CP’s Cigars 201-2 Pass

[br174]

Pass has arrived!!!


I am going to go ahead and post my first P/T, but there'll be 1-2 more this evening. There's a lot information that was posted since I posted my question and so I need to get caught up(damn working in a school, with web filtering).


All prices were done by averaging available prices from the comparison sheet. If the cigar was proprietary release, then I just went with the store's price.

T: Tatuaje Petite Caz Reserva - $4.04
P: Don Pepin Firecracker (2guys smoke shop) - $3.99

T: Camacho Liberty 2007 w/Coffin - $14.50 (just went this Greg's Avg, but still open to discussion)
P: CAO Odyssey w/ Coffin - $14.00

T: Johnny-O Caz Shagfoot - $8.20
P: RyJ Short Churchill - $8.28

Look good to me...

 

[Nashkicker]

Man it would be nice if that firecracker made it this far. Been wanting to try one for a while now:whistling:

 

[jayro75]

My only question would be how far under the price of the take is acceptable for the price of the put? I know the difference between the Camacho and CAO is only $.50 but we should draw a line somewhere in my opinion.

 

[LarryH]

My only question would be how far under the price of the take is acceptable for the price of the put? I know the difference between the Camacho and CAO is only $.50 but we should draw a line somewhere in my opinion.

How about five percent. That would make it around $0.75 max for the Camacho. I don't think that's unreasonable on a $15 stick and I would be comfortable going a little more. If we make it to tight it will be harder to find trades.

 

[grateful1]

My only question would be how far under the price of the take is acceptable for the price of the put? I know the difference between the Camacho and CAO is only $.50 but we should draw a line somewhere in my opinion.

Are you putting for the right reasons!

 

[Nashkicker]

My only question would be how far under the price of the take is acceptable for the price of the put? I know the difference between the Camacho and CAO is only $.50 but we should draw a line somewhere in my opinion.

How about five percent. That would make it around $0.75 max for the Camacho. I don't think that's unreasonable on a $15 stick and I would be comfortable going a little more. If we make it to tight it will be harder to find trades.

If every trade was done this way that $15 cigar could trade down to a $10 cigar! I think Gary nailed it when he said it comes down to integrity.

 

[jayro75]

My only question would be how far under the price of the take is acceptable for the price of the put? I know the difference between the Camacho and CAO is only $.50 but we should draw a line somewhere in my opinion.

Are you putting for the right reasons!

To be a high roller Gary!


I wish I was little bit taller,
I wish I was a baller
I wish I had a girl who looked good
I would call her
I wish I had a rabbit in a hat with a bat
and a '64 Impala

 

[massphatness]

My only question would be how far under the price of the take is acceptable for the price of the put? I know the difference between the Camacho and CAO is only $.50 but we should draw a line somewhere in my opinion.

How about five percent. That would make it around $0.75 max for the Camacho. I don't think that's unreasonable on a $15 stick and I would be comfortable going a little more. If we make it to tight it will be harder to find trades.

If every trade was done this way that $15 cigar could trade down to a $10 cigar! I think Gary nailed it when he said it comes down to integrity.

Can I assume trading up is no issue?

 

[Kingantz]

My only question would be how far under the price of the take is acceptable for the price of the put? I know the difference between the Camacho and CAO is only $.50 but we should draw a line somewhere in my opinion.

How about five percent. That would make it around $0.75 max for the Camacho. I don't think that's unreasonable on a $15 stick and I would be comfortable going a little more. If we make it to tight it will be harder to find trades.

If every trade was done this way that $15 cigar could trade down to a $10 cigar! I think Gary nailed it when he said it comes down to integrity.

Lots of good questions and good discussion! I like it!

T: Tatuaje Petite Caz Reserva - $4.04
P: Don Pepin Firecracker (2guys smoke shop) - $3.99

T: Camacho Liberty 2007 w/Coffin - $14.50 (just went this Greg's Avg, but still open to discussion)
P: CAO Odyssey w/ Coffin - $14.00

T: Johnny-O Caz Shagfoot - $8.20
P: RyJ Short Churchill - $8.28

Being that there was no real set price on the Camacho, just an average from a few old prices found online, I think we're good with that one. The first and third are good to go as well, excellent job there Julius!

I would really prefer to stay away from puts being under, or even over, as much as possible, and if they are to not make it too far of a stretch. I know it may make it harder/more difficult to trade for something you're really wanting, and this being a 201 pass I'll keep it a little less strict as far as trades. Just be fair and keep in mind this is not only a chance to get something decent you may like, but to leave something decent for the next guy to try.

 

[Nashkicker]

My only question would be how far under the price of the take is acceptable for the price of the put? I know the difference between the Camacho and CAO is only $.50 but we should draw a line somewhere in my opinion.

