Gamblers Anonymous

[SPIVY]

I was playing 1/2 No limit at Mohegan on friday. Had a good run. There was a guy at the table that had quad 10s and only won 50 or so. What a hand to waste.

That's because you were playing 1/2

Very true

 

[mrtapes]

STOGIE JOE WINS AT MOUNTAINEER TONIGHT

6th race - Mountaineer Casino Racetrack & Resort - March 01, 2009

Off at: 9:28 Race Type: Claiming
Age Restriction: Three Year Old and Upward
Value of Race: $9,700
Distance: Five Furlongs
Surface Type: Dirt Track Condition: Fast
Winning Time: 1:01.70
Pgm Horse Jockey Win Place Show
2 Stogie Joe Kenneth P. Deonauth 164.80 40.60 17.20

 

[miamipadronsmoker]

Jake this is one awesome looking pass. Thanks for putting this together Jake, your efforts really show. The humidity was at 65rh, so no adjustments needed. I inspected all the cigars and they looked great. The packaging is in good shape so I will be sending it in the same box.

13) Cohiba Maduro 5 Genios (2007) (P: BigJake6904, T:mps ) P: 40) Cohiba Siglo VI 08' (Sorry No Box Code)
18) H. Upmann Mag 46 (2007) (P: BigJake6904, T:mps) P: 41) Bolivar Belicoso Fino 07' TEB DIC 07
19) Illusione ~23~ Culebra (P: BigJake6904, T:mps ) P: 42) Diamond Crown Maximus TOA 2008
26) Montecristo C Edicion Limitada (2003) (P: BigJake6904, T: mps) P:43) Cohiba Piramide EL 06' POS NOV 06
27) Montecristo Edmundo (2006) (P: BigJake6904, T:mps)P: 44) Partagas 898 Varnished 04' NIP SEP 04
34) Tatuaje Cojonu 2003 (P: BigJake6904, T:mps)P: 45) Tatuaje Cojonu 2009

P: 46) Tatuaje Black (Cello Release)

For the first contest I put in a Litto Gomez Diez Chisel Puro
I took envelope number 17.

I'm ready to ship once I hear from Jamie because my stamps.com adds something to his address every time I try and print. There is also a discrepancy in the zip code listed in his profile and the one written in the pass documents. Other than that this baby is ready to hit the road. Thanks for letting me take part in this!

Tracking #: 9101010521297531689486

 

[bfisher88]

I'm driving to the casino 2 hours away. And then coming back cause I work at 8 in the morning. Terrible idea, and will update on the adventure when I get back and am hating life at work tomorrow.

 

[Dsav101]

Good luck man! Hope you can take the day off with your winnings

Don

 

[jy0567]

Ok let get some P/T's listed before the pass reaches me.

How about

T) #36 CAO Soprano Boss P)CAO Vision Prana

T)#10 Ashton VSG P) Liga Privada #9 Corona Doble

T) #1 Anejo #46 P) Padron #35 natural

T) #25 LFD Oscuro Mysterio P) LFD Double Ligero Limited Edition "A"


For the first contest im throwing in a Liga Privada Robusto Oscuro

And i'll take envelope 11 for the second contest.

 

[SPIVY]

Ok let get some P/T's listed before the pass reaches me.

How about

T) #36 CAO Soprano Boss P)CAO Vision Prana

T)#10 Ashton VSG P) Liga Privada #9 Corona Doble

T) #1 Anejo #46 P) Padron #35 natural

T) #25 LFD Oscuro Mysterio P) LFD Double Ligero Limited Edition "A"


For the first contest im throwing in a Liga Privada Robusto Oscuro

And i'll take envelope 11 for the second contest.

In my eyes they look good except the Anejo for Padron. But Jake has final call.

 

[BigJake6904]

All of the P/T's are acceptable MSRP wise. The padron's MSRP is $10 and the MSRP on the Anejo is $7.25

The put has a MSRP of $2.75 more than the take, though the put has no rarity. I stated at the beginning of the pass that I'd like input on controversial P/T's given the high end nature of the pass...to make it fair for everyone down the road as we have almost 30 participants. I could go either way on this. Personally, I feel that the $ difference would easily make up for the difference in rarity.

What are y'alls thoughts?

 

[SPIVY]

All of the P/T's are acceptable MSRP wise. The padron's MSRP is $10 and the MSRP on the Anejo is $7.25

The put has a MSRP of $2.75 more than the take, though the put has no rarity. I stated at the beginning of the pass that I'd like input on controversial P/T's given the high end nature of the pass...to make it fair for everyone down the road as we have almost 30 participants. I could go either way on this. Personally, I feel that the $ difference would easily make up for the difference in rarity.

What are y'alls thoughts?

I looked at the wrong price of the anejo. It looks good for me.

