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Padron 64 Maduros. Wose With Age?
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tsmckenney
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In my experience, I would say Padrons age exceptionally well. I don't like more than 4 years on the regular line, because they seem to lose their edge (going from full-medium to medium). The 64s and 26s though, great with age.
Bonfire Smoke
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Mine disappear within a years time. I don't know where they go, but they just will not stay in my humi.
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Huh?? Did you say something? I, uh, got distracted.
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Guys, this is a subject that I'm very interested in. I have to agree....I think 64's / 26's go flat with much aging on them. Like two or three years.
First up, my storage is not an issue. My cooled Staebell runs 63% / 68F like clockwork.
The other night, I got out an 80th natty with about four years on it. I was ready for an incredible smoke but.....it was like smoking a bale of hay. Not bad, not offensive but.....just.....nothing. No complexity, just....not there. I ashed it at the halfway point. I smoked a T-52 Flying Pig (the only other cigar I brought with me to the cigar lounge) and the difference was like night and day. My tastebuds were intact, but that 80th was.....gone.
Don't get me wrong......Padron is one of if not my favorite brand. I'll buy them and smoke them every chance I get. Their new family reserve smokes are world class. But, I won't buy deep and age them anymore.....
Not sure what to make of this but I am following up on this behind the scenes. If I come up with something interesting to share, trust me, I will.
One man's opinion, gents - B.B.S.
First up, my storage is not an issue. My cooled Staebell runs 63% / 68F like clockwork.
The other night, I got out an 80th natty with about four years on it. I was ready for an incredible smoke but.....it was like smoking a bale of hay. Not bad, not offensive but.....just.....nothing. No complexity, just....not there. I ashed it at the halfway point. I smoked a T-52 Flying Pig (the only other cigar I brought with me to the cigar lounge) and the difference was like night and day. My tastebuds were intact, but that 80th was.....gone.
Don't get me wrong......Padron is one of if not my favorite brand. I'll buy them and smoke them every chance I get. Their new family reserve smokes are world class. But, I won't buy deep and age them anymore.....
Not sure what to make of this but I am following up on this behind the scenes. If I come up with something interesting to share, trust me, I will.
One man's opinion, gents - B.B.S.
My conditions are not in question either. Cigar Oasis II keeping my cabinet at 65%/70degrees, and then a Cigar Oasis XL Plus keeping an end table at the same. In the cabinet I have some 1964 maduro pyramids from REAL early in the releases (forget the year, but bought them from a trusted site members years ago), and then I have some newer (but still probably 1.5-2 years?) ones in the end table (smoked one right before posting this topic) from a different source. Both batches have done the same IMO. Like BBS said, they seem to just go "dead" IMO. I used to LOVE these cigars. I would smoke one every time Georgetown would play when I still lived somewhere where I could smoke inside (it was my good luck ritual). However, the ones I have just don't do it for me anymore. Thankfully I only have a couple left (like a dozen or so of the early pyramids). I think I'll buy a new one soon and see if it's them going dead, or if I just don't have a taste for them anymore (doubtful).
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I'm guessing this probably has to do with the age of the tobacco before it is rolled. Don't the 64's use 5yr old tobacco, the 26's 8yr and the Family cigars 10yr old? This is going off the top of my head but those have to be close. With that age of tobacco, I don't think these are made for deep sleeping, but rather to smoke now. It would be interesting to see a 10yr old x000 series compared to a fresh 1926 Serie. I'm almost done with my box of 2007 2000's, I don't know if I can make it last. :blush:
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Moe, I think you hit the nail on the head and this is the angle I'm looking into behind the scenes. The 64 / 26 / LE smokes come "pre aged" and are in their prime. I believe that putting them down for a couple of years is counterproductive. I'm still researching this......
tsmckenney
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Moe, I think you hit the nail on the head and this is the angle I'm looking into behind the scenes. The 64 / 26 / LE smokes come "pre aged" and are in their prime. I believe that putting them down for a couple of years is counterproductive. I'm still researching this......
