POLL: Military Service

[Mr Peat]

I was Army Recon aka 19-Delta and I served between 1995-1997 till I was severely injured in a training accident. Sucks being a Gunner on a Hummer. Now I am medically retired. My Unit was the last of Hells on Wheels before it was swallowed up into 4th ID Division, Ft Hood Texas. Poor ole unit # was HHC 3-66 and we was in charge of around 5k lives and there was only around 36 Scouts. :0

 

[Wurm]

US Army 24C / 16S served 1982 to 1987

Air Defense Artillery H.A.W.K. and Stinger

Alpha Battery 2/55 Fort Bliss Texas

Alpha Battery 3/60 Grafenwöhr Germany

Delta Battery 3/60 Bamberg Germany

ETSed as an E-5

 

[Wurm]

I was Army Recon aka 19-Delta. My Unit was the last of Hells on Wheels before it was swallowed up into 4th ID Division, Ft Hood Texas. Poor ole unit # was HHC 3-66 and we was in charge of around 5k lives and there was onlu around 36 Scouts. :0

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You were a Cav. Scout... Recon is for Marines

How did you like Hood BTW? I was there once for training and thought it sucked lol

 

[MiamiCubano]

USMC, 91-95, 97-01
Graduated OCS, graduated The Basic School
Left 0-3.

 

[AVB]

Recon is only in the Corps. How can you say Hood sucked after being in Graf?

I was Army Recon aka 19-Delta....

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You were a Cav. Scout... Recon is for Marines

How did you like Hood BTW? I was there once for training and thought it sucked lol

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[Wurm]

Recon is only in the Corps. How can you say Hood sucked after being in Graf?

I was Army Recon aka 19-Delta....

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You were a Cav. Scout... Recon is for Marines

How did you like Hood BTW? I was there once for training and thought it sucked lol

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LOL I still live in Graf in fact its been over 20 years now... I must be a glutton for Punishment

 

[tdog]

Always a civilian but thank you for what you do for this country guys and gals. My best friend just got back from Baghdad two weeks ago. Man it is good to have him back safe and sound.

 

[Mr Peat]

Recon isnt only in the Corp. :angry: Who do you think is attached to Army Tank units...Marine Recon, NOT!

I hate Texas period. It never did warm upto me. I did like Ft Irwin, California tho. Ft Knox was pretty cool too. But Ft Hood BLOWS. Its funny..My dad was Navy as a Torpedo man between 1959 to 1963. My uncle, my dad's brother was also Navy on a frigit around the same time frame. My brother was Navy as a Sea Bee between 1989 till 1992. Me, I went Army. :whistling:

 

[tfire136]

Well I am in the Army. I am a 13A which is a Field Artillery Officer. I am just about to be promoted to 1LT in a couple of weeks. I just returned from Iraq in July of this year. I was medevaced out due to illness. I was a fire support officer for a Recon Cav (RSTA) unit and a mortar platoon leader. I was up in Northern Iraq.

 

[Wurm]

Recon isnt only in the Corp. :angry: Who do you think is attached to Army Tank units...Marine Recon, NOT!

I hate Texas period. It never did warm upto me. I did like Ft Irwin, California tho. Ft Knox was pretty cool too. But Ft Hood BLOWS. Its funny..My dad was Navy as a Torpedo man between 1959 to 1963. My uncle, my dad's brother was also Navy on a frigit around the same time frame. My brother was Navy as a Sea Bee between 1989 till 1992. Me, I went Army. :whistling:

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RECON as a unit term is ONLY used by the Marines, reconnaissance is what a SCOUT does.

19D = SCOUT not RECON.

Remember I told you, I had/have alot of 19D friends even now.

 

[tfire136]

Recon isnt only in the Corp. :angry: Who do you think is attached to Army Tank units...Marine Recon, NOT!

I hate Texas period. It never did warm upto me. I did like Ft Irwin, California tho. Ft Knox was pretty cool too. But Ft Hood BLOWS. Its funny..My dad was Navy as a Torpedo man between 1959 to 1963. My uncle, my dad's brother was also Navy on a frigit around the same time frame. My brother was Navy as a Sea Bee between 1989 till 1992. Me, I went Army. :whistling:

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RECON as a unit term is ONLY used by the Marines, reconnaissance is what a SCOUT does.

19D = SCOUT not RECON.

Remember I told you, I had/have alot of 19D friends even now.

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Well now thats not true. If you are part of the new RSTA (Reconissance Surveillance and Target Aquisition) units you are recon. It is a Recon unit made up of cav scouts, counter intelligence, and fire support assets. Completley different from traditional 19D stuff. So in the present day Army there are Recon units. 1/14, 2/14, and 4/14 Cav. All of them are Styrker units. I actually worked with Force Recon in Mosul and we were running very close to the same missions they were. RSTA is now the most requested type of unit besides Rangers and Sf. Any other questions I can answer to clear this up just shoot.

 

[Mr Peat]

Recon isnt only in the Corp. :angry: Who do you think is attached to Army Tank units...Marine Recon, NOT!

I hate Texas period. It never did warm upto me. I did like Ft Irwin, California tho. Ft Knox was pretty cool too. But Ft Hood BLOWS. Its funny..My dad was Navy as a Torpedo man between 1959 to 1963. My uncle, my dad's brother was also Navy on a frigit around the same time frame. My brother was Navy as a Sea Bee between 1989 till 1992. Me, I went Army. :whistling:

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RECON as a unit term is ONLY used by the Marines, reconnaissance is what a SCOUT does.

