Brian, I like you and respect your right to be involved with any cigar board that you wish. As I mentioned in my post, I don't know why CW is on the list. Frankly, I don't care. What I do understand (after Tommy's post) is why others have issues with CW.
Sorry Steve,
I should have taken out your part of the quote.
As far as CW being on the Scumbag List, the issues people have with CW are in question.
I have been on several boards of varying types. I have discovered that when someone has a gripe or an ax to grind with a BB, it is usually because they could not keep within the rules of that BB. And as a result they were kicked out. Regardless of how they feel about the rules, they are a guest of that BB, and as such should abide by the rules. Like it or not, the rules are established by the owner(s) of the BB to allow the BB to run as THEY see fit to have it run.
The Scumbag List was created for the purpose of entering names of INDIVIDUALS who were found to be BAD TRADERS or SCUMBAGS. If you look at the list, it is a compilation of names of people who have committed some transgression for any number of reasons having to do with the buying, trading or selling of cigars.
These are examples of what some have done:
- Gave bogus credit card numbers to vendor (twice), and refused to make good.
- Questionable business practices and poor customer service.
- Delinquent on several trades at CigarWise and elsewhere.
- History of very long delays on trades.
- Stiffed members on Katrina Auction cigars at Cigar Pass
- Was over 2 months late on Lotto Cigar event Info is from Cigarsnobs.com
- Traded fake Cohibas
- Ripped off svb and Bob K
- Wrote bad check and failed to make good on transaction.
- Traded / sold fake Cubans
- Ripped off CFers
- Ripped off CFers (XF15-Loader and Detox-VI) on trades
Names were added because people were bad traders ripping off others, or were delinquent on payment, or for one of any number of other reasons.
This is what is posted about CW:
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Providing aid and comfort to scumbags everywhere in the interest of "civility." Spineless hypocrites who delete user accounts of those who dare to speak against their methods. NOTE: Banned me from their site for adding them to this list. LOL"
The entry about CW has nothing to do with buying, trading or selling cigars. Apparently someone had an ax to grind with CW because he couldn't follow or simply did not like the rules. And this was his recourse. It was used as a last resort to get back at the moderators of CW.
Frankly, it is an arbitrary, superfluous entry that has no comparative value to the other entries as it was posted as someone's "sour grapes". I don't know how anyone can take it seriously unless it is used as a move to justify his or her means to an end. It has no meaning or worth except to those who wish to lend justification to personal satisfaction.