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I was in a car accident!

I or anyone else who hasn't been a officer, fireman, or soldier(and some others) will never know what it is like. Or why they do certain things.

I'm lucky and don't have to worried that I might not come home to my family for "Just doing my Job." So until you do one of these professions just STFU. Bad mouthing them for any reason is just plain stupid. Let them handle their own.

A couple of my life experience that I hope have made me a little wiser:

I have been a volunteer fire fighter and have run into a burning building when I was single and young. Now that I have a family? Well I know I have second thoughts on doing this.

I also Hunt. Once or twice I had to deal with some other Hunters who get all worked up over a $2 bird.(Bunch of hot heads with shotguns) While these situation are mild compared to the day to day life of our fine LEO & soldiers it has made me think.


So before you decide to bash some off our fine service people think and then STFU! Or at least just STFU!
 
oh man.....hmm i somehow have a hard time believing that officers would speed in an intersection for no reason, because they probably have seen what can happen if a large vehicle crashes into them, which probably would end in a not so happy ending...oh well but what the hell do i know i'm 20 years old :cool:

lol sorry for that, I wrote it in a hurry and noticed my misstake afterwards
 
Ekans said:
oh man.....hmm i somehow have a hard time believing that officers would speed in an intercourse for no reason, because they probably have seen what can happen if a large vehicle crashes into them, which probably would end in a not so happy ending...oh well but what the hell do i know i'm 20 years old :cool:
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Maybe they just wanted a quicky! :sign:



It's Intersection. :whistling:
 
Diesel Grinch said:
Ekans said:
oh man.....hmm i somehow have a hard time believing that officers would speed in an intercourse for no reason, because they probably have seen what can happen if a large vehicle crashes into them, which probably would end in a not so happy ending...oh well but what the hell do i know i'm 20 years old  :cool:
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Maybe they just wanted a quicky! :sign:



It's Intersection. :whistling:
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ROFLMAO

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Diesel Grinch said:
Ekans said:
oh man.....hmm i somehow have a hard time believing that officers would speed in an intercourse for no reason, because they probably have seen what can happen if a large vehicle crashes into them, which probably would end in a not so happy ending...oh well but what the hell do i know i'm 20 years old  :cool:
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Maybe they just wanted a quicky! :sign:



It's Intersection. :whistling:
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They call it a intercourse in a lot of european countries and if you will note he is from a scandinavian country I believe. ;)
 
bigmac said:
Diesel Grinch said:
Ekans said:
oh man.....hmm i somehow have a hard time believing that officers would speed in an intercourse for no reason, because they probably have seen what can happen if a large vehicle crashes into them, which probably would end in a not so happy ending...oh well but what the hell do i know i'm 20 years old  :cool:
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Maybe they just wanted a quicky! :sign:



It's Intersection. :whistling:
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They call it a intercourse in a lot of european countries and if you will note he is from a scandinavian country I believe. ;)
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UTKhodgy said:
cigarsarge said:
Obvioulsy you have never been a part of anything worth while to the community. Until you grow up and contribute to that community you will never get it.
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I'd love to hear what it takes to contribute to the community IYHO.

Maybe I should go find a job that requires a little more responsibility and a greater risk factor. Or I could increase the amount of volunteer work I already do. Maybe I could vote in the city council elections, or write letters to my senator. I guess working, paying taxes and bills and trying to get a higher education isn't enough for 18 years of age.

Must be scary to you two that the under the constitution I can get a say in who our president can be.
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18 years of age
Key point to UTK's position

"I got a
Baby's brain and an old man's heart
Took eighteen years to get this far
Don't always know what I'm talkin' about
Feels like I'm livin' in the middle of doubt
Cause I'm eighteen
I get confused every day
Eighteen
I just don't know what to say
Eighteen"

:cool:
Bill
 
Love the signature, got to wonder if thats a new one...

By the way I'll steer clear of this thread now. I'll let you Big Boys take the last laugh on the playground.
 
UTKhodgy said:
Love the signature, got to wonder if thats a new one...

By the way I'll steer clear of this thread now. I'll let you Big Boys take the last laugh on the playground.
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I'm with him. I gave up posting 3 pages ago when I realized it didn't really matter what I had to say. Been an interesting read though. Sorry for starting such a heated discussion. Didn't really mean to. :whistling:
 
Lumberg said:
ggiese said:
Lumberg said:
ggiese, cigarsarge, Bkcloud, do you agree that, in the recent history of all LE in the USA, there have been some officers that have acted inappropriately? That yes, it's likely they speed through intersections for a good reason, but there have been instances that there was not a good reason?
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Ok, Lum... I'll bite... There's of course a right answer to this question - what is the purpose of your post. Please carry on with the thought.
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I think the point here is that LEOs are not infallible. Yes, 9 times out of 10 (99/100? 6/7?) there's a good reason for what they do.
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It's interesting that you point out statistical analysis to support your position - and even MORE interesting you say "9 times out of ten, 99 out of 100, 6 out of 7". 6 out of 7 is not the same as 99 out of 100. Which is a good point because I don't think you CAN put a number on it - and I don't think you can statistically point to the situation when it will occur. And anyone who would use that logic MUST understand it is flawed...

