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Closing the Gamelover thread?

PuroBrat said:
I ain't changing who I am for you or anyone else.
PB, you can't change who you are no more than I could change who I am. You've well documented who you are.

I'm not scrutinizing you just stating facts. I'll let other scruntinize. The facts were in on this guy well after you continued to call the others trolls and stand by this guy.
 
How about you 2 meet at the jungle gym after school today @ 5:15? I'll bring the popcorn.

Let the s**t be done. We both know how you feel.
 
I don't think I'll be meeting Kenny after school. You see, I have met him. I am allergic to getting my A$$ kicked :lookup:

I never used the word Troll as far as I can recall ??? But the fact is, I would still be standing up for the guy, if he had not lied about the past. That is when I dropped it. You see, I don't care about what a guy HAS Done, only what he intends to do. and lying about what one has done, tells me there is no desire to do any differently. That is that.

You see, it is not a matter of when other people are convinced, it is a matter of when I am convinced. To turn on a brother until the latter condition has been met is what I call ChickenS**t.

You should have seen me work the room when I served on the Jury in a Murder Trial!! :0 Was a very interesting week.
 
gibu> lighten up, I see the veins in your neck popping, sheesh Just because you agree with someone's methods and I don't, it doesn't mean I am critisizing them, any more than it means you are climbing in bed with them. Do you get this upset anytime someone dissagrees with you? Sad very sad. Have a beer before you blow a gasket

PB, Just back the heck up here for a second. I have no problem being disagreed with and I really don't think my motives are in question here. All of my posts on this subject have been very diplomatic and open to the sugestion that he may indeed be looking for a fresh start here. You on the other hand PM'd this to me right after I first began the Lobby thread on GL.
you should know that Van55 is a troublemaking **** stirrer who will seek out everything he can find to support his theories and never point out things that shoot it down.

Gamelover got a bad rap on Cigarwise and Van was enfluential in spreading that to CA and CW. He tried to do the same basic thing to me, I am surprised he hasn't done that here as well.

I would not recommend spreading Van's filth and hurting a good guys rep on CP, it ain't right and it ain't fair. He started a PIF here and it is going well and everyone is happy with it, tho that will change I am sure, now that VAN has had his say here. I am surprised that you would allow Van to influence you so deeply
Your motives are the ones that should be questioned I would say. Were you defending GL just because you don't like Van55?? You were making statements like this
I give up!! Do any of you guys even think of questioning the Motives of the New arrivals? Or do you for the most part, just fall in line?
in the same thread, on the same page even, way down below were GL wrote the lie that now has you no longer defending him.

Just so everyone knows, PB has now in fact recinded his previous suport for GL.
Steve, I am gonna have to back out of this PIF.

You see, I only got in it because I was standing by you in the mess, and decided to put my money where my mouth was. But boy, you lied about the mess.

You said you never traded with Van and I remember myself when you sent him a PIF package. And you DID post on Cigar Wise, I remember reading those posts. Your post count there now is 0 because they were all deleted.

As I told the others, I stand behind a guy till he proves he isn't deserving of my trust. I don't back liars

So please drop me from the participant list.

So yea PB, just what are your motivations here?? You continued to attack others for warning us about the guy well after the point were he lied.
 
Van was a victim of GL's vicious attacks and lies and if I were Van, I'd track the SOB down as well.

GL is his own worst enemy.......
 
bfreebern said:
How about you 2 meet at the jungle gym after school today @ 5:15?
Hey PB, did this newbie tiara wearing whippersnapper just slam us? :0
 
gibu, PMs are used for reasons. I meant what I said, but it wasn't for public consumption.

However:
I do think GL got a bad rap on other boards (tho now I see it was deserved)
I also think Van55 is a Sh*t stirrer, but his intentions are honorable.

After my post that you quoted above I did a little more research on CWise and remembered having seen his posts there. Thus concluding that he was lying, I resended my support.

My concience (sp?) is clean. My motives in what I did was simply to stand by a brother until I determined he was wrong. Nothing else. If my motive had been to discredit Van, that PM I sent you would have been echoed by myself in public.

I will say that I have NEVER takin a PM sent to me and made it public. That is just wrong.
 
Allofus123 said:
bfreebern said:
How about you 2 meet at the jungle gym after school today @ 5:15?
Hey PB, did this newbie tiara wearing whippersnapper just slam us? :0
Might have, but I must say I, for one, had it coming ???

I love it when newbies get involved in the community :thumbs: :p
 
PuroBrat said:
If my motive had been to discredit Van, that PM I sent you would have been echoed by myself in public.
PB, please stop...... the hole just gets bigger. Are you really saying that you were not trying to discredit Van to Gibu?

I challenge you to support your statements in that PM about Van. Remember, facts now, only the facts to support your accusations.
 
Allofus123 said:
bfreebern said:
How about you 2 meet at the jungle gym after school today @ 5:15?
Hey PB, did this newbie tiara wearing whippersnapper just slam us? :0
LMAO @ Kenny!!

Yeah watch out bfreebern, you just may have a couple of Texans at your door someday soon asking ya to "come out and play" :0

:sign:
 
Allofus123 said:
PuroBrat said:
If my motive had been to discredit Van, that PM I sent you would have been echoed by myself in public.
PB, please stop...... the hole just gets bigger. Are you really saying that you were not trying to discredit Van to Gibu?

I challenge you to support your statements in that PM about Van. Remember, facts now, only the facts to support your accusations.
Oh there is no doubt that I was trying to get gibu to look a little less favorable at Van55 and what he had to say.

