Looking for a Red Sox fan

[seadub]

Seadub reminds me of story. Back in the '50's, when the Sox were what was called back then, a second division team, My father was giving me a ride home from Little League practice. I asked him, "What team should I root for, dad". A very serious look appeared on his face. Very somberly he replied,"You don't have any choice son, you're a Red Sox fan". It's a fuggin' religion around here. There's no other way to explain it.

Doc.

Amen, Doc.


...and Doc... my newborn son's middle name is "Beckett," he's not going to have a choice either. :laugh:

 

[AngryFishH]

Puh-lease.

I have been a Yanks fan since the 70's and I do have faith in my team.

I had faith in 1998 when the Sox only won 92 games in the regular season and got beat down by the Indians 3-1. Yanks won the division and had 114 wins and the WS.
I had faith in 1999 when the Sox only won 94 games in the regular season and got beat down by the Yankees 4-1. Yanks won the division and had 98 wins and the WS.
I had faith in 2000 when the Sox only won 85 games and missed the playoffs. Yanks won the division and had 87 wins and the WS.
I had faith in 2001 when the Sox only won 82 games and missed the playoffs AGAIN! Yanks won the division and had 95 wins.
I had faith in 2002 when the Sox only won 93 games and missed the playoffs AGAIN! Yanks won the division and had 103 wins.
I had faith in 2003 when the Sox only won 95 games in the regular season and got the beat down by the Yanks. Yanks won the division and had 101 wins
I had faith in 2004 when the Sox only won 98 games in the regular season but eventually won the WS by sliding in as the Wildcard. Yanks still won the division with 101 wins
I had faith in 2005 when the Yanks won the division again.
And again in 2006
And in 2007 we were only 2 wins from winning another after being under .500 at the break.

Summary... Why does a team that wins 2 WS and 1 Division in 10 years talk so much smack? ENVY! In the same span Yanks have 9 Division wins and are 4-2 in WS play. The numba's don't lie.


I won't put my money on Giambi because he is a recovering roid junkie who is always injured. A-Rod and Ortiz are close in offensive stats. So I should bet that Giambi will out hit Manny-me-me who is playing for his $20mil extension. Puh-lease.

If you want to put another fiver on which offense scores more runs I am all about that. JD Drew, Lowell and Tek aren't scaring anyone.


Fish

Edited to fix an incorrect stat.

 

[seadub]

Puh-lease.

I have been a Yanks fan since the 70's and I do have faith in my team.

I had faith in 1998 when the Sox only won 92 games in the regular season and got beat down by the Indians 3-1. Yanks won the division and had 114 wins and the WS.
I had faith in 1999 when the Sox only won 94 games in the regular season and got beat down by the Yankees 4-1. Yanks won the division and had 98 wins and the WS.
I had faith in 2000 when the Sox only won 85 games and missed the playoffs. Yanks won the division and had 87 wins and the WS.
I had faith in 2001 when the Sox only won 82 games and missed the playoffs AGAIN! Yanks won the division and had 95 wins.
I had faith in 2002 when the Sox only won 93 games and missed the playoffs AGAIN! Yanks won the division and had 103 wins.
I had faith in 2003 when the Sox only won 95 games in the regular season and got the beat down by the Yanks. Yanks won the division and had 101 wins
I had faith in 2004 when the Sox only won 98 games in the regular season but eventually won the WS by sliding in as the Wildcard. Yanks still won the division with 101 wins
I had faith in 2005 when the Yanks won the division again.
And again in 2006
And in 2007 we were only 2 wins from winning another after being under .500 at the break.

Summary... Why does a team that wins 2 WS and 1 Division in 10 years talk so much smack? ENVY! In the same span Yanks have 9 Division wins and are 4-2 in WS play. The numba's don't lie.


I won't put my money on Giambi because he is a recovering roid junkie who is always injured. A-Rod and Ortiz are close in offensive stats. So I should bet that Giambi will out hit Manny-me-me who is playing for his $20mil extension. Puh-lease.

If you want to put another fiver on which offense scores more runs I am all about that. JD Drew, Lowell and Tek aren't scaring anyone.


