I was in a car accident!

[bigmac]

I did read this post AS it was happening and I disagree, you guys are they ones who were the first to insult, all the posts are timestamped and he did not post his sigtag line before sarge called him a puke and you called him an assclown, the assclown reference was IN THE SIGTAG he posted(maybe he is clairvoiant). Good attempt but I cant buy it.You can try to give us a timeframe with links but I think you wont like the outcome, I didnt miss anything.By the way which is worse being cocky or calling someone a ****head, assclown, POS, piss ant, ignorant puke?

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You sir, are infinitely worse.

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From your mouth to gods ear.

 

[bigmac]

So are we mad because Gramps and Ken and others are defending there profession?  The profession that helps keep America safe? ???

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No KB I am not mad at all I just call it like it is, the guy may be guilty of some disrespect but respect is earned and I dont think they will get it the way they have attacked him.You cant defend every statement made about LEO's because some of them are true.If the guy was making personal observations and these guys had some insight then why not just explain and clarify, why attack?

P.S. as i have said before i have much respect for what they do as I know what they have to put up with also i have a brother that is a captain in the county here.

 

[stevehawk]

Oh ****, George and Sarge are both typing furiously as I read this thread. ???

 

[ggiese]

So are we mad because Gramps and Ken and others are defending there profession?  The profession that helps keep America safe? ???

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No KB I am not mad at all I just call it like it is, the guy may be guilty of some disrespect but respect is earned and I dont think they will get it the way they have attacked him.You cant defend every statement made about LEO's because some of them are true.If the guy was making personal observations and these guys had some insight then why not just explain and clarify, why attack?

P.S. as i have said before i have much respect for what they do as I know what they have to put up with also i have a brother that is a captain in the county here.

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You see it your way - I see it my way... You got a guy coming in here in his first post talking about a bunch of cops passing him in no passing zones, speeding, making u-turns and "breaking the law", like they were willy-nilly doing it to piss off the motoring public. He states that the local cops are towing cars just because they see stickers from other schools on them - that is out and out illegal!!! Those examples in and of themselves are an insult, ESPECIALLY if you have no clue as to what they were doing other than what your opinion is.

If you have respect for what they do, you would not be agreeing with what Hodgy posted unless he can back it up with facts. To then go into a cocky whine about the LEO profession being like putting carts away at a country club is going over the edge. Clearly - no where in ANY of his posts did he SHOW any respect for the LEO community - he just SAYS he has respect. His words are contrary to what he says are his intentions.

What I find interesting, BigMac - is you have a few other guys coming in here and posting what YOUR message was - that LEO's do mess up from time to time. Why was there no problem with them? So please tell me where it went from acceptance of everyone elses posts, and not Hodgy's. I think it has something to do with the presentation, wouldn't you agree?

And this is just assinine...

the guy may be guilty of some disrespect but respect is earned and I dont think they will get it the way they have attacked him.

Let me pat him on the butt and tell him it's okay when he's insulting established members of this board. That's okay, BigMac. I've got to earn his respect... BS!!!! The guy doesn't show respect from his first post on - and you think I'm going to earn it??? Go back and re-read my collegiate example - I think Hodgy knows full well what I'm talking about - he comes in as a Freshman, and acts like a Senior... Not a good move in anybody's book. You gotta show respect to earn respect. And you even admit you saw him being disrespectful - but that's okay, right?

Obviously you are bent on defending Hodgy - Have at it BigMac.

 

[ggiese]

Oh ****, George and Sarge are both typing furiously as I read this thread. ???

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I'm done...

 

[cigarsarge]

Oh ****, George and Sarge are both typing furiously as I read this thread. ???

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The sarge was typing but decided to cool off and post after he collected his thoughts.

Seems to me bigmac has opened a whopper of a can of worms. Maybe he should think before he posts as well. Hell...His history ain't that great here anyway.

 

[bigmac]

So are we mad because Gramps and Ken and others are defending there profession?  The profession that helps keep America safe? ???