But the motives I was referring to (and what I imagined that gibu was as well) were my motives for standing by GL, and they were as stated. I did NOT do that to make Van look bad. That was however, exactly the motivation behind the PM to gibu

Van> I am sorry that what was said in private was made public. I will say that my opinion of you has changed somewhat over the last 24 hours, not that you care what I think about you. But as I stated, I still see you as a S**t stirrer, I just now see that the stirring has a noble purpose.

Kenny> as far as showing the facts that support the PM, I do not actually have time to search for them, as I am leaving town for the weekend. Furthermore I doubt that I would find a lot left to support it. Nor do I really WANT to support that any longer. The PM was my opinion at the time I wrote it. My opinion has changed.
 
I kinda took a liking to Van55 right away :p

I like him even MORE now that he gave me the details on how to get my best-friend-in-the-world (Shushi) on the "SCUMBAG" list.

I owe ya Van55 ;)
 
PB,

I do think GL got a bad rap on other boards (tho now I see it was deserved)
What do you mean by this? How can a person "deserve" a bad rap? Is it a kharma thing or something?

I also think Van55 is a Sh*t stirrer, but his intentions are honorable.
Which is it here? How can a person be both? Do they have valid points that need brought up and discussed, or ar they just stirring the sh*t?

I'm glad your finnally comming to your sences on GL, but I wonder what your motivations are on that? Why all of a suddon see the light long after the lie he told here on our own site? Why turn on him all of a suddon long after the facts from our own site were in.? What are your motivations there?

Also, why ignore the evidence of wrong doing here on our site from so many of our own long standing members? Why stick up for him despite the warning rased by so many others?

You can try to back track all you want, and I can relax and drink all the beer I want, but that won't hide the fact that were still sticking up for him and trying to put the blame elswere long after the facts were indeed in. Don't try and blame the rest of us because you keep backing the wrong horse for your own misguided and dubious reasons.
 
You were told to ask me what your opinions were. See the trouble you get in when you don't. :0
 
PuroBrat said:
I still think when a bunch of people start posting negative stuff about a guy, it is an attack, true or not. And besides, there are far too many people around who will blindly follow those people whether the facts are factual or not. So attack is the word I would use, justifiable? maybe, but attack none the less.

Did the US not attack Japan on August 6, 1945, did we not attack Osama Bin Laden in Afganastan? Yes, attack is exactly the right word, however justified. As for the "dude" I never said he was "okay" and my "judgement chip" is just fine, Thanks. :)
I MUST take exception to the use of the word "attack" in the context of Japan and Afghanistan.

When one speaks of attack, what they generally refer to is a "first strike".

PB, in both of these above scenerio's, the United States were enacting a "Response" TO BEING attacked.

When attacked by Japan (Pearl Harbor) a National Tragedy, and Afghanistan-Os Bin Laden(World Trade Center Bombing 1991?) (World Trade Center Terrorist ATTACK Sept 11 2001)-(Pentagon Terrorist ATTACK)etc..., (USS Cole bombing), (U.S. Marine Base Bombing)etc.......... the United States Government and Military had the DUTY and OBLIGATION to respond with the full force and energy of the U.S. Armed Forces, both quickly and decisively.

To not respond just encourages the attacker to continue the attacks. To not respond in at least a defensive manor would be failing the duties placed on Government to protect and defend the people of the United States of America.

I respect your right to be a pacifist, but please do not attempt to revise history, not on my watch!

We now return to our regular programming, pass the popcorn! :D
 
If we kicked ass more often and not politicize it, the world would be a better place!



Jim
 
Sooooo, PB, you hacked up my friend Van?? You've got some nerve calling somebody a $hi+s+irrer. I've known Van for nearly 2 years on several different boards and have never known him to engage in the petty crap you seem to think he's guilty of. Quite the contrary actually, he has been the voice of reason in many dust ups I have witnessed and often sided with the guy getting pummeled. Now that he's a mod on another board it's rare when he even gets involved in anything like this.
Let's talk about you PB. I don't believe for a second that your motives for ALWAYS siding with the bad guys are purely honorable. I think you like the attention. If anybody is a $hi+s+irrer...

NA
 
sleepyjim said:
If we kicked ass more often and not politicize it, the world would be a better place!



Jim
Well put sir, some of us realize that freedom isn't free.
Someone has to have the guts to make the calls and take the heat! On this forum people tend to protect the honor and integrity of the group, while others will put the blame on "society" for the inscrupulous actions of the few bad apples.

I'm proud to be a member here, where people are held up to standards, and taken to task in a civil manor. I think most of the members realize what they have got here, and it keeps them honest.

JV
 
Gamelover got a bad rap on Cigarwise and Van was enfluential in spreading that to CA and CW. He tried to do the same basic thing to me, I am surprised he hasn't done that here as well.

PuroBrat, I don't know you from Adam. What have I tried to do to you? Do you post by another name elsewhere?

For the record, when Steven first jumped on the PIF thread at CigarWise the guy he "mooched" from, Partagasauraus, didn't want to send him the sticks. As a moderator there I insisted that Partagasaurus honor the deal and send him the smokes. I got a nice thank you from Steven for doing that. It was only after Steven showed a pattern of mooching quality cigars and sending crap that I pointed out the facts in CigarWise. I never posted a word about him at Cigar Aficionado.

PuroBrat, please copy and paste here for all to witness anything I have ever said that was negative about you. If I am mistaken and said something about you, I'd like to know what it was and have the chance to correct it if I was in error.

Thanks, gibu.
 
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