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Kayakinboy

I recently won a contest that KB held, and he was right on in the interaction with me. Even though it was a one-way deal instead of a trade, he kept me up to date on where everything was, and he followed through on evertyhing he said. I saw no problems in my dealing with him.
 
If Harris (aka The Master) came over here to check and see if I'd changed, the majority is ringing the bell and waving the green flag (atleast I think so ???) and I've been doing some trades on CF and I've also been looking at others boards. I ain't leaving, so nobody has got to worry about that! ;)

Also, if you look in my pass history, I would say I've been in 5, if not more, and hosted one myself. There has only been one mistake, and the problem wasn't a matter of sticks, it was a problem with labeling. It didn't slow down the pass, nor cause any missing sticks in the pass. Since this thread happened, I was asked to leave one pass, and GG allowed me to join his pass. He's got every reason to worry about something happening to his sticks. Passes are always some sort of gamble. But again, the pass issue is up to the host.

OutlawD, the whole reason for that "Box Split" idea was we found two websites that were selling the DVD set for 46 dollars. They stop the sale the next day. I can't help that. I reposted that thread because there are still people who probably haven't gotten a chance to try the Forbidden X, and someone might want to host that split. ;)

I've said on other boards this is my "home" and if people come to check on me here, I'm glad the majority (more than I ever thought before atleast) back me up, and I thank my BOTLs for that! :thumbs: :love:
 
SamClemmons said:
I'm wondering who has an ax to grind. Who requested he be added to the list?

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Perhaps the request/suggestion was made last month when the issue first arose. And The Master is just getting around to it?

The Master: Any insight you can share would be appreciated. But it looks like the majority of the board regard KB as a stand up guy, with no need to be placed on the list.
 
SamClemmons said:
I'm wondering who has an ax to grind. Who requested he be added to the list?

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I've been wondering this as well. You think they'd have the balls to come forward and voice their reasoning to have KB added to the list.
 
I've said it once I'll say it again. If KB owes anyone anything, let me know and I will take care of it. Lord knows I've given John some sh*t here but he seems to have turned things around (at least here on CP). He deserves the benefit of the doubt in this case considering he has taken his past lumpings "to heart".

In addition, I think details are warranted (WHO? WHY?), not just a statement that someone wants him added to the list.
 
ggiese said:
Outlaw - the list is specifically designed to out those that would cross lines of normal civility in trading. KB was close to being put on that list with some of his past trades. The list is vital for protecting all of our interests, as it reads as a "who's who" of scumbags! That being said, it is with great care that people are added to the list because if what it signifies...
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ok i understand

for what its worth i have no opinion good or bad about kb.thus the unbiased thing.

i read and watched this thread from the begining and really didnt expect him to be around today.

that is all i have to say :D
 
For the guys who don't know me here is a brief run down. I have been on every major cigar BB since early 1997 those BB's were, CA, Cigar World, Cigar Family, Internet Cigar group, JR( came in around 98).I am a moderator over at Cigar Family and have been for a couple of years. I have been smoking hand made premium cigars since approxinmately 1984. I have a reputation on the web as someone who speaks his mind. Some people like me, some hate my guts. lol

The purpose of this thread was to find out if KB should be put on the scumbag list that we at CF have been keeping for a number of years. This list is to protect people, not to ruin someones reputation.

The request came from a member of this group( no, you will never know who made the request) so before we added him to the list the appropriate thing to do was ask people here how they felt.


So far it looks like no one wants to add KB to the scumbag list. You guys are very forgiving,he's lucky he didn't pull that stuff over at CF. LOL
 
The Master said:
For the guys who don't know me here is a brief run down. I have been on every major cigar BB since early 1997 those BB's were, CA, Cigar World, Cigar Family, Internet Cigar group, JR( came in around 98).I am a moderator over at Cigar Family and have been for a couple of years. I have been smoking hand made premium cigars since approxinmately 1984. I have a reputation on the web as someone who speaks his mind. Some people like me, some hate my guts. lol

The purpose of this thread was to find out if KB should be put on the scumbag list that we at CF have been keeping for a number of years. This list is to protect people, not to ruin someones reputation.

The request came from a member of this group( no, you will never know who made the request) so before we added him to the list the appropriate thing to do was ask people here how they felt.


So far it looks like no one wants to add KB to the scumbag list. You guys are very forgiving,he's lucky he didn't pull that stuff over at CF. LOL
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I know this one is none of my business, as I am a newbie (or noob, haven't figured out which yet), and I should probably stay out of it but I've been reading the thread, and to quote Arte Johnson, "verrrrrryyyyy interesting"...looks like someone has a beef with KB but isn't man enough to stand up and say so himself...
 
The Master said:
The purpose of this thread was to find out if KB should be put on the scumbag list that we at CF have been keeping for a number of years. This list is to protect people, not to ruin someones reputation.

The request came from a member of this group( no,  you will never know who made the request) so before we added him to the list the appropriate thing to do was ask people here how they felt.

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In my opinion then, that person should have the balls to come here and post it on his own (like others have done in the past). He should provide DETAILS of why he thinks KB should be added to the list. This was the wrong way to go about this. Hiding behind someone with a reputation and a moderator at CF really stinks.