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No KB I am not mad at all I just call it like it is, the guy may be guilty of some disrespect but respect is earned and I dont think they will get it the way they have attacked him.You cant defend every statement made about LEO's because some of them are true.If the guy was making personal observations and these guys had some insight then why not just explain and clarify, why attack?

P.S. as i have said before i have much respect for what they do as I know what they have to put up with also i have a brother that is a captain in the county here.

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You see it your way - I see it my way... You got a guy coming in here in his first post talking about a bunch of cops passing him in no passing zones, speeding, making u-turns and "breaking the law", like they were willy-nilly doing it to piss off the motoring public. He states that the local cops are towing cars just because they see stickers from other schools on them - that is out and out illegal!!! Those examples in and of themselves are an insult, ESPECIALLY if you have no clue as to what they were doing other than what your opinion is.

If you have respect for what they do, you would not be agreeing with what Hodgy posted unless he can back it up with facts. To then go into a cocky whine about the LEO profession being like putting carts away at a country club is going over the edge. Clearly - no where in ANY of his posts did he SHOW any respect for the LEO community - he just SAYS he has respect. His words are contrary to what he says are his intentions.



And this is just assinine...

the guy may be guilty of some disrespect but respect is earned and I dont think they will get it the way they have attacked him.

Let me pat him on the butt and tell him it's okay when he's insulting established members of this board. That's okay, BigMac. I've got to earn his respect... BS!!!! The guy doesn't show respect from his first post on - and you think I'm going to earn it??? Go back and re-read my collegiate example - I think Hodgy knows full well what I'm talking about - he comes in as a Freshman, and acts like a Senior... Not a good move in anybody's book. You gotta show respect to earn respect. And you even admit you saw him being disrespectful - but that's okay, right?

He was being disrespectful because YOU were being disrespectful, but what you are saying is he has to respect you FIRST then maybe you will show some respect, not a good way of getting respect INHO.

Obviously you are bent on defending Hodgy - Have at it BigMac.

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Never said I agree with what he said, but I dont agree with the way you and sarge have handled it either, he never made it personal you and sarge did, this is the problem I have.It is supposed to be against board policy to use profanity, he didnt you did.My only points.

Not defending him just trying to get the record straight, you have kind of skewed it a bit.I am not getting into a pissing match with you so you can carry on, just keep it civil please.

 

[bigmac]

Oh ****, George and Sarge are both typing furiously as I read this thread.  ???

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The sarge was typing but decided to cool off and post after he collected his thoughts.

Seems to me bigmac has opened a whopper of a can of worms. Maybe he should think before he posts as well. Hell...His history ain't that great here anyway.

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Go ahead, I know you cant take a bit of constructive criticism, go ahead and attack me now, have at it.

 

[cigarsarge]

Oh ****, George and Sarge are both typing furiously as I read this thread.   ???

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The sarge was typing but decided to cool off and post after he collected his thoughts.

Seems to me bigmac has opened a whopper of a can of worms. Maybe he should think before he posts as well. Hell...His history ain't that great here anyway.

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Go ahead, I know you cant take a bit of constructive criticism, go ahead and attack me now, have at it.

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Who is attacking who bigmac. Seems like the pot is calling the kettle black.

Better think before you post.

 

[bigmac]

Oh ****, George and Sarge are both typing furiously as I read this thread.   ???

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The sarge was typing but decided to cool off and post after he collected his thoughts.

Seems to me bigmac has opened a whopper of a can of worms. Maybe he should think before he posts as well. Hell...His history ain't that great here anyway.

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Go ahead, I know you cant take a bit of constructive criticism, go ahead and attack me now, have at it.

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Who is attacking who bigmac. Seems like the pot is calling the kettle black.

Better think before you post.

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I am just stating the record,Show me where I attacked anyone. we will se who gets attacked.

 

[bigmac]

Maybe we should all remember these board rules, you too Neal.

