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Some guy thinks this is plume
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CigarStone
For once, knowledge is making me poor!
Who is guy?
CigarStone
For once, knowledge is making me poor!
Some random guy on face book
If you are asking if something is plume....you really don't have to ask.
jfields
Where did all my money go?
REPORTED!
cohibasurfer
one day older than dirt
That's an Opus X, not a Caldwell. DUH.
smellysell
Go Vols!!!
Can't ever see mention of plume without thinking of your micro-biologist buddy.
Gavin
Well-Known Member
You’re a 42 ring gauge too?
#ringbrothers.
CigarStone
For once, knowledge is making me poor!
Hey, that was a 90 ring gauge with trick photography!
Best treatise on the subject I've found. Despite common lore, "plume" or "bloom" or whatever you call it is rare to the point where it's existence is a valid question. These guys did an amazing write up - recommended reading:
www.friendsofhabanos.com
FOH Mould Study
The idea behind the mould study was to shed some light into the world of mould and plume. Earlier in the year we asked for examples of both from members and then selected 10 representative cigars for testing. Testing was undertaken by the team at Australia Biotech Laboratories. In the event that ...
cohibasurfer
one day older than dirt
Same ... He's why I don't trust scientist. They hand that title out freely.
CMontoya79
Newb Le professional!
FOH did an extensive post on plume/mold. Up close pics with fancy lense zoom. Great read. I’d suggest he join just to read that thread.
CigarStone
For once, knowledge is making me poor!
I will defer to those, like Tom, who are smarter than me, which leaves it open to everyone basically.Best treatise on the subject I've found. Despite common lore, "plume" or "bloom" or whatever you call it is rare to the point where it's existence is a valid question. These guys did an amazing write up - recommended reading:
FOH Mould Study
The idea behind the mould study was to shed some light into the world of mould and plume. Earlier in the year we asked for examples of both from members and then selected 10 representative cigars for testing. Testing was undertaken by the team at Australia Biotech Laboratories. In the event that ...
Is it possible that plume is a form of mold? They both grow on an a substance based on time, temperature, and humidity. The organic/non-organic makeup of a substance can influence the type and growth rate of mold/plume.
Just a thought..............
FOH has some serious collectors in its readership. They sent out the call for anyone with a cigar with plume on it, so they could analyze it. Every single one they got their hands on was analyzed by smart, qualified guys as clearly mold. Every. Single. One.
It's a significant but small sample. If it does exist, it's damn rare....much rarer than we'd like to believe.
I remember consulting our resident mad scientist years ago about this subject. (He got so sick of my questions he moved to an entirely different continent soon after 
) My question to him was a result of someone posting on OLH that they had somebody on their home board analyze "plume" and found it contained 70% propylene glycol. I was asking if PG could form naturally in a humidor (I don't know if this guy was using the PG as a humidification device in his humidor or not) and our mad scientist seemed to think it could, although he was puzzled by how it could crystalize. Below is the mad scientist's reply to me. I will give $1 to anyone capable of deciphering it for me because all these years later and I still haven't a clue what he was on about.
You are correct glycerol would come from the fats and oils in the tobacco. The fatty acids will come off the glycerol through hydrolysis. The humidity in the humidor will keep water around enough that the process can happen, albeit slow. If the hydrogen in one hydrolysis attacks the adjacent carbon of the glycerol unit you could conceivably get propylene glycol. Other wise you need a dehydration step followed by hydrogenation ( loss of water then reducing the resulting double bond). I could draw it out if you want to see it graphically. It isn't what I would have expected but there is a logical explanation of why it would be the major component. The only question that I have is if this would crystallize on its own or does it need some of the other material as a site of nucleation?
) My question to him was a result of someone posting on OLH that they had somebody on their home board analyze "plume" and found it contained 70% propylene glycol. I was asking if PG could form naturally in a humidor (I don't know if this guy was using the PG as a humidification device in his humidor or not) and our mad scientist seemed to think it could, although he was puzzled by how it could crystalize. Below is the mad scientist's reply to me. I will give $1 to anyone capable of deciphering it for me because all these years later and I still haven't a clue what he was on about.You are correct glycerol would come from the fats and oils in the tobacco. The fatty acids will come off the glycerol through hydrolysis. The humidity in the humidor will keep water around enough that the process can happen, albeit slow. If the hydrogen in one hydrolysis attacks the adjacent carbon of the glycerol unit you could conceivably get propylene glycol. Other wise you need a dehydration step followed by hydrogenation ( loss of water then reducing the resulting double bond). I could draw it out if you want to see it graphically. It isn't what I would have expected but there is a logical explanation of why it would be the major component. The only question that I have is if this would crystallize on its own or does it need some of the other material as a site of nucleation?