Time to find a better source?

[pembroke3355]

I tell you what since your paitence is wearing so thin I just show myself to the door and leave you to your board. I'll go try and learn what I can on my own.

F*ck you. Goodbye!

That really added alot to this thread WOW. I am still trying to find where this guy insulted anyone to deserve this. Ok he did not do a search maybe cutting him some slack or suggesting even maybe linking him to a thread with advise on how to use the search function(some newbs may actually not be good at search terms. Maybe he missed it in the rules . Possibly he could have thought it may just be easier to ask.) Doc gave good advise and BBS and Jfields were also helpful. The guy did not take Docs advise. I did not see him insult Doc. To beat down a newb because of this post is really sad. I thought Rod made a post about about this very recently but what the hell do I know. ???

 

[Smokyballs]

Sneeds on the rag again!

 

[Bsneed51]

I tell you what since your paitence is wearing so thin I just show myself to the door and leave you to your board. I'll go try and learn what I can on my own.

F*ck you. Goodbye!

That really added alot to this thread WOW. I am still trying to find where this guy insulted anyone to deserve this. Ok he did not do a search maybe cutting him some slack or suggesting even maybe linking him to a thread with advise on how to use the search function(some newbs may actually not be good at search terms. Maybe he missed it in the rules . Possibly he could have thought it may just be easier to ask.) Doc gave good advise and BBS and Jfields were also helpful. The guy did not take Docs advise. I did not see him insult Doc. To beat down a newb because of this post is really sad. I thought Rod made a post about about this very recently but what the hell do I know. ???

Didn't add a thing. Probably could have handled it better, but I didn't. I guess we all make mistakes and look for redemption huh?

 

[sonuvabum]

Empirical learning, although expensive, can be very effective

Doc.

Or as I have said to my kids many times,
"Lessons learned hard, are lessons learned best".

 

[Gavin]

Today may be an off day for striving towards that 'Friendliest Cigar Forum' moniker. Let's try to do better tomorrow.

DadnLex, if you hang around long enough to read this: Scissors suck, imho. Punch or cutter! That may have been a factor, along with the RH, like the guys said. Or yes, could just be poor construction. But I've had poorly constructed cigars from Fuente and Padron at this point and I like a good Punch on occasion! For what it's worth.

 

[B.HOBS]

I agree with Gavin, there has been some bashing of the horns in the forums, but honestly... I have been kinda peeved at the kind of stuff being posted in trigger happy fashion. It takes some serious patience to keep a level head with all the utterly BASIC questions being asked...So I can easily understand the quick asshat trigger from the regulars who are getting irritated...

I tried to give some help on the first response in this thread, but it got way outta hand before I could get any other thoughts in. Oh well - Tomorrow is another day! :thumbs:

 

[souldog]

My head hurts sometimes from reading some of the ridiculous things on this damn site, including much of my own. I'm sick of seeing good solid FOGs offering good solid advice to one week wonders, only to have it slapped away due to their own sense of entitled pride. It is a bunch of bullshit that I'm sick of seeing.

New Guy, you claim you're here to "learn" all you can? With this latest post I cry foul. Way to really take the advice from an experienced cigar smoker. Your idiotic logic seems to point to that you would rather listen to someones advice, hmm and haw about it, then "check" their facts on google?!? Sweet lord, how the hell did you learn anything before google came about? You're just crying in your beer because you feel Doc insulted your precious cigar that you have NEVER even smoked, and this is of your own admission!!

Come back when you decide to grow thicker skin. I can't imagine that Doc even wasted a post on you. No wonder he's a grumpy bastard, because he's sick of the newbie-know-it-alls of the week asking a question, then having his well thought out answer thrown back into his face. Unfreaking real.

 

[pembroke3355]

My head hurts sometimes from reading some of the ridiculous things on this damn site, including much of my own. I'm sick of seeing good solid FOGs offering good solid advice to one week wonders, only to have it slapped away due to their own sense of entitled pride. It is a bunch of bullshit that I'm sick of seeing.

New Guy, you claim you're here to "learn" all you can? With this latest post I cry foul. Way to really take the advice from an experienced cigar smoker. Your idiotic logic seems to point to that you would rather listen to someones advice, hmm and haw about it, then "check" their facts on google?!? Sweet lord, how the hell did you learn anything before google came about? You're just crying in your beer because you feel Doc insulted your precious cigar that you have NEVER even smoked, and this is of your own admission!!

Come back when you decide to grow thicker skin. I can't imagine that Doc even wasted a post on you. No wonder he's a grumpy bastard, because he's sick of the newbie-know-it-alls of the week asking a question, then having his well thought out answer thrown back into his face. Unfreaking real.

Poor Doc he has seen it thousands of time more than most of us LOL. I probably should not have posted all I did in Brents direction as I know how he felt. I just felt sorry for this poor guy.

 

[DirtyDave]

Poor Doc he has seen it thousands of time more than most of us LOL. I probably should not have posted all I did in Brents direction as I know how he felt. I just felt sorry for this poor guy.