No need to research. Those are the numbers Jorge gave us. They also have 15 yr old tobacco (might have had 20 as well, don't recall). Honestly, I don't think I've had too many 64s older than a few years. I did have some pyramids that were 5 years old, and I still thought those were great (thank you jfields). Oddly enough, I think the regular line goes flat after 4 or 5 years. Two or three years on those is perfect for me.
One last note. Joe (simmsboard) and I smoked a couple of Milleniums this past summer (thank you tasman, you total bastard). That cigar had 10 years on it and was hands down the best cigar either of us had ever smoked. So, I think it really depends on your taste, and the blend.
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One of the guys in the Mpls crew "found" two boxes of Padron 2000 Maduro's from 2001 in the bottom of his immense humidor. He passed them out and to a man, we were astonished at the complexity. It was a great cigar, thanks Jan. This speaks to the quality of the Padron tobacco overall. Whether they are aging it or I am, it holds up extremely well. We all know that cigars peak at some indeterminate date after they are rolled.... It makes sense that the tobacco that has been aged at Padron's plantation (64's, 26's and FR) would have a shorter shelf life, because they start that clock ticking before it ever hits the shelves.
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I smoked one of the 64 Torpedo's Mick mentioned he got from me earlier this week.
I think this is one of those YMMV things. While the cigar was excellent for my taste that night since it was very mellow and smooth, I could see what some are talking about.
It didn't have the strength or typical cocoa and espresso notes that fresh or one to two year old Padron have.
Mellow, smooth, but still flavorful to me is what someone else might consider flat.
If I want strength, strong flavor and pepper on the back of the throat, I reach for a Padilla, LG, or DPG.
If I want cocoa and leather with full flavor, but still very refined I go with Padron 64's or 1926.
If I want a super mellow cigar, I go with one of the above that I have that are four or five plus years of age.
Depends on my mood at the time.
I think this is one of those YMMV things. While the cigar was excellent for my taste that night since it was very mellow and smooth, I could see what some are talking about.
It didn't have the strength or typical cocoa and espresso notes that fresh or one to two year old Padron have.
Mellow, smooth, but still flavorful to me is what someone else might consider flat.
If I want strength, strong flavor and pepper on the back of the throat, I reach for a Padilla, LG, or DPG.
If I want cocoa and leather with full flavor, but still very refined I go with Padron 64's or 1926.
If I want a super mellow cigar, I go with one of the above that I have that are four or five plus years of age.
Depends on my mood at the time.
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Moe, I think you hit the nail on the head and this is the angle I'm looking into behind the scenes. The 64 / 26 / LE smokes come "pre aged" and are in their prime. I believe that putting them down for a couple of years is counterproductive. I'm still researching this......
Hey Tom....Spoke with Jorge. Send me 2 naturals and I'll be taking it to him next week. He wants to smoke them to see what you're talking about. Needless to say, they'll be replaced. Thanks.
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I agree with this, although I have limited experience with aged Padrons. I generally don't care much for aged cigars of any type as they mellow out too much for my tastes.
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Moe, I think you hit the nail on the head and this is the angle I'm looking into behind the scenes. The 64 / 26 / LE smokes come "pre aged" and are in their prime. I believe that putting them down for a couple of years is counterproductive. I'm still researching this......
Hey Tom....Spoke with Jorge. Send me 2 naturals and I'll be taking it to him next week. He wants to smoke them to see what you're talking about. Needless to say, they'll be replaced. Thanks.
It makes me happy to know that they are actively interested in comments and concerns made by the people who enjoy their products. :thumbs:
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Israel, you rock hard. Glad to send the two along to you (last of that box, actually). Needless to say, if the Padron family is curious, replacement isn't something I'm concerned about. Folks that care about their smokes.....really pleases me. I love their stuff and will be a Padron customer for some time. No worries there.Moe, I think you hit the nail on the head and this is the angle I'm looking into behind the scenes. The 64 / 26 / LE smokes come "pre aged" and are in their prime. I believe that putting them down for a couple of years is counterproductive. I'm still researching this......
Hey Tom....Spoke with Jorge. Send me 2 naturals and I'll be taking it to him next week. He wants to smoke them to see what you're talking about. Needless to say, they'll be replaced. Thanks.
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