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Musings of a newbie

NullSmurf

Das Bruce
Joined
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Location
Aurora, CO USA
I just had a epiphany, or at least a near epiphany that I’d like to share with you – especially the new smokers like me. It’s a bit of a long read, but hopefully its an entertaining one.

I smoked cigarettes for most of 25 years with the occasional grocery store cigar and others with “It’s a boy” on the cello. I quit the cigarettes in 2002. Believe it or not, my most serious foray into the hobby started in December 2005 with a Thompson’s catalogue. I’ve seen some pretty pronounced opinions of Thompson’s, but they did point out to me that there are serious cigars out there. I bought the 25ct humi with the “free” cigars – that almost ruined the hobby for me.

Over January 2006, I visited several cigar shops and generally suffered from information overload. There had to be thousands of choices out there. As it turns out, that’s close to 10,000 choices. What the hell do I do now? Turn to the Internet, of course.

I've been involved with BBS and Communities since the mid 80's, so I went to work finding one that could help me. I found more than a dozen, and looked hard at about 6 before I registered on CigarPass and Club Stogie, eventually settling on CigarPass as my “home”. It’s a great board, but for someone thirsty for information, its still drinking from a fire hose. Its easy to get lost and to find conflicting info.

Such as it is, its turned out to be both a great source of information and a social outlet for me. In 5+ months, I’ve made friends, developed respect for many of my Brothers. I can go back to my B&M now armed well enough to make some intelligent choices. My collection of cigars has increased significantly, largely due to the generosity of others here.

I’ve purchased samplers from Brothers here and from vendors. I’ve smoked, enjoyed, and tried to record my observations of several brands. I've actually smoked few that I DIDN'T like. I read the reviews. What the hell is peppery, woody, creamy, or leathery? Why do I still feel like I’m missing something?

Why should my cigar hobby be any different that projects and tasks I manage every day? When building a house, you’ll do much better starting with the foundation. So, where is the epiphany in all this? With any new project, start at the bottom.

I'm not sure I could tell and Opus from an Acid if you took of the bands, so why seek out high end cigars? They taste good to me, but most likely not for the same reason it tastes good for you. As a newbie, I need to concentrate on the low end first, the foundation. As a teen, (unlike AVB) I didn’t buy 25 year old single malt, I bought cheap beer and wine in the box. As a new cigar smoker, I need to refine my tastes.

For the moment, I’m enjoying <$1 sticks like Consuegra #9 and Flor del Todo just as much as I enjoy many more costly cigars. I’m comfortable financially, but I’ve set a budget, in part to answer to my wife for what I’m spending, in part as a sanity relief valve to keep the impulse buying in check (CBID-a-tosis). For now, the cheap sticks are my dailies. Several times a week, I take from my ‘special’ collection and smoke at a time when I can give it my attention and savor it, and compare with the lower end cigars. With each one, my tastes get just a little better.

I’m still exploring the bargain basement, but of the samplers I’ve bought here from Brothers and from vendors, I’ve made box buys of AF Chateau Cuban Belicoso, Carlos Torano, Indian Tabac, and Gurkha. In 6 months, I’ve gone from the 25ct Thompson to this. I’m still developing my sense of taste, and thanks to information from many of you, I’m developing my sense of where the bargains REALLY are.
 
Bruce I bet in 2 weeks you will not be smoking those $ 1.00 cigars - not if I have anything to do with it :sign: VEGAS baby VEGAS
 
Nice note!
I'd hate to show you how far I've come with smokes!
From Dunhill to Davidoff in a VERY VERY short time!

Enjoy the Ride!
 
Familiar story Bruce!
Not about Thompson :whistling:, about cigarettes!

I wander how many BOTL in this forum are ex smokers.

Brian
 
I'm in kind of the same place as you are time wise. (Maybe a little further, but not much.)

I've not limited myself to any particular price range other than what I just simply can't afford. I only smoke about once or twice a week, so it is easier for me to grab that more expensive smoke (>$3) and not worry about it too much. If I smoked everyday, multiple times a day, I would likely be exercising the same restraint.

I've found that by smoking the more complex cigars, I'm getting better at identifying flavors and the like faster than I was when I was smoking the most inexpensive stuff I could find. Maybe it is just the timing of it all, but I think that by really concentrating on the more complex, I've developed the ability to pick things out far better than I could before. I do still have a long way to go, but I can tell the development is there.

I'm not saying that there aren't some really good inexpensive smokes (I love IT Super Fuertes and the Chateau Fuentes). In my limited experience it seems that the more complex cigars just tend to cost a little more.

I'm glad you've found a system that works for you and allows you to enjoy this great passion of ours. We all need to explore these things in our own ways and develop such a system.

I love this hobby!
 
Well said, Bruce. You're thoughtful, inquisitive and humble...admirable qualities in any seeker. It's great to have you on board.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...CigarPass is the finest online cigar community on the web. And it's because of guys like you that it is so.