Honestly this guy barely got any grief. I've seen people become contributing members after way worse. I guess his skin just wasn't thick enough for the internet...

 

[Spanishcedar]

I tell you what since your paitence is wearing so thin I just show myself to the door and leave you to your board. I'll go try and learn what I can on my own.

NO... Don't leave!

Wisdom is not gained on your own my friend, that is foolishness. Don't get in bed with lady folly. Wisdom is gained by listening from generations of people. Those generations are on this forum.

We like you enough to answer your questions and you need us; almost as much as we need you.

There's not enough patience in this world to go around, don't include yourself as part of the depleting supply. Take the hits, get up, think about it, pull up your undies, act like you've got a pair, and put this forum back on your favorites.

You caught us on a bad day, patience runs out, as it is a virtue. This forum is loaded with awesome people with sh*t-tons of knowledge about cigars, and we want to give it to YOU. This forum will teach you everything you ever wanted to know and things you never thought to wonder.

We won't cater to your every need; however, we will provide all of the resources you need to give you superb knowledge and etiquette of smoking and storing cigars.

Stick around... you'll learn.

Why do some cigars unravel?

This is really a pretty common problem among all cigars except it should happen less with better premiums. Wrappers usually peel for two reasons: Either they were not properly wrapped at the factory in the first place, or the cigar has become dry. In the latter case, the wrapper may not have enough elasticity to cling to the binder. Be careful when you clip the cigar, too. If the wrapper is peeling at the head you can often repair it by just moistening it with your tongue. If the wrapper starts peeling from the lit end, or continues to do so even after you moisten it, you can trash it or remove the wrapper. But smoking a peeling wrapper can get pretty messy and since the wrapper contributes so much to the flavor of the cigar, smoking a cigar without it is not just unattractive, it's just plain yucky. - Cigaradvisor.com

 

[MadMonk]

Having smoked many cabs of the Punch Rothschild and when I say many, I'm talking at least 10 50 count boxes of them.
I can say they have always had a problem unraveling. I know my cigars and how to store them. After such a extensive background with them, the source you bought them from could be fine. I've also toured their factory down in Danli, Honduras and the QC on them is pretty bad. I still love a Punch Rothschild till this day. I will bash any cigar if the QC sucks. Just look at some of my Opus X reviews and I don't know anyone that is a big a whore of Opus X than myself. I've bashed plenty of Opus X and I will still buy them.

I had similar thoughts on this. I have a soft spot for Punch, Excalibur, and El Rey del Mundo. And yes, the caps often do come loose. I moisten my tips very well, and I use Palio or Xikar cutters. That said, I can't remember any unravelling to the point making the cigar unsmokeable. I also only smoke about a box of each, on a good year, and I smoke at least a box of cigars a week. Why? I like certain things about them, and they fill a sort of nostalgic soft spot for ME. I personally would never, ever, say that they are top shelf cigars.

You have to smoke what you like, and there is a differance between what you like, and any particular brand's quality, image, reputation, etc. Therefore, taking a learned, but critical comment personally, i.e., letting it upset you personally, and then becoming abrasive, is not really necessary. The cigar was put into it's proper perspective.
That is what you get from experienced smokers. You can go, and I promise you that no one will miss you. You can stay, read the rules, understand the culture and protocols, and you have a chance to enrich your life. For what cost? patience, restraint, and an ability to really listen until the lightbulb goes off.

The holy grail in the cigar world is the perfect cigar for 3 bucks. Many of us enjoy that hunt. Many will give you an example, like you Padron Delicias, 2000, and 3000 fitting into that category. If 3 dollar cigars were really that good, folks on this site might not be buying as many 200 plus dollar Top shelf boxes of Fuente, Padron, La Flor, etc. Yea, General sells a crap load of cigars, to a market segment. When have you heard that Punch Rothschilds were backordered for 3 months. So, we have differant segments. You find what you like, and be secure in it. Let other be secure in theirs, as well. And never, ever, take a critical comment on a cigar personally. We all know better.

 

[MadMonk]

My head hurts sometimes......

Jon, with all sincerity; if I had a head like that, mine would hurt too!

:sign:

 

[JHolmes763]

• Which side of the cap did you cut through? You only need to clip a tiny bit off the head of the cigar. Enough to get a good draw.
• What cutter are you using?
• Is it very sharp?
• Was the cigar crunchy or supple (dry or moist?)

Yeah, I only clip off what is needed to smoke the cigar, as far as the cutter it was a siscors type cutter that was on the counter. As far as dry or moist I can't say that I know exactly how dry or moist a good cigar looks like so I can't say for sure.

Bad humidity possibly. Was there a RH monitor in the humidor?

As a matter of fact I did not see one. As far as humidors go the store has a bunch of cases with glass doors that slide to open. Again not enough expirence to say how a good store stores them.

What's the name of the B&M?