Fish

Edited to fix an incorrect stat.

Typical yanks fan runs at the mouth with stats...

How 'bout the stat that george spends the most in the league to field his team (and has done so for years) and he can't buy a WS these days. george even insulted one of the best managers (of course, Mr. Terry Francona is the best manager) in baseball and made him the scapegoat for a bunch of all-stars who can't play as a team.

2007 Payroll

1 New York Yankees $195,229,045
2 Boston Red Sox $143,123,714
3 New York Mets $116,115,819
4 Chicago White Sox $109,290,167
5 Anaheim Angels $109,251,333
6 Los Angeles Dodgers $108,704,524
7 Seattle Mariners $106,516,833
8 Chicago Cubs $99,936,999
9 Detroit Tigers $95,180,369
10 Baltimore Orioles $95,107,808
11 San Francisco Giants $90,469,056
12 St. Louis Cardinals $90,286,823
13 Atlanta Braves $89,492,685
14 Philadelphia Phillies $89,368,213
15 Houston Astros $87,759,500
16 Oakland Athletics $79,938,369
17 Toronto Blue Jays $79,925,600
18 Milwaukee Brewers $77,986,500
19 Minnesota Twins $71,439,500
20 Cincinnati Reds $69,654,980
21 Texas Rangers $68,818,675
22 Kansas City Royals $67,366,500
23 Cleveland Indians $61,289,667
24 San Diego Padres $58,235,567
25 Colorado Rockies $54,424,000
26 Arizona Diamondbacks $52,067,546
27 Pittsburgh Pirates $38,604,500
28 Washington Nationals $37,347,500
29 Florida Marlins $30,507,000
30 Tampa Bay Devil Rays $24,124,200


So Fish... put your money cigars where your mouth is and take my bet on whose wheelhouse does the most damage. If Giambi has been juicing as much as the rest of your goons then you should make out just fine. Have some FAITH (not stats) in your team. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[AngryFishH]

I have faith but I can't in good conscience bet on Giambi. Just like Doc couldn't bet on Lugo vs. Jeter. Just because it fits, doesn't mean it goes there. Ya know what I mean?

But, how come when Red Sox fans look at MLB salary's the conveniently forget to include the $50mil they paid for the rights to Dice? Thats like the whole payroll of the Arizona Diamondbacks. Wonder why they don't include that in the tally but they include Pavano in the Yankee payroll even though he was on the PUP list and paid by insurance. And, up until this year all of the monies the Yanks were getting from the Rangers to offset A-Rod's salary was not counted either. Curious at best...

Seriously, you sound like the Vanderbilt's complaining about the Oates's. At the end of the day our owner likes to spend on his team. Did you know that Dolan is worth $2.3bil? He has more, he just chooses not to spend it. Or the guy who owns the Twins is the richest owner in baseball? How can you blame Yankee fans for your cheap owner who doesn't spend on his team?

Look, if you are that upset, draw more fans and buy more hats. Then, maybe, your owner will spend more.

Anyways, why does the team with the second highest cumulative payroll in the decade complain about payroll? ENVY! They couldn't figure out (before 2004) that they could pay for good players. Weren't you watching the Sox of the 70's and 80's? Or are you just a bandwagoner? If the A's win this year will we see you in an Angels of Anaheim hat? Or maybe Cleveland?

Fish

 

[seadub]

Anyways, why does the team with the second highest cumulative payroll in the decade complain about payroll? ENVY! They couldn't figure out (before 2004) that they could pay for good players. Weren't you watching the Sox of the 70's and 80's? Or are you just a bandwagoner? If the A's win this year will we see you in an Angels of Anaheim hat? Or maybe Cleveland?

Fish

Don't take the bet then... that's fine Fish, I wouldn't expect a yanks fan to choose their heart over their head (which is telling them that the yanks "sluggers" actually suck). But I'll still take your silly bet about that swallower jeter.

There's absolutely no envy here. I'm not envious of the yanks and never would be. How about being envious of a team with a significantly smaller payroll that actually won a WS title last year... hmmm. I've been watching the BOSTON RED SOX play baseball ever since I knew what baseball was... so actually it was the 70s. A bandwagoner?... meh... methinks not. Ask that other silly fan, Vince. Geez... there was a day when he even supported the BOSTON RED SOX and then he turned coat when he moved to NYC... U G H.