Ed

 

[insight]

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I had two bad beats that cumulatively lost me about $4,500 in two hands which have me away from the tables periodically, until I can convince myself that It wasn't my fault...but that I truly got donked on.

First Hand: I had KK in the hole, raised to about $60 pre flop at $2/$5, got re-raised from the second seat (I was under the gun in first position) to $180 and I flat called. Flop came 10,3,6....I was under the gun with two players behind, pot was about $550 at this point. Came out with a $400 bet, and was raised by the second seat to $800. Third guy folds, I call. Turn is a 5. I bet out $700 (kind of like a call me bet), and he thinks and thinks and thinks....then calls. So the pot is about $3550 at this point, and I only have about $500 left, so no matter what I'm going all in on the river with 7:1 odds. Well, river is an A. My heart sank....I knew, but pushed anyways in case he had JJ or QQ. Well, SOB had A10 :0 , top-top on the flop and calling down the most conservative player on the table to hit his 11% river. Disgusting...
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Second hand you got donked on so lets not talk about it. First hand there are a couple of plays I don't like, although UTG+1 clearly donked you there too. First, you got three bet by UTG+1 to 36BB (which is pretty gross) then smooth called when someone else cold called the action. I hate that play there because it lets in the unknown, why not at least thin the field so when the Ace hits you don't need to vomit? I would bump it to 5 or 6. The flop bet given the pre-flop action makes some sense but it is a weird line. What I mean is, you called the raise pre-flop I would assume to induce action on a weak flop and you got your weak flop. Why not bet 1/2 pot to get them to chase? Now, when your buddy in UTG+1 min-raises I think it is time to push right there. If you just call you have $1200 behind on the turn with a roughly $2100 pot. You are leading the turn so anything less than a push leaves you with not enough behind to matter. Unless you want to induce a bluff by check raising the turn I would rather commit on the flop, and if you re-raised PF you aren't going to be that worried about sets here either. Obviously you are giving up some of your equity since you are ahead often and can extract value later, but leaving yourself in a bad chip position doesn't do you any good either. You are ahead most of the time here so don't let him control the hand and see cards when he wants to. Pushing the flop forces him to commit while behind, where as your turn bet was only 1/3 pot (versus your almost 3/4 pot bet on the flop) and leaves you with nothing behind to control a scary river or make a solid value bet anyways. I don't think your play was bad, just inviting a suckout, but I also don't know some key info about the other players involved in the PF action that really affects which line to take.

 

[br174]

All of the P/T's are acceptable MSRP wise. The padron's MSRP is $10 and the MSRP on the Anejo is $7.25

The put has a MSRP of $2.75 more than the take, though the put has no rarity. I stated at the beginning of the pass that I'd like input on controversial P/T's given the high end nature of the pass...to make it fair for everyone down the road as we have almost 30 participants. I could go either way on this. Personally, I feel that the $ difference would easily make up for the difference in rarity.

What are y'alls thoughts?

Jake my thoughts are it's an acceptable trade as long as it works both ways. Can I take the Pan with an Anjeo 46? Just my .02

Brian

 

[BigJake6904]

Second hand you got donked on so lets not talk about it. First hand there are a couple of plays I don't like, although UTG+1 clearly donked you there too. First, you got three bet by UTG+1 to 36BB (which is pretty gross) then smooth called when someone else cold called the action. I hate that play there because it lets in the unknown, why not at least thin the field so when the Ace hits you don't need to vomit? I would bump it to 5 or 6. The flop bet given the pre-flop action makes some sense but it is a weird line. What I mean is, you called the raise pre-flop I would assume to induce action on a weak flop and you got your weak flop. Why not bet 1/2 pot to get them to chase? Now, when your buddy in UTG+1 min-raises I think it is time to push right there. If you just call you have $1200 behind on the turn with a roughly $2100 pot. You are leading the turn so anything less than a push leaves you with not enough behind to matter. Unless you want to induce a bluff by check raising the turn I would rather commit on the flop, and if you re-raised PF you aren't going to be that worried about sets here either. Obviously you are giving up some of your equity since you are ahead often and can extract value later, but leaving yourself in a bad chip position doesn't do you any good either. You are ahead most of the time here so don't let him control the hand and see cards when he wants to. Pushing the flop forces him to commit while behind, where as your turn bet was only 1/3 pot (versus your almost 3/4 pot bet on the flop) and leaves you with nothing behind to control a scary river or make a solid value bet anyways. I don't think your play was bad, just inviting a suckout, but I also don't know some key info about the other players involved in the PF action that really affects which line to take.

I definitely could have played the hand differenty, but with no flush and straight draws, I knew exactly where I was standing through the turn. Given the player that hit the river had been at the same table with me for a few hours, and it was pretty obvious I only took the aggressive stance when I had the best hand (I made sure players knew this by showing my hands, to prevent donks). So given I was playing ultra-tight against a player for a few hours, he knew that Top pair was no good here which was why it took him forever to call. After the hand was over he looked at me and said "I figured I was beat, I just figured I'd gamble there because I've won so much this weekend." When he said that, I realized that no matter how I played it, he probably would have called it anyways "just to see." Hence why I considered it a suck-out instead of using the loss to critique and analyze my play.