Olde Towne Tobacconist

Let's not make this anymore complicated than it is. First of all, NC Punch cigars, like all of General Cigar Co. cigars, are one step above yard gars. Two, it sounds like you or the clerk didn't wet the cap before cutting. You have to moisten the cap before you put the cutter to it, otherwise, it's apt to do what it did to you.

Doc.

Okay, I'll put you down as one who doesn't like Punch cigars or any from General however I am sure there are an equal number of people who would be apt to disagree. I have a four pack of El Rey De Mundo cigars coming tomorrow that I am going to try regardless of the fact they are from General.

As for moistening the cap I will say that is a new one for me. I have been searching the net but haven't found a reference for it. Interesting never the less.

Tom

You won't find them here.

We've had a lot of newb know- it- alls latley and to be honest my patience is wearing thin, but if you've found no reference to moistening the cap and a general disdain for General Cigars, you're looking in the wrong places for your information. You can smoke whatever you like and I could care less. Some people need and want to make their own mistakes and that's just fine. Empirical learning, although expensive, can be very effective

Doc.

I don't think he was coming across as a know-it-all, Doc. He's right in that lots of people do like General cigars. They're obviously selling. Hell, lots of people like acids, too. You just don't find people like that here. Doesn't make it wrong (in the moral sense) to try 'em.

I think the know-it-all line could have been left out. If you don't have the patience for this, then maybe you shouldn't reply in newb threads. I know you have a grumpy old man image to maintain, though... I'd be unfortunate to hear someone speak this way to a new guy entering a B&M who just doesn't know anything yet. Kind of a wasted argument on someone this thin-skinned, though. His loss, indeed.

-John

 

[Devil Doc]

Your right John, I should have been more careful. I really,really cut him to the quick with that know-it-all newb remark. How could I've been so thoughtless. How was I to know he was such a sensitive 44 yr old man. Listen, if it were my intent to drive someone out of here, I'm sure I could have come up with something better than know-it-all newb.
My advice to newbs is, if you don't like the suggestions a member gives you, keep your damn mouth shut and wait awhile. Surely, someone will come along with advice more to your liking.

Doc.

 

[jfields]

My head hurts sometimes from reading some of the ridiculous things on this damn site, including much of my own. I'm sick of seeing good solid FOGs offering good solid advice to one week wonders, only to have it slapped away due to their own sense of entitled pride. It is a bunch of bullshit that I'm sick of seeing.

New Guy, you claim you're here to "learn" all you can? With this latest post I cry foul. Way to really take the advice from an experienced cigar smoker. Your idiotic logic seems to point to that you would rather listen to someones advice, hmm and haw about it, then "check" their facts on google?!? Sweet lord, how the hell did you learn anything before google came about? You're just crying in your beer because you feel Doc insulted your precious cigar that you have NEVER even smoked, and this is of your own admission!!

Come back when you decide to grow thicker skin. I can't imagine that Doc even wasted a post on you. No wonder he's a grumpy bastard, because he's sick of the newbie-know-it-alls of the week asking a question, then having his well thought out answer thrown back into his face. Unfreaking real.

Eh! Some people ask for advice, but really don't want it if they don't like what you had to say. Doc more than likely did us all a favor.

 

[Jonesy]

Your right John, I should have been more careful. I really,really cut him to the quick with that know-it-all newb remark. How could I've been so thoughtless. How was I to know he was such a sensitive 44 yr old man. Listen, if it were my intent to drive someone out of here, I'm sure I could have come up with something better than know-it-all newb.
My advice to newbs is, if you don't like the suggestions a member gives you, keep your damn mouth shut and wait awhile. Surely, someone will come along with advice more to your liking.

Doc.

C'mon Doc....you coulda done a helluva lot better than this response! Remember, you have a "Grumpy Old Man" image to uphold!

 

[JHolmes763]

I didn't say you were out of line, just that your point could have been made just as easily without that line, Doc. You're not above being critiqued.

-John

 

[Bsneed51]

Doc,
JHolmes is probably right. You should just save yourself the effort of posting in newbs threads. Instead you should save your time earned wisdom for some of us not-so-newbs like Souldog. Hell he’s still a know-it-all, but he at least has the decency to listen to what you have to say without the attitude and to keep his mouth shut (well kinda) when he doesn’t agree. Hell Doc, I’ll listen to your advice, and trust most of it. I’m old enough now to know that I don’t know it all, and that there might just be someone out there with more time invested that knows more than me. The older I get the more I even start to realize that my dad really did know what he was talking about after all, and if I had just listened I could have saved myself from a lot of costly mistakes.

 

[Devil Doc]

Are you soft???!!! Holmes right? That lubber's riggin' has been fouled in his hatch since he got here.

Doc.

 

[souldog]

Are you soft???!!! Holmes right? That lubber's riggin' has been fouled in his hatch since he got here.

Doc.

Nah Doc, ol' Sneeds here is just trying to kiss your ass so he can access to your sweet LP collection...