How about five percent. That would make it around $0.75 max for the Camacho. I don't think that's unreasonable on a $15 stick and I would be comfortable going a little more. If we make it to tight it will be harder to find trades.

If every trade was done this way that $15 cigar could trade down to a $10 cigar! I think Gary nailed it when he said it comes down to integrity.

Can I assume trading up is no issue?

Not all the time! And I would also say that there is a limit as to what is acceptable.

 

[Gavin]

If you're under on one Take/Put, and over on another, does it balance things out? If I take a seven dollar cigar and an eight dollar cigar, is putting a six dollar and nine dollar cigar acceptable? Do we judge based on the sum of the Take/Puts or on each individual Take/Put?
At the end of the day though, we need to feel like Greg is getting back a package that is just as great as the one he sent out, if not better. If not, we'll all run out of people willing to host a pass.

 

[grateful1]

Can I assume trading up is no issue?

Not all the time! And I would also say that there is a limit as to what is acceptable.

!!!!!!CLICK ME!!!!!

 

[LarryH]

I think each trade should be considered separately. I also think it would not look good if all of your trades were in your favor but if were keeping it to within a few cents it probably doesn't matter. The law of averages should apply to the pass as a whole where about half of all trades will favor Greg and the other half will favor the participants and be roughly equal.Then again most of us are likely to put better than we take. After all, this is CigarPass. :thumbs:

 

[PhatCat]

I would think consider each T/P separately.

I can understand that a person would natrually want to "overput" in the pass whether that be for the benefit of the host or just the next BOTL(s) in line to receive the pass. But seems like it could go overboard.

I would hope people stay pretty equal in their T/Ps.


That was a good link, G1. I remember reading that when it was originally posted. ETA: Which shows generosity should not be frowned upon when done for the right reasons.

Bill

 

[4cbln3]

Some of us were involved in Greg's Newbie pass 101 and it was made strict so we learn how to properly calculate and debate P/T's without offending anyone. I, for one, had a hella time trying to stay within 50 cents of some cigars. I had cigars some may want to try out, but not within 50 cents of some of the Puts before me. I really had to take pen to paper on that one.

This pass has a melting pot of pass veterans and newbies, so I think we'll see a lot of discussion amongst members. All good for the learning curve.

Actually, what I really want to say is I hope the tat black jar release makes it to me! :sign:

 

[Kingantz]

This has been awesome and we're just getting started! Really good stuff all, keep it up!

I've updated the cigar list, if any more to go Julius just put 'em up there and I'll adjust.

Since Los has bowed out, I'm going to add one more student to the class/pass. Everyone welcome Ben (Modo22) to the line up! I've added him to the list between Phatcat and Par 3 Cigars.

Julius - Not sure if you've already packed the pass up, however in case you haven't as yet, I'm sending you Ben's addy and if you would please jot it down on the addy list included. Phatcat, please take note that you will now be sending to Ben when the time comes.

Welcome Ben!

 

[PJ the Comic]

Ok then, the link from Gary made for interesting reading.

First did we include a host bag in this pass? If not I would like to suggest we do so. Besides hosting this pass Greg does a bunch for the community and I would like to thank him CP style. Without adding a bunch to this rookie pass.

Now I think the over puts are going to be tough, but as stated it does come down to integrity. I think if you are over on one put, you might think about an under put so your individual effort is even for the pass. With the host bag then a little something something could be passed along the way.

Just my .02


PJ

 

[br174]

OK. Like to throw these out so people can check them out.

T. RyJ Escudos EL 07 $12.66
P. Boli Petit Beli EL 09$12.15

T. PAM Exclusivo$10.90
P. Viaje Platino Reserva$10.80

T. RA Beli RE 2010(cause I want to try this stick)$13.00
P. Boli Simones RE 07 (OR)$20.00

There are a couple more like to grab. Love that Sir Winston(08) off hand I know I have a SLR Churchill (01) no draw issues yet, and a H Upmann Monarch I believe is an (02) but without reseach I think they are under.



Brian

 

[LarryH]

I'd like to recommend everyone append the prices they've come up with to the end of each T/P to make it easier to compare.

 

[jayro75]

OK. Like to throw these out so people can check them out.

T. RyJ Escudos EL 07
P. Boli Petit Beli EL 09

T. PAM Exclusivo
P. Viaje Platino Reserva

T. RA Beli RE 2010(cause I want to try this stick)
P. Boli Simones RE 07 (OR)

There are a couple more like to grab. Love that Sir Winston(08) off hand I know I have a SLR Churchill (01) no draw issues yet, and a H Upmann Monarch I believe is an (02) but without reseach I think they are under.

Brian

They look good to me Brian. Off the top of my head The SLR and Monarch may be off for the Sir Winnie but like you I haven't done the research.