So, you think you're ready for the hidden pleasures of Moontrance: ;)

Wilkey
 
I've been smoking cigars a long,long time and I don't taste food in my cigars and neither do many experienced smokers here on this board. However, I damn well know good tobacco from bad and I'll bet you do to, and that's good enough.

Doc.
 
Well said, Bruce. You're thoughtful, inquisitive and humble...admirable qualities in any seeker. It's great to have you on board.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...CigarPass is the finest online cigar community on the web. And it's because of guys like you that it is so.

So, you think you're ready for the hidden pleasures of Moontrance: ;)

Wilkey

Only if the batteries are included :p
 
I'm sort of travelling the same path you are. To be honest, some lower end smokes taste the same as some higher end ones. I have had a few noticeable differences.

I am not new to the nicotine thing. I chewed Copenhagen and Skoal for about 15 years mixed with cheap college cigars (Phillies, Swisher Sweets, etc. The only time I took notice was some cigar called 1884 way back when).

I since quit the hack for about 3 years now but always enjoyed a cigar so I guess it comes full circle.

I think as newbies, we will learn the subtle differences with time and experience.

Being a newbie is probably the best time we will have because we are not jaded our palettes are fresh and we are experiencing new cigars every time we open up the humi. It's like a new love :love:

I look forward to each new cigar!
 
I'll throw my hat in the ring with ya... I quit smoking last year and still can't quit the habit of smoking while drinking so I switched to cigars... I am also with ya on price... I have some 2 dollar smoke i enjoy and some more expensive ones i enjoy... Very few seem to really stand out, albeit the LFD factory press and the ashotn wizard might cause me to spend my well earned money.. Besides the fact it's good to knoe there are others out there...

cheers
 
Good read. I understand where you are coming from. Especially with with the different subtle flavors and not being able to taste them (except for peppery). I've been wanting to post something like this for a while, but never have. I'm glad you did. "I wander how many BOTL in this forum are ex smokers." I'm an ex-smoker but not of cigarettes :D

edited for quotation marks,
 
I've smoked a LOT of things that make smoke.

My second submarine patrol got extended 4 times because our relief boat was broken. We wound up at 128 days underwater, more than 30 days beyond the most pessimistic estimates. We were practically down to iron rations and almost everyone ran out of smokes. I recall rolling pipe tobacco in tissue paper. The old salts were selling packs for $50 each.
 
Good read bro. I can definetly relate. I started "and still am" by getting my hands on a huge variety and price ranges. But over time I found that buying cigars was like buying a new computer, in that "you get what you pay for". I'm not able yet to pick out the subtlties of each flavor or taste, but I know that I like a Padron or Fuente over a Fonseca anyday. You get my drift.
 
Great post! I'm kind of right there with ya, quit cigarettes about 3 or 4 years ago. Got a Humi for christmas last year. I had always smoked black & milds an swisher sweets etc. After I got the humidor I started going to the local shops and randomly trying things in my price range. I too have a budget I try to stay under. It's very hard sometimes as all the focus tends to be on the higher end stuff that is just out of my range. Some day I will get to indulge a little more but for now I have to restrain myself! :)

I also feel the information overload you spoke of. I sometimes think I should know more then I do with all the reading and browsing I do but I seem to have a hard time retaining it all! I haven't bought anything in bulk yet, even connies or bundles. And I think maybe this payday I will finally cave in to the newbie sampler trade. I wish I could say I am refining my palate but in all honestly it just comes down to I like it or I don't! I haven't tried a whole lot of varities yet really. The stuff that I hear alot of on this board and the web are usually out of my range. The things I see on the shelves alot of the times I have just never heard of so I tend to shy away from it for things that I have. I have found things I really like, and a couple that I don't. But in the end its been a great experience so far!

It's a fun past time thats for sure and I enjoy it. I really like the community and the people here on this forum. I have met some very cool people locally from this site and I am greatfull for that! I usually don't have much to contribute in the threads, so I mainly just read alot and try to retain what I can. Someday I hope I will be able to contribute more!
 
Me, too!

And I agree that whether we realize it or not, being a newbie is a great adventure that will be all but over later on. Oh sure, we'll talk about our first this and our first that, but our biggest thrill will be bombing newbies.
 
Familiar story Bruce!
Not about Thompson :whistling:, about cigarettes!

I wander how many BOTL in this forum are ex smokers.

Brian

When I was driving a truck two packs a day. If I went to a bar add another. I got a case of asthma...Wifes damn cats falt. Gave em up cold turkey after 15 years of smoking. That was October,06 1984...My birthday. Not a one since that day. The smell of a Marlboro Red makes me gag now.
 
As a teen (17+) it was 8-12 yo Scotch, there wasn't much 25 to be found and I couldn't swing it then anyway. :D

As a newbie, I need to concentrate on the low end first, the foundation. As a teen, (unlike AVB) I didn’t buy 25 year old single malt, I bought cheap beer and wine in the box.
 
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