BTW, no one here is questioning your credentials Harris. I have seen you over on CF and know who you are. My postings are just general responses to this whole ordeal and how it should have been handled and are nothing against you personally.

EDIT: The anonymity of the "accuser" is really what bothers me. This could just be a beef someone has with KB. If you have details of what transpired I think you are under an obligation to post them here so KB can respond publicly.
 
Jingle, your statement:

"If you have details of what transpired I think you are under an obligation to post them here so KB can respond publicly."

I have no first hand knowledge of what happened between KB and the person who made the request. I gave my word that I would not devulge the name of the person who made this request, I hope you understand why I cannot betray that trust.
 
The Master said:
Jingle, your statement:


I have no first hand knowledge of what happened between KB and the person who made the request. I gave my word that I would not devulge the name of the person who made this request, I hope you understand why I cannot betray that trust.
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Not surprisingly, Harris has handled this very well. After receiving a request from a member of this board to put KB on the scumbag list maintained on another board, Harris came here to get a clear picture. He certainly could have just taken the accusers word and put KB on the list but he didn't. Harris has behaved honorably.

As for the CP brother who made the request in the first place, a man has the right to face his accusers. You owe it to KB and to the membership of this board to put up or shut up. If you believe KB is a scumbag, why would you go off the board and in secrecy to make this accusation? This just doesn't make sense. You must know that if he stiffed you will have the full support of the brotherhood.
 
The Master said:
Jingle, your statement:

"If you have details of what transpired I think you are under an obligation to post them here so KB can respond publicly."

I have no first hand knowledge of what happened between KB and the person who made the request. I gave my word that I would not devulge the name of the person who made this request, I hope you understand why I cannot betray that trust.
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you should tell him to fight his own battles. why would you be willing to come fight his battle without even being informed about the reasoning behind it? I don't understand.
 
Drake said:
The Master said:
Jingle, your statement:

"If you have details of what transpired I think you are under an obligation to post them here so KB can respond publicly."

I have no first hand knowledge of what happened between KB and the person who made the request. I gave my word that I would not devulge the name of the person who made this request, I hope you understand why I cannot betray that trust.
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you should tell him to fight his own battles. why would you be willing to come fight his battle without even being informed about the reasoning behind it? I don't understand.
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Drake,

He isn't fighting anyones battle. He wanted clarification and he got it.
 
The Master is no newbie, gentlemen.

I think The Master did KBoy a hell of a nice favor by bringing this issue to the attention of this forum. Not to many guys get a second or third chance, as KBoy has received.

Thanks Harris for helping to resolve this issue; don't mind the rookie peanut gallery.
 
The reason I came here to get feedback was out of respect to this group. Normally after reading the thread about him and getting the info from the guy who made the request, we would have put him on the list with out getting any more info from this group.

If he had done this exact same thing at CF he would have been put on the list and he would have been run off of CF. Breaking your word on numerous occasions, making people wait for months with no communication is not the behavior of a true BOTL.
 
Just so everyone knows, I was the person who requested KB to be on the bad traders list. I would have mentioned it before now, but I'm just now seeing this thread revived. Honestly, I'm surprised to find that you guys are so forgiving. Taking the 'what have you done for me lately' approach is dangerous. Just because he's come through on a few trades recently does not mean that he is no longer a considerable risk to trade with.

I guess it is more than a coincidence that KB sent me a PM last night. I never received his 'makeup package'. But even if I did, I wouldn't consider him any less of a risk to trade with. It appears that he sent it last night, which I appreciate, but it certainly doesn't buy my silence(I think he knows that).

If you guys look at the scumbag list, there are many reasons that people have made the list, not just screwing people on trades. There are people on there for gouging, posting sources, reselling on yahoo and taking months to compelete trades(sound familiar?).

If CP as a group doesn't want people like KB to be on the list, that's your prerogative. I must say though, this kind of tolerance is very dangerous. I feel that it is much more important to protect your fellow members than to worry about a few hurt feelings.

Feel free to ask me anything you want about this situation. I have nothing to hide.

Cup
 
Just so everyone knows, I am not hiding or afraid to discuss my position on the matter.

I initially contacted Ormazd when this thread was first posted. At the time, the bad traders list was only for CF use. My point was, and is, that KB also trades on CF and that his bad form here is an equal risk to CF members as it is to CP members.

In a recent post, Harris mentioned that he would put bad CP traders on the bad traders list. Having seen that post, I contacted Ormazd about again, which is why Harris revived this thread.

I have been very open about my feelings for KB as a trader since this thread was started. I posted here in this thread several times about my dealings with him and why it bothers me so much. I also posted a link to this thread in KB's group buy thread. I did this to warn others about his trading habits. People decided to do the GB with him anyway, which is fine with me. If you want to trade with him, that is your choice, but as a board member who doesn't want to see anyone else get screwed, I feel that it is my responsibility to make sure people know who they are dealing with.

Cup
 
In light of this new information from the cup... I'm gonna have to change positions on this.

I thought this had all been taken care of. It hasn't.

Hang him.

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Cup,

How long have you been waiting on his end? I as well thought this was all taken care of.
 
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