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Idea for a pass, but needs alot of thought

Gonz

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I've had this idea floating around in my head for a few years now, but I've never really tried to think it through to a conclusion. I don't think I've ever seen it done to the extent that I'm thinking. But if there's a way it could work I think it would make for a very interesting pass.

Cigars obviously are our primary reason for being here. However two other "vices" that I can think of that most of us enjoy are scotch & bourbon and Coffee. Actually a third category comes to mind, which would include pipe tobacco and premium cigarettes.

So what pitfalls would one need to overcome to pull off a pass where folks were trading for not only cigars, but also for liquor, coffee, pipe tobacco and premium cigarettes? The first and foremost would be how to ship a box full of these things around the country, since there's no way it would be economical or practical. The second question would be if it's ok to trade unlike products, such as an equal value bag of pipe tobacco for a cigar (just one of myriad examples). A third concern would be trying to keep a balance in the pass so in the end the last person still gets to trade for any or all of the content types.

I have an idea for the first issue, shipping. All of the heavier items would simply have vouchers placed in the pass by whoever places them. Then whoever takes the item will just need to get in contact with the owner of said item to arrange for shipping. Would the value of the item placed then include the reasonable cost of shipping it later, or would that need to be considered otherwise? For example, I place a voucher for a 750ml bottle of Black Label. Let's say it cost me $35 and shipping flat rate would be $9. Is an equal put for that bottle another bottle in the $35 range, and the person putting picks up shipping? Or how about they decide to place a $44 cigar, then would it be equal since the cigar won't ever need to be shipped again at a later date?


That's all I feel like writing about this now, let's hear some thoughts from others about this!
 
That sounds like a nice idea. Let me muddy the waters a bit an mention beer in the mix, as there are many regional brews that can be difficult to get. I like the addressing the shipping and to keep the diversity through out the pass, I think it should be like for like. This would be much like rare for rare and CC for CC. My 2 pesos.
 
I've had this idea floating around in my head for a few years now, but I've never really tried to think it through to a conclusion. I don't think I've ever seen it done to the extent that I'm thinking. But if there's a way it could work I think it would make for a very interesting pass.

Cigars obviously are our primary reason for being here. However two other "vices" that I can think of that most of us enjoy are scotch & bourbon and Coffee. Actually a third category comes to mind, which would include pipe tobacco and premium cigarettes.

So what pitfalls would one need to overcome to pull off a pass where folks were trading for not only cigars, but also for liquor, coffee, pipe tobacco and premium cigarettes? The first and foremost would be how to ship a box full of these things around the country, since there's no way it would be economical or practical. The second question would be if it's ok to trade unlike products, such as an equal value bag of pipe tobacco for a cigar (just one of myriad examples). A third concern would be trying to keep a balance in the pass so in the end the last person still gets to trade for any or all of the content types.

I have an idea for the first issue, shipping. All of the heavier items would simply have vouchers placed in the pass by whoever places them. Then whoever takes the item will just need to get in contact with the owner of said item to arrange for shipping. Would the value of the item placed then include the reasonable cost of shipping it later, or would that need to be considered otherwise? For example, I place a voucher for a 750ml bottle of Black Label. Let's say it cost me $35 and shipping flat rate would be $9. Is an equal put for that bottle another bottle in the $35 range, and the person putting picks up shipping? Or how about they decide to place a $44 cigar, then would it be equal since the cigar won't ever need to be shipped again at a later date?


That's all I feel like writing about this now, let's hear some thoughts from others about this!

Do virtuals...all the way around!

Bottle for bottle....cigar for cigar...etc for etc!
 
Sounds like a fun idea, but a managment nightmare. Vouchers are definitely the way to go on the liquor (and beer?). I'd say the "value" of the put should include shipping. You can argue either way, I think, so just pick one.

It'd be fun to be able to trade unlike items, too. It'd be far easier to manage if you didn't allow that, though.... decisions... :) If you did allow unlike trades, maybe there'd be a rule where you couldn't take the last of something in an unlike trade? You can't take the last bottle of liquor in trade for X cigars, for example. This would at least ensure there's one of each item available to the next person...
 
Sounds like a fun idea, but a managment nightmare. Vouchers are definitely the way to go on the liquor (and beer?). I'd say the "value" of the put should include shipping. You can argue either way, I think, so just pick one.

It'd be fun to be able to trade unlike items, too. It'd be far easier to manage if you didn't allow that, though.... decisions... :) If you did allow unlike trades, maybe there'd be a rule where you couldn't take the last of something in an unlike trade? You can't take the last bottle of liquor in trade for X cigars, for example. This would at least ensure there's one of each item available to the next person...

I like this idea the best. It's a great thought all around Gonz. :thumbs:
 
This sounds like a really good idea, something new.... :thumbs: X2

I think that going virtual might be the best way. It might get a bit tricky with shipping, seems a bit unfair to ask me to pay to ship my "puts" to you and also to pay to send my "takes" to me, In a normal pass there would be just one shipping charge. But, it is also not fair for you to pay all that shipping either. Has anyone ever heard of a pass with a buy-in? Seems against the nature of a pass but could help off set shipping maybe. This is just an idea, I hate not offering some sort of soulution when I bring up an issue.

Also like the mix and match trading, but a bottle of scotch can get a lot of pipe tobacco...

Again, I am really looking forward to watching this take shape, great idea Gonz.

Tim
 
Virtual p/t is the only feasible way to do it but it sounds like fun. I really like the coffee idea as I am always looking for a new fix...
 
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