19D = SCOUT not RECON.

Remember I told you, I had/have alot of 19D friends even now.

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I hate to burst the bubble. Army 19D is also referred to Recon. If you have friends, then have them pull out their actual Certificate of Training from the Department of the Army. I quote from it...

Department of the Army
Certificate of Training
This is to certify that
*Name*
has successfully completed
ARMORED RECONNAISSANE SPECIALIST 19D0D3

Given at________________ ________________
Commander


It doesnt say Armored Scout Specialist.


http://www.goarmy.com/JobDetail.do?id=39



"The Cavalry Scout is the commander's eyes and ears on the battlefield. When information about the enemy is needed, they call on the Scouts. They are responsible for reconnaissance and you will learn about various weapons to include explosives and mines. Cavalry Scouts engage the enemy with anti-armor weapons and scout vehicles in the field, track and report enemy movement and activities, and will direct the employment of various weapon systems onto the enemy.

Here are a few of the duties of a Cavalry Scout:

* Secure and prepare ammunition on scout vehicles
* Load, clear and fire individual and crew-served weapons
* Perform navigation during combat
* Serve as member of observation and listening posts
* Gather and report information on terrain, weather and enemy disposition and equipment
* Collect data to classify routes, tunnels and bridges
* Employ principles of concealment and camouflage"

When I also got out..They sucked most of the Scout Platoons in the 4th ID into a Bridage Recon unit, not a Brigade Scout unit. Hell, our Brigade commander even called us Recon. Is a full bird colonel and a 3 star general wrong calling us Recon and not Scouts? :thumbs:

And the Marines are called Marine Force Recon, not Recon.

 

[Wurm]

Fine by me, like I said I ETSed in 1987 so I quess things have changed... Some Older Force Recon Marines might pound a 19D into the ground for calling himself Recon though. :whistling:

Its almost like the Pentagon eggheads taking the black beret away from the rangers and giving them to all the troops including the legs. Me thinks some general was watching Stargate a bit too often

*edit* Your Certificate of Training even calls you a scout lol

And Force Recon Jarheads call themselves "Recon" when talking about themselves. And I've known plenty of colonels and generals that were wrong but its all cool bro, I'm old army, things change.

 

[Mr Peat]

Fine by me, like I said I ETSed in 1987 so I quess things have changed... Some Older Force Recon Marines might pound a 19D into the ground for calling himself Recon though. :whistling:

Its almost like the Pentagon eggheads taking the black beret away from the rangers and giving them to all the troops including the legs. Me thinks some general was watching Stargate a bit too often

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Here is the actual Unit that was formed after I got out. I had buddies in it and wrote to me about how it played out.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/age.../b-trp-9cav.htm

B Troop - 9th Cavalry Regiment

B Troop, 9th Cavalry Regiment, was reactivated as the Third Brigade, 4th Infantry Division, Brigade Reconnaissance Troop (BRT) on June 25, 1999.

The unit is known as the "Bloody Knife Troop", named after the Indian Scout, Bloody Knife who served under General Custer during the Indian Wars.

19D used to have those berets till they was striped of those.

Yes, things have changed. But their is also Army Brigade Reconnaissance Troops not Army Brigade Scout Reconnaissance Troops. I just want this to be clear and factual.

 

[tfire136]

Now now, no need to get all hot and bothered over it, there are plenty of military forums to argue that. I do agree that most force recon guys would kill a 19D. Most force recon guys would also kill their first born child if it was legal lol. The Army changes every day thats why I will not get to analytical into who has what role or has what title. I just wanted to make it know that there are new types of units in the Army. Bottom line I am just glad this board actually cares enough to take interest in who is actually serving. And when it comes down to it I watched Infantry guys and Finance guys die together in the same fire fight so it really does not matter what your job is!



King of Battle!!

 

[Mr Peat]

Not bothered...I just like factual information. Hell, things have drastically changed since I got out in 1997. Is it for the good, whose to say.

 

[Wurm]

Not getting hot and bothered, I like talking shop with other Vets. I always learn something new

And we are all 11B when the crap hits the fan.

 

[Double D]

army 1986-1998 to many places to list was stationed in Graf From 92-98 but spent most of that time deployed somewhere. I think what wurm is trying to say is that recon is not an mos designater in the army and for the marines it is a special forces designater. Lets see i started life out as a airborne combat engineer and ended my career as 3rd shop recovery specialist i drove the tank recovery vehicles and armored personal carriers. was a fast team member meaning we moved with the combat troops and provided all forms of logistics in my case drive my track to were the bad guys were and drag out crippled vehicles. My huumble opinion is any one who served is a hero one interesting side bar there are a lot army civillians who serve dailey and even were the uniform i am currently an army civillian and it is much like being in the army.

P.s i stopped pretending to know how to spell a long time ago.

 

[tfire136]

Not getting hot and bothered, I like talking shop with other Vets. I always learn something new

And we are all 11B when the crap hits the fan.

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isnt that the truth!

 

[N8NOE]

Army, And Geeee... I was a Radio Opp and Trainer... Imagine that!
Most the Guys I hang around were Marines, and they Kinda Accepted me in there
little Group. 2 of those were Force Recon, I think this qualifies them as "FRIKIN NUTZ"... Me I'm fine!

But Now I'm a Cigar Smoking Liberal, Looking to Ban Smoking all together, and in Doing so, I'll BAN CIGARS from around the World!... Right after I hord the ones I like!..

opps. This has been done, and I'm back NOW!...

"If you Rool it, they Will Come"...