We pride ourselves on maintaining a pleasant, nice, fun and respected cigar community. We ask that you please follow the below rules in order to maintain our unique image.

1.) No Flaming - please do not flame fellow members.

2.) Do not post defamatory, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing or obscene messages in the forum.

 

[MilesMingusMonk]

Maybe we should all remember these board rules, you too Neal.

We pride ourselves on maintaining a pleasant, nice, fun and respected cigar community. We ask that you please follow the below rules in order to maintain our unique image.

1.) No Flaming - please do not flame fellow members.

2.) Do not post defamatory, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing or obscene messages in the forum.

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Oooohhhh by the way, BigMac, Happy Anniversary! :thumbs: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[ggiese]

So are we mad because Gramps and Ken and others are defending there profession?  The profession that helps keep America safe? ???

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No KB I am not mad at all I just call it like it is, the guy may be guilty of some disrespect but respect is earned and I dont think they will get it the way they have attacked him.You cant defend every statement made about LEO's because some of them are true.If the guy was making personal observations and these guys had some insight then why not just explain and clarify, why attack?

P.S. as i have said before i have much respect for what they do as I know what they have to put up with also i have a brother that is a captain in the county here.

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You see it your way - I see it my way... You got a guy coming in here in his first post talking about a bunch of cops passing him in no passing zones, speeding, making u-turns and "breaking the law", like they were willy-nilly doing it to piss off the motoring public. He states that the local cops are towing cars just because they see stickers from other schools on them - that is out and out illegal!!! Those examples in and of themselves are an insult, ESPECIALLY if you have no clue as to what they were doing other than what your opinion is.

If you have respect for what they do, you would not be agreeing with what Hodgy posted unless he can back it up with facts. To then go into a cocky whine about the LEO profession being like putting carts away at a country club is going over the edge. Clearly - no where in ANY of his posts did he SHOW any respect for the LEO community - he just SAYS he has respect. His words are contrary to what he says are his intentions.

Never said I agree with what he said, but I dont agree with the way you and sarge have handled it either, he never made it personal you and sarge did, this is the problem I have.It is supposed to be against board policy to use profanity, he didnt you did.My only points.


And this is just assinine...

the guy may be guilty of some disrespect but respect is earned and I dont think they will get it the way they have attacked him.

Let me pat him on the butt and tell him it's okay when he's insulting established members of this board. That's okay, BigMac. I've got to earn his respect... BS!!!! The guy doesn't show respect from his first post on - and you think I'm going to earn it??? Go back and re-read my collegiate example - I think Hodgy knows full well what I'm talking about - he comes in as a Freshman, and acts like a Senior... Not a good move in anybody's book. You gotta show respect to earn respect. And you even admit you saw him being disrespectful - but that's okay, right?

He was being disrespectful because YOU were being disrespectful, but what you are saying is he has to respect you FIRST then maybe you will show some respect, not a good way of getting respect INHO.

Obviously you are bent on defending Hodgy - Have at it BigMac.

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Not defending him just trying to get the record straight, you have kind of skewed it a bit.I am not getting into a pissing match with you so you can carry on, just keep it civil please.

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You are not trying to defend him? Really... It appears to me you are not trying to set the record straight - you are trying to skew it to meet what you deem as straight in favor of Hodgy.

Okay, BigMac - have at it. You started this most recent discussion after everything has died down - please carry on... I'm very interested in what you have to say.

Let me start... Hodgy came in here and posted some assinine, nonsensical crap about cops breaking laws to obviously piss off the public (i.e. speeding, driving down medians, making u-turns, etc.) - of course he doesn't REALLY know why the officers were doing that, but in his mind that was the reason for it. Back it up with facts... What, there are no facts?? Oh, my... I guess we should trust what Hodgy has to say on the matter because he's obviously had YEARS of experience in such matters, right? He's been on all kind of ride alongs and has seen the evil grin of officers as they act like an a$$ while driving, just looking for other motorists to be pissed off...