That's the positives and negatives of poker. In hindsight, you can always play hands differently and critique your play against people after being involved in pots with them. Poker is an ever-learning game, that's why I love it. Now, did I use that to my advantage later, knowing that he'd gamble with me....well, yes...he doubled me up from the min buy-in just a few hands later...when I shoved post-flop on him with AA.

Live and learn. :blush:

Jake my thoughts are it's an acceptable trade as long as it works both ways. Can I take the Pan with an Anjeo 46? Just my .02

Brian

Remember, this won't always be the case. Some passers are generous by nature...putting a cigar with rarity at the same value for a non-rare cigar, etc. For example, let's take Robbies P/T of the Cojonus. He took a 2003 Cojonu and put a 2009 Cojonu that currently can only be purchased directly at the factory by locals, and isn't even released yet to stores. The MSRP's here are probably similar...but given that this is an OR Cojonu, and not available yet....someone putting a Cojonu 2003 and taking the 2009 simply wouldn't work as the MSRP's are similar, and the rarity is on the take...not the put. So there is no $ amt. that can be used between these two cigars or this particular trade that would justify the trade working both ways.

Similarly, taking a Illusione ~2~ at roughly $8 and putting a Opus Perf #5 at $8 would not work both ways given the rarity of an Opus.

Now that being considered, Rarity on puts would make up for a $ differential in MSRP. How much? Well, we'll cross that bridge when we get there. My whole point is that P/T's won't always be able to "work both ways."

That being said...anybody have a problem with the:
T: Anejo 46 /// P: Padron #35

 

[mrtapes]

I see more of an issue with the:
T)#10 Ashton VSG P) Liga Privada #9 Corona Doble

but that's just because I think the liga privada sucks in comparison to the Enchantment.

 

[BigJake6904]

I see more of an issue with the:
T)#10 Ashton VSG P) Liga Privada #9 Corona Doble

but that's just because I think the liga privada sucks in comparison to the Enchantment.

The MSRP on the VSG was 11.22 and the MSRP on the Liga Privada is 10.76

So long as the put is no more than .50 below the take, I don't have a problem with it. In this case, it's .46 below and there is no rarity to consider, making it OK in my book.

We can't be biased on what we do and don't like, even though I'd smoke an Enchantment over a Liga Privada any day...some people do like them, it just doesn't fancy my palate either.

 

[BigJake6904]

Ok let get some P/T's listed before the pass reaches me.

How about

T) #36 CAO Soprano Boss P)CAO Vision Prana

T)#10 Ashton VSG P) Liga Privada #9 Corona Doble

T) #1 Anejo #46 P) Padron #35 natural

T) #25 LFD Oscuro Mysterio P) LFD Double Ligero Limited Edition "A"


For the first contest im throwing in a Liga Privada Robusto Oscuro

And i'll take envelope 11 for the second contest.

Well, given the input...all have been approved. I will update the first post this evening. Thanks for playing along!

 

[mrtapes]

I see more of an issue with the:
T)#10 Ashton VSG P) Liga Privada #9 Corona Doble

but that's just because I think the liga privada sucks in comparison to the Enchantment.

though I'd smoke an Enchantment over a Liga Privada any day...some people do like them, it just doesn't fancy my palate either.

That was basically my point. I didn't even bother to look up MSRP!
Glad all is working out. Just for the record, I wasn't looking for you to disapprove the put/take.

 

[BigJake6904]

I see more of an issue with the:
T)#10 Ashton VSG P) Liga Privada #9 Corona Doble

but that's just because I think the liga privada sucks in comparison to the Enchantment.

though I'd smoke an Enchantment over a Liga Privada any day...some people do like them, it just doesn't fancy my palate either.

That was basically my point. I didn't even bother to look up MSRP!
Glad all is working out. Just for the record, I wasn't looking for you to disapprove the put/take.

I know, we're on the same page bud.

 

[miamipadronsmoker]

Label/Receipt Number: 9101 0105 2129 7531 6894 86Status: DeliveredYour item was delivered at 11:16 AM on March 4, 2009 in ROME, GA 30165.

 

[BigJake6904]

Label/Receipt Number: 9101 0105 2129 7531 6894 86Status: DeliveredYour item was delivered at 11:16 AM on March 4, 2009 in ROME, GA 30165.

Yup, received confirmation that it was received. Thanks for the fast turn-around Robbie! We got a lot of passers to get through before summer. :thumbs:

 

[jy0567]

Pass is in hand and P/T's have been made. I will PM Darin to see if he is ready. If so, it will be headed his way tomorrow.

Thanks for having me in the pass Jake.