This year is a new beginning for all teams. Momentum is an extremely powerful and strong force, a force that is clearly behind a certain team. This season will be very interesting with some of the changes that have occurred.

 

[Seavita]

Anyways, why does the team with the second highest cumulative payroll in the decade complain about payroll? ENVY! They couldn't figure out (before 2004) that they could pay for good players. Weren't you watching the Sox of the 70's and 80's? Or are you just a bandwagoner? If the A's win this year will we see you in an Angels of Anaheim hat? Or maybe Cleveland?

Fish

Don't take the bet then... that's fine Fish, I wouldn't expect a yanks fan to choose their heart over their head (which is telling them that the yanks "sluggers" actually suck). But I'll still take your silly bet about that swallower jeter.

There's absolutely no envy here. I'm not envious of the yanks and never would be. How about being envious of a team with a significantly smaller payroll that actually won a WS title last year... hmmm. I've been watching the BOSTON RED SOX play baseball ever since I knew what baseball was... so actually it was the 70s. A bandwagoner?... meh... methinks not. Ask that other silly fan, Vince. Geez... there was a day when he even supported the BOSTON RED SOX and then he turned coat when he moved to NYC... U G H.

That is an outright BOLD-FACED lie......I enjoy baseball, and even went to 3 whole games in Fenway in the 10+ years I lived in Boston. But I never even once for a millisecond stopped being a dyed in the wool blu pinstripe YANKEES fan....
Besides I was drunk nearly that whole time so anything I did or said back then was likely the booze talking...... :sign:

 

[AngryFishH]

Don't let him get under you skin Seavita. He is just upset because results count and the truth hurts. Typical Sox fan, want some cheese to go along with all that whine?

The Sox are built to be a pitching and defense team and the Yankees are built to be a slugging team with enough pitching to get by. How you can even make your silly slugging claims is beyond me. You count on 2 people for all your offense and we are balanced up and down the order.

So I did some poking...

I first thought you meant the Sox had more hits... but you have 0 players with 200+ hits and only 4 players over 150 hits while the Yankees had 1 player over 200 hits (Jeter) and 6 players over 150 hits.

So I looked at home runs... We each have 3 guys over 20 but your top three total 66 while our top 3 total 99 so that can't be it...

Maybe it is batting average you were referring to... You have 3 regular players over .300 for the season while we have 4.

Which stats are you referring to to promote your claim? Wouldn't you rather have the Sox have power throughout the order then just in the 3 and 4 spots?

If you like I can do a player by player career comparison to show you that the Sox are not a slugging team. Sreiously do you think that (offense only) JD Drew, Tek, Lugo are a better offensive 7,8,9 then Posada, Cano, Cabrera?

 

[seadub]

Don't let him get under you skin Seavita. He is just upset because results count and the truth hurts. Typical Sox fan, want some cheese to go along with all that whine?

The Sox are built to be a pitching and defense team and the Yankees are built to be a slugging team with enough pitching to get by. How you can even make your silly slugging claims is beyond me. You count on 2 people for all your offense and we are balanced up and down the order.

So I did some poking...

I first thought you meant the Sox had more hits... but you have 0 players with 200+ hits and only 4 players over 150 hits while the Yankees had 1 player over 200 hits (Jeter) and 6 players over 150 hits.

So I looked at home runs... We each have 3 guys over 20 but your top three total 66 while our top 3 total 99 so that can't be it...

Maybe it is batting average you were referring to... You have 3 regular players over .300 for the season while we have 4.

Which stats are you referring to to promote your claim? Wouldn't you rather have the Sox have power throughout the order then just in the 3 and 4 spots?

If you like I can do a player by player career comparison to show you that the Sox are not a slugging team. Sreiously do you think that (offense only) JD Drew, Tek, Lugo are a better offensive 7,8,9 then Posada, Cano, Cabrera?

Fish... I accepted your silly jeter bet... you waived your rattle around at any BOSTON RED SOX fan and I stepped up.

