost wise) makes up for the cost of these sticks - not sure about rarity.

???

But hey, it's BD's pass and if he OKd them then there isn't much we can do.

EDIT: Just looked up the Zino Platinum - Crown Series - Double Grande and they are easily found in tins of 3 for $87 ($29/stick). Rarity wise, IMO taking out an AF WOAM and BTL and putting in the Zino is a stretch (something like an OpusX (or 2) or PAM 40th for these two would be more like it, both in cost and rarity.
 
My thinking is that it should be Quality for Quality, per BDs first post. So, that would leave you taking the BTL and replacing it w/ the Zino. Never is it OK IMO to take 3 sticks and say you're replacing it w/ one. 1 for 1, Quality for Quality. Also, you're taking an ISOM and replacing it w/ a N/C. I'm not sure on the rules of that, but that's usually frowned upon. I have a vested interest in this since I'm actually in the pass. Of course, if Robert said it was OK, then nothing my ranting will do to change it.
 
I know that I am a tagger-along on this pass, but the P/Ts don't seem to jive with me either. In simple terms, most of the takes are AFs, a padron, and an ISOM. Moreover, the AFs are fairly scarce (if not downright rare). I can't see replacing them with perdomo^2s, CAOs, or HdM (unless it is ISOM). I can see the Zino/BTL...that makes sense. I, like bfreebern, would like to see a stick for stick P/T. Would help to see the thought process.

Just my 0.02.
 
bfreebern said:
My thinking is that it should be Quality for Quality, per BDs first post.
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Also per my first post, I mentioned I think PMs still work wonders ???
Perhaps a small mention of frying up a mike omlet :whistling:

PM going to Mike :thumbs:

Thanks to you guys for keeping this warm and brotherly ;)
 
Okay,
one, would like to claim a brain fart earlier this morning in regards to some of my posting.
second, while in my meeting was thinking that while they would make sense [at least to me], it would stretchin' it a bit and would like to refig. my Ps/Ts as such.

Zino Platinum - AF BTL and Anejo
VSG - Anejo
PSD4 - Montie #3
Perdomo torfecto - Hemi sig.

Perdomo
CAO - criollo



Tho if you guys are against my zino for the 2 fuentes,
would be willing to do a PAN '26 #6 for the BTL.

:thumbs:
 
Michael, WTF is wrong with you man???

That's about the most lopsided puts and takes I've seen in years!!!

You are taking several super premiums and putting back ****!\

Make it right! :angry2:
 
Leebo8-9-8 said:
Michael, WTF is wrong with you man???

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What else is new? I'm sorry but this is obscene. You're still not even close SSAL :rolleyes:
 
Guess my PM was being typed while Mike jumped in here again.

No worries guys, it will be sorted out :thumbs:

Thanks for looking out everyone. Always nice to see people looking out for one another on here :sign:
 
I can MAYBE see the Zino for the BTL, just b/c of the price for the Zino. I can see the VSG Illusion for maybe the Anejo #46. I can see the PSD#4 for either the Monte or SCdH. Nothing else jives.
 
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