Then he makes an assinine statement in his second paragraph of that first post that cops are towing cars as a vengeful way of dealing with people from other schools visiting his campus. Again, breaking the law to act sadistic towards the general public. Oh, boy... That had to have pissed them off... Of course Hodgy was right there participating in the discussion as the officers were hooking the cars up!!! That's how he knows... But wait, he DOES respect cops!!!

It goes down from there, admittedly, because Hodgy doesn't feel he owes any respect to any member of this board. Let's see - we gotta show him respect to get respect - is that what you think, BigMac? Okay - if that is a truism according to your standard - where was the respect Hodgy showed to members of this board? You think maybe he should have shown some respect? After all, you did say he was disrespectful... Oh, that's okay - he's a new guy and just doesn't know... Right?

At what point did you say to yourself, BigMac - Oh, Crap - Hodgy is going to get a earful with this series of posts? And why weren't you there saying to him "Hodgy, best just to let this one lie - you're going to get an earful..." You, sir - KNOW BETTER!!! You've been here long enough to know a beat down was coming based on his attitude. And now you're going to carry on??? Please....

I always wanted to be a fireman and I'll tell you why. (Sorry, Swissy, but it's true). A fireman comes to your house when your toaster catches fire, putting black smoke in the kitchen. The Firemen come in the house, punch holes in the walls and ceilings with a pike pole for "ventilation". Climb on the roof and cut out a huge section with a K-10 tool. They do thousands of dollars worth of damage to the house. And as the fireman are rolling up their hoses, getting ready to leave, the homeowner is happily trailing them with checkbook in hand, asking them where he can make his contribution to.

Cops, on the other hand, stop you for speeding (which you clearly are doing) - you yell and scream at the officer, call him all kinds of bad names, and tell him you WERE going to make a contribution to the police department, but screw that!!! All over a $75.00 ticket. And I've seen that vendetta carry on for DECADES after the ticket was issued.

I know, BigMac - you have RESPECT for what the LEO's do... Lip service, BigMac - nothing but pure lip service...

 

[SamClemmons]

Maybe we should all remember these board rules, you too Neal.

We pride ourselves on maintaining a pleasant, nice, fun and respected cigar community. We ask that you please follow the below rules in order to maintain our unique image.

1.) No Flaming - please do not flame fellow members.

2.) Do not post defamatory, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing or obscene messages in the forum.

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Oh my... I broke the rules? I dearly wanted to tell you to go fugg yerself but I didn't. I didn't say you were a puffed up blowhard or that you are unpleasnant and smell bad. I showed great restraint. You, of all people, talking about "board rules", now that is laughable. I'm laughing here AC. Yuckin' it up.

NA

 

[Swissy]

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I always wanted to be a fireman and I'll tell you why. (Sorry, Swissy, but it's true). A fireman comes to your house when your toaster catches fire, putting black smoke in the kitchen. The Firemen come in the house, punch holes in the walls and ceilings with a pike pole for "ventilation". Climb on the roof and cut out a huge section with a K-10 tool. They do thousands of dollars worth of damage to the house. And as the fireman are rolling up their hoses, getting ready to leave, the homeowner is happily trailing them with checkbook in hand, asking them where he can make his contribution to.

Cops, on the other hand, stop you for speeding (which you clearly are doing) - you yell and scream at the officer, call him all kinds of bad names, and tell him you WERE going to make a contribution to the police department, but screw that!!! All over a $75.00 ticket. And I've seen that vendetta carry on for DECADES after the ticket was issued.
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Aw crap... I was trying to stay outta this one! :whistling:

No problem George... I fully agree. Most people love to see us driving up in our truck- regardless of the damage we'll do to stop even MORE damage. Give me a big, honkin' on fire ANY DAY. I can control it (most of the time), predict it and put it out. PEOPLE, on the other hand, scare the crap outta me... totally unpredictable and uncontrollable.

