Plane Scrapes Runway

[Wurm]

Turns out the pilot IS/WAS A FAWKING IDIOT!!!

He wasn't even sitting on the controls when the 24 year-old female copilot attempted the landing.

She, and she alone saved the situation from being a disaster, but why the hell did the pilot think it was a good idea to let her try it alone...

Lufthansa and the German version of the FAA are investigating.

 

[gtadroptop]

Unbelievable. Where was the pilot, putting on a parachute?

My totally layman question still stands - if the conditions were that bad, why didn't ground control deny permission to land? Were there constant crosswinds or was this a 'rogue blast'?

 

[Wurm]

Unbelievable. Where was the pilot, putting on a parachute?

My totally layman question still stands - if the conditions were that bad, why didn't ground control deny permission to land? Were there constant crosswinds or was this a 'rogue blast'?

Where were they to land? All of Europe was experiencing the Hurricane... And a plane only has so much fuel. The better question would be why the flight wasn't canceled to begin, with when they knew that on the next day the storm would be over.

 

[gtadroptop]

I figured there was more to the story than I knew. Thanks, Wurm.

 

[npedersen]

Air Traffic Control really cannot deny you to land. They most likely gave wind speed and direction followed by "use extreme caution". The female 24 year old co-pilot most likey has over 1000-2000 hours of flight time and flew left seat for smaller corporate jets.

How long was the flight? When they took off left seat was most likely in command, and as the flight reaches a certain time the right seat gets it and usually lands. Either way, the airline will deal with the Captain, the European version of the FAA will deal with the Co-Pilot as she was the Pilot In Command when the incident happened.

 

[CigarStone]

Who actually landed the plane? Did the captain take over after this near catastrophe?

 

[Wurm]

Who actually landed the plane? Did the captain take over after this near catastrophe?

No idea... but I'm willing to bet the pilot sat the hell back down and landed the plane.


npedersen, Munich to Hamburg is about an hour and a half flight. The rules over here state that the pilot is only required to land the plane when there is limited visibility. So more than likely he is going to get off with a warning.

I wasn't knocking the co-pilot at all BTW, I think she did an extra-ordinary job avoiding the crash and she is going to be one hell of a good pilot in the future (she probably is one already, women are good pilots to begin with).

 

[npedersen]

Who actually landed the plane? Did the captain take over after this near catastrophe?

No idea... but I'm willing to bet the pilot sat the hell back down and landed the plane.


npedersen, Munich to Hamburg is about an hour and a half flight. The rules over here state that the pilot is only required to land the plane when there is limited visibility. So more than likely he is going to get off with a warning.

I wasn't knocking the co-pilot at all BTW, I think she did an extra-ordinary job avoiding the crash and she is going to be one hell of a good pilot in the future (she probably is one already, women are good pilots to begin with).

I agree, in my experience woman seem to have the small smooth touches to fly a plane smoothly. I hope this close call doesn't push her away. didn't realize the flight was so short, now I agree, the plane never should have left the ground. These winds surely would have been in the weather briefing he got before the flight, also the person who prepared the flight plan at the central dispacthed should seriously be looked.

By the way, sounds like you also have flight experience. How much? I have my Private and am working on getting my Instrument ticket as well. I also am a flight Instructor for General Dynamics at the Unmanned Aircraft Systems Training Center here on Ft. Huachuca. Lots of fun.

Nick

 

[Wurm]

Who actually landed the plane? Did the captain take over after this near catastrophe?

No idea... but I'm willing to bet the pilot sat the hell back down and landed the plane.


npedersen, Munich to Hamburg is about an hour and a half flight. The rules over here state that the pilot is only required to land the plane when there is limited visibility. So more than likely he is going to get off with a warning.

I wasn't knocking the co-pilot at all BTW, I think she did an extra-ordinary job avoiding the crash and she is going to be one hell of a good pilot in the future (she probably is one already, women are good pilots to begin with).

I agree, in my experience woman seem to have the small smooth touches to fly a plane smoothly. I hope this close call doesn't push her away. didn't realize the flight was so short, now I agree, the plane never should have left the ground. These winds surely would have been in the weather briefing he got before the flight, also the person who prepared the flight plan at the central dispacthed should seriously be looked.

By the way, sounds like you also have flight experience. How much? I have my Private and am working on getting my Instrument ticket as well. I also am a flight Instructor for General Dynamics at the Unmanned Aircraft Systems Training Center here on Ft. Huachuca. Lots of fun.

Nick

I was a Cadet in the Civil Air Patrol as a teenager, And I shot down planes for a living in the Army (ADA Hawk and Stinger) other than that, no experience at all except getting my hang-gliding license back in 1985.

Shawn

 

[TGM_6]

I was watching this at work today, and all I can say is that I was glad I was watching it on TV and not first hand.
B

edit: for stupidity

That's what I was thinking as well. Perhaps now I am going to be checking the weather conditions for the airport that I am going to be traveling to haha. Man, I would have needed a change of boxers after that experience...

 

[Atlasm]

I don't understand why the pilot would even attempt a landing in such a strong cross wind. It looks to me like an unnecessary risk.

 

[gtadroptop]

And I shot down planes for a living in the Army...

Shawn

That comment caught me off guard. When they ask, I usually tell people I fly a desk for a living. You started my day off with a chuckle. Thanks again, Wurm.