Are cops infallible? You'd really like to think so, given they have your life and freedom in their hands at times. Truth is, NO, they are not infallible. Cops are simply human beings. They are subject to the same prejudices and human frailties as every one else. I didn't get my Superman cape when I was sworn in. But I did go through a pretty rigorous background, polygraph and psych testing when I was hired, so I gotta think that some of the more dangerous frailties may not be there. Theoretically, anyway, I'm not a nut case (although there will be those who argue to the contrary, but that's a different story altogether, and if you get me drunk enough I might tell you about it...)

Have I made mistakes? You betcha! Would I do it again? I don't know the answer to that question - but I'd like to think that I wouldn't. I have noticed, though, that my mistakes become less and less as the years go by - especially the REALLY BIG mistakes I made as a rookie...

But - I DO NOT like being branded "racist" because someone felt that I stopped them because they were a minority. I can't be very fond of the guy who says, "I'm gonna have your badge!" because he didn't like it when I threatened to arrest him for harassing a neighbor. I'm not thrilled when I'm told I'm a "Nazi" when I stop someone for speeding. And I don't like it when the main stream press jumps all over a sensational story about how racist the members of my department are because one of them stopped a minority "without justification", when I knew it was quite the opposite - seeing the guy all over the evening news spouting garbage about how he was "mistreated", knowing he hadn't been - watching the community paying out a "settlement" when it was unwarranted and unjustified just to save the costs of litigation.

And I especially don't like someone telling me they don't like the way I'm driving (and you are referring to ME when you talk about the cops in Tennessee) when the person complaining does not know all the facts and circumstances - because I've been the one on the receiving end of the unwarranted accusation and had to face questioning by my supervisor over someone's ignorant observation. Even more troubling, is someone posting "authoritatively" on an Internet cigar board about their observations and "knowing" what they saw the oficers doing was inappropriate...

I love being told over and over for many years now how easy my job is - especially by those who don't have a clue as to how hard it really is.
 
UTKhodgy said:
By the way I'll steer clear of this thread now. I'll let you Big Boys take the last laugh on the playground.
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Nathan Rahl said:
UTKhodgy said:
By the way I'll steer clear of this thread now. I'll let you Big Boys take the last laugh on the playground.
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I'm with him. I gave up posting 3 pages ago when I realized it didn't really matter what I had to say. Been an interesting read though. Sorry for starting such a heated discussion. Didn't really mean to. :whistling:
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Good idea - at least Nathan got it fairly early on - Hodgy's got a bit more testosterone than Nathan so it took him a bit longer to know when to quit.

Unfortunately, the damage was already done... But, at least Nathan's got a much shallower hole to climb out of.
 
I'm just going to pipe up one last time here and say, ggiese, thanks for making my point, especially the first paragraph.

:thumbs:

Gonna make it to Chicago Heights on the 30th?
 
My wife arrested me last night in the bedroom while dressed up as a female officer.

Man, those furry handcuffs sure are hard to get out of!
 
For all the bull**** all police officers and fire personell get, I feel those occupations are underpaid by a mile. My dad was a Captain on the Providence Fire Dept for 33 yrs. How many holidays he missed and birthdays we can not count. He was shot at on numerous occasions trying to save the life of a "gangbanger" who later tried to sue my dad and the dept. because it hurt when they put the iv in too many times cause the jerks veins were flat due to his keen herion addiction. Or the time the guy with AIDS spit on him and then bit him and gave him hepititus, or the person who flug **** at him while trying to pull a suicidal guy off the top of a roof...whoever harps on these guys cause they "sped thru a red light" or pulled xyz motorist over....get the f*** over it! Lemme see you run into a burning building, or pull joe schmo over on a dark street at 2am, or wrestle a perp to the ground. The men and woman on Police and Fire Depts. deserve respect, and remember, they are humans like the rest of us, not some infallable machine. Damm this one lit my fuse...
To all of you guys here on the board who are LEO's and FF's and Military, I salute you for dealing with the **** and making my life a little safer.
Rant over....



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Law Enforcement is a tough profession, I don't think many will argue that point. What I think don't a lot of people realize is that they are the civilian masters of the law enforcement body. We decide how much money we will use to equip them, what laws they will enforce, and in someway how they will conduct their business. People selfishly point out that a LEO did this or that and/or why can't I do that, rather than stepping back and saying, "I am glad we had the foresight to establish a body to protect our society." I feel an ownership with local government bodies, and am thankful for those that man these stations.

However as someone said earlier this business is a thin blue (or whatever color it maybe) line of protection, but I think it is a street that goes both ways. When a LEO screws up it can have horrific consequences, more so than any other job in the country. A corrupt or unprofessional LEO body can destroy or severely alter the fabric of our communities and it can be a huge problem.

The savage beating of man and subsequent acquittal of those officers who beat this man, sparked a riot that caused the death of 54 people and over a $1 billion dollars of damage, this is a problem. Faulty police work lead to the exoneration of 13 people in Illinois who were sentenced to death and a moratorium on the death penalty in this state, this is a problem. The tensions that exists in many urban areas between the law enforcement body and minorities is a problem.

The law enforcement system is not perfect. They do an outstanding job under difficult circumstances, but it is a system in which they must at all times not be subject to the corruption for which they are sworn to protect. As said earlier it is a thin line of protection for both those who serve and those who are served. Unfortunately as in any profession this does not happen all the time.
 
"I didn't get my Superman cape when I was sworn in." - Gramps



But if you had, you'd look like this:
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The day Gramps was sworn in.

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Current Day Gramps aka Superman
 
Great thread . . .

Cops are like Attorneys, they both are called a bunch of names but both are sooooooooooooo appreciated when you need one.
 
Peekay said:
Law Enforcement is a tough profession, I don't think many will argue that point. What I think don't a lot of people realize is that they are the civilian masters of the law enforcement body. We decide how much money we will use to equip them, what laws they will enforce, and in someway how they will conduct their business. People selfishly point out the a LEO did this or that and/or why can't I do that, rather than stepping back and saying, "I am glad we had the foresight to establish a body to protect our society." I feel an ownership with local government bodies, and am thankful for those that man these stations.

However as someone said earlier this business is a thin blue (or whatever color it maybe) line of protection, but I think it is a street that goes both ways. When a LEO screws up it can have horrific consequences, more so than any other job in the country. A corrupt or unprofessional LEO body can destroy or severely alter the fabric of our communities and it can be a huge problem.

The savage beating of man and subsequent acquittal of those officers who beat this man, sparked a riot that caused the death over 54 people and over a $1 billion dollars of damage, this is a problem. Faulty police work lead to the exoneration of 13 people in Illinois who were sentenced to death and a moratorium on the death penalty in this state, this is a problem. The tensions that exists in many urban areas between the law enforcement body and minorities is a problem.

The law enforcement system is not perfect. They do an outstanding job under difficult circumstances, but it is a system in which they must at all times not be subject to the corruption for which they are sworn to protect. As said earlier it is a thin line of protection for both those who serve and those who are served. Unfortunately as in any profession this does not happen all the time.
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Peekay - point well taken, however one of the examples you used is the PERFECT example of an illustration of my point...

You have the beating of Rodney King in California. A short clip of that beating is shown over and over again on TV during prime time - it's a sensational story. You've got a bunch of cops standing over a "helpless" man, "needlessly" beating the crap out of him... People screamed in public about what a bunch of thugs the police officers were...

What's not shown often at all is the FIRST part of that tape that caused the event to end where it did. Mostly because it's long a boring. BUT, if the public had been shown that tape, they would have seen a suspect fleeing from police, obviously bent of not being captured, causing all kinds of officers to attempt his capture. He is finally cornered - begins charging at the officers as they close in on them - taunts them (he's a pretty big guy on drugs). The officers try to maintain their distance and gain a "tactical" advantage on Mr. King. One of the officers shoots a taser at Mr. King, knocking him to the ground. Despite the 50,000 volt jolt, and instructions to remain on the ground, Mr. King does not want to stop the fight. He keeps trying to get up. The officers want him to stay down. That is the seconds captured and shown over and over again - that section of time between the time he's tased and them taking him into custody.

The public reacted to the picture painted by the media - not the actions of the officers. The reason the officers were acquited in state court was because they had acted within the law given the circumstances. The jury was shown the WHOLE tape. While it may appear brutal to most people, the officers were attempting to subdue a suspect who did not want to give up the fight.

What's interesting about that illustration goes back to what I said earlier. What most people judge an event by is their personal knowledge and experience. If you've never been in that kind of cluster-fu(k before, you can't possibly understand how incredibly crazy it is. When I first saw that tape I wondered where the rest of it was - because I knew there had to be more. I doubt anyone outside the law enforcement community felt that way - they believed this is the way cops act. You have 4 or 5 officers standing around a deranged individual who does not want to be captured. I've been there - and it's not pretty. I didn't like being in the situation, but had no choice. Where natural instinct would