You, and all the other LEO's (I still use coppers, but I know alot of them here and they laugh...) have every ounce of my respect...there is no way in willy-nilly hell that I would ever want to do your job. Like I said, give me a 2nd alarm fire any day.

That being said, I also agree with others that not ALL LEO are as respectable as we'd like. but, they are only human and humans do, on occasion, make mistakes. The same goes for firemen (got some doozy stories I could tell... :whistling: ), military and any other 'positions of authority'. Alot of how the public percieves it is how it is splashed across the news (and how I *HATE* the news), and also how it is handled by the respective department after the fact. But then, not all of the facts always come out either- just the 'gory' details. Much like the analogy of the Rodney King events... I'd like to say that people would be able to read between the lines in times like that, but I know better...

I'm too new here to make any other comments regarding this post... I made a few boo-boo's when I first joined too... :blush:

Just maybe not as big as taking on a couple of established members with what I would also agree was a little(?) bit of an attitude... so it'll be interesting to see how this all transpires and how Hodgy handles himself after the fact. Taking the inflammatory sig line out was a good first step -even if he was warned to...

Hodgy, welcome- but you've got a little uphill battle with some people here..

 

[cigarsarge]

It's obvious hodgy and bigmuck don't have a clue about what they are trying to speak about. Neither one has presented a valid arguement.

Hodgy just has no clue at all. bigmuck thinks he knows it all because he has some relative who is in law enforcment. He has ridden along or so he says with officers. This is a good thing, but it in no way qualifies him to pass judgement on any oficer. When he suits up and lives the life on a daily basis he will have no clue on what we do or why we do it.

IMHO both these people are trolls and should be treated as such. I know of a board that they might fit in at. You two can PM for details and the link. It is full of misfits like you.

 

[UTKhodgy]

I was present for TWO towings of opponent vehicles AFTER the UT v. Florida game on September 18, 2004. If you would like the location, and general description of events, I can surely cough them up.

By the way, the sig tag came AFTER the "Assclown" image was posted and I was "given" the Assclown Type R award, as I deservedly earned. The sig tag was just a smart a$$ retort to level the field.

There are always those few who abuse which bring down a bad rap on the majority. I for one have been witness to several questionable acts by Memphis police officers that involved flying down the median/turn lanes just to get away from traffic. Or tailgating cars when they are going the exact speed limit in an attempt to get them to speed up (this happens to me all the time to and from work), or even turning on their lights at a red light and running through it then turning their lights off, pulling U-turns in the middle of the road are all examples of how I see cops pulling traffic violations on a daily basis.

My respect for police officers has not changed though, as I know it is just a select few that abuse their power.

PS, don't park where you aren't supposed to in Knoxville and have an opposing school's sticker on your car! It will get towed! Cops in Knoxville bleed Orange and it is great.

First off, tell me where there is a direct personal attack in this post? Second, not once in this post did I say the cops did those things to "piss off" public motorists.

So, thank you, all you "AWFUL" amount of people for twisting this post in two different lights.

I treat people how they treat me, so, that is probably where the disrespect came from.

 

[cigarsarge]

I was present for TWO towings of opponent vehicles AFTER the UT v. Florida game on September 18, 2004. If you would like the location, and general description of events, I can surely cough them up.

By the way, the sig tag came AFTER the "Assclown" image was posted and I was "given" the Assclown Type R award, as I deservedly earned. The sig tag was just a smart a$$ retort to level the field.

There are always those few who abuse which bring down a bad rap on the majority. I for one have been witness to several questionable acts by Memphis police officers that involved flying down the median/turn lanes just to get away from traffic. Or tailgating cars when they are going the exact speed limit in an attempt to get them to speed up (this happens to me all the time to and from work), or even turning on their lights at a red light and running through it then turning their lights off, pulling U-turns in the middle of the road are all examples of how I see cops pulling traffic violations on a daily basis.

My respect for police officers has not changed though, as I know it is just a select few that abuse their power.