All your blabber proves my point about you yanks fans. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Yous guys always go to your stats. "Ah... the good ole' days when the yanks did this and the yanks did that."

Well... 2008 is here and this year not one team has done sqwat. So do you have heart? Do you have FAITH in your team and the overpaid, underproducing all-stars that play on it? Quit standing behind your stats. If your "sluggers" are that good then you should welcome the opportunity to prove me wrong and take my cigars. Heck, I'd be more than happy to send 'em to you if you win. I'll lay it on the line for the jeter bet and even who wins the AL East (and I'll cover Vincent on any of the bets he chooses to take... and I know he'll just take all of 'em because that's how he is ).

Clearly you're all up in a bunch about your beloved SS being called out and so you put on your yanks hat and walk the streets looking for some 'action.' "I'll find a BOSTON RED SOX fan and take it out on them. I'll make him listen to all my stats and bore him to death."

Seriously Fish, a fun bet is just that, a fun bet. No risk, no reward.

(believe me when I tell you... if you win you'll get way more than you expect)




edited to add more RED SOX red

 

[Dickson]

Don't let him get under you skin Seavita. He is just upset because results count and the truth hurts. Typical Sox fan, want some cheese to go along with all that whine?

The Sox are built to be a pitching and defense team and the Yankees are built to be a slugging team with enough pitching to get by. How you can even make your silly slugging claims is beyond me. You count on 2 people for all your offense and we are balanced up and down the order.

So I did some poking...

I first thought you meant the Sox had more hits... but you have 0 players with 200+ hits and only 4 players over 150 hits while the Yankees had 1 player over 200 hits (Jeter) and 6 players over 150 hits.

So I looked at home runs... We each have 3 guys over 20 but your top three total 66 while our top 3 total 99 so that can't be it...

Maybe it is batting average you were referring to... You have 3 regular players over .300 for the season while we have 4.

Which stats are you referring to to promote your claim? Wouldn't you rather have the Sox have power throughout the order then just in the 3 and 4 spots?

If you like I can do a player by player career comparison to show you that the Sox are not a slugging team. Sreiously do you think that (offense only) JD Drew, Tek, Lugo are a better offensive 7,8,9 then Posada, Cano, Cabrera?

Fish... I accepted your silly jeter bet... you waived your rattle around at any BOSTON RED SOX fan and I stepped up.

All your blabber proves my point about you yanks fans. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Yous guys always go to your stats. "Ah... the good ole' days when the yanks did this and the yanks did that."

Well... 2008 is here and this year not one team has done sqwat. So do you have heart? Do you have FAITH in your team and the overpaid, underproducing all-stars that play on it? Quit standing behind your stats. If your "sluggers" are that good then you should welcome the opportunity to prove me wrong and take my cigars. Heck, I'd be more than happy to send 'em to you if you win. I'll lay it on the line for the jeter bet and even who wins the AL East (and I'll cover Vincent on any of the bets he chooses to take... and I know he'll just take all of 'em because that's how he is ).

Clearly you're all up in a bunch about your beloved SS being called out and so you put on your yanks hat and walk the streets looking for some 'action.' "I'll find a BOSTON RED SOX fan and take it out on them. I'll make him listen to all my stats and bore him to death."

Seriously Fish, a fun bet is just that, a fun bet. No risk, no reward.

(believe me when I tell you... if you win you'll get way more than you expect)




edited to add more RED SOX red

WOW!!!!!

 

[AngryFishH]

So the season is about a third over and it is time for a recap.

The RedSox have played well, and the Yankees not as good. But considering two or our best hitters were on the DL and how badly we played the first third only being 5.5 games out is OK by me.

The record this AM was:

RedSox 46-29
Yankees 39-33

Hearing that Wang is now out for pretty much the season has led me to mixed feelings. Now it is almost assured we will trade for CC Sabathia and make a run. Hoo-rah!

As for the second part of the bet, Jeter is still way better then Lugo and this premium 10'er might be a wash. Or at least a blind fiver.

As we get down the stretch we will see who the better team/player is for 2008.


Fish