PS, don't park where you aren't supposed to in Knoxville and have an opposing school's sticker on your car! It will get towed! Cops in Knoxville bleed Orange and it is great.

First off, tell me where there is a direct personal attack in this post? Second, not once in this post did I say the cops did those things to "piss off" public motorists.

So, thank you, all you "AWFUL" amount of people for twisting this post in two different lights.

I treat people how they treat me, so, that is probably where the disrespect came from.

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First of all, any talk of you witnessing a towing without the officers point of view would be skewed in your favor.

Second..You deserve the title of assclown, just because.

Third...You observed questionable acts by officers yet you contacted no one for an explaination.

Fourth...You seem to condone acts of unprofessionalism is if suits YOUR agenda.

Fifth..An asttack on by brothers is an attack on me. If you file a complaint and it is justified it is not an attack. More power to you.

Sixth...You seem to be doing all the twisting. Your point of view changes to suit you. Mine are consistant.

Seventh...You started bashing my profession with allegations that there is no way for you to prove. You disrespected me and mine first. You got what you asked for. You truly deserve your title.

Maybe you and bigmac could get together and come up with something legit. But I seriously doubt it.

 

[KayakinBoy]

Paging Leebo...

Clean up on forum 4 :sign:

 

[ggiese]

First off, tell me where there is a direct personal attack in this post?

Here ya go... Personal attacks on the Memphis Police Department:

Here ("Questionable Acts" of Memphis police officers)...

I for one have been witness to several questionable acts by Memphis police officers that involved flying down the median/turn lanes just to get away from traffic.

Here(included in above statement of "Questionable acts" of Memphis police officers)...

Or tailgating cars when they are going the exact speed limit in an attempt to get them to speed up (this happens to me all the time to and from work),

Here (More "Questionable acts" of Memphis police officers)...

or even turning on their lights at a red light and running through it then turning their lights off, pulling U-turns in the middle of the road are all examples of how I see cops pulling traffic violations on a daily basis.

Here (Knoxville PD is the subject of your personal attack, although it appears you agree with their towing opposing schools cars because you think it's "great")...

PS, don't park where you aren't supposed to in Knoxville and have an opposing school's sticker on your car! It will get towed!

You state you've witnessed all these acts - but now please post FACTS about what the officers were doing in each of these cases? Were they responding to calls? Were they going to lunch? Were they going off duty? Were they doing it to piss off other motorists? Just exactly what were each of these officers doing on an apparent daily basis by your own description (because you did say "I see cops pulling traffic violations on a daily basis"). Your first paragraph in that statement would definitely lead the reader to assume the Memphis Police Department violate substantive traffic laws on a daily basis... If that's not a personal attack, I don't know what is. Unless of course you can back up your statement with facts that support they were not in the performance of their job. As CigarSarge has already pointed out that Tennessee police officers may drive irrespective of the traffic laws when in actual performance of their duties - but I have yet to see any proof they weren't, other than you THINKING they weren't.

Further - you feel the traffic violations are without merit, or you wouldn't be posting it in this thread and saying "I see cops pulling traffic violations on a daily basis." And the offenses you mention are all serious traffic violations, not just minor mistakes, but major problems (speeding, taillgating, violating a median, disregarding a traffic light). Typically law enforcement targets those offenses because that is considered aggressive driving and is very dangerous. Offenses that courts and the general public view as particularly offensive. Was it brought here to stir emotion, Hodgy?

While I am willing to say that from "time to time" this happens (not every day, on a daily basis) officers violate traffic laws. Just as the general motoring public does as well. But from the tone of your post - the clear statement "questionable acts" evokes a sense of recklessness on behalf of the Memphis Police Department that clearly is what I was talking about in taking you to task.

If that was not your intent, then I strongly suggest you more carefully word your posts in the future. Because your over zealousness in your choice of words caused you to be flamed - and your cocky attitude afterwards caused it to get worse. And if it was more sinister than that (i.e. a "baiting" post), you deserve far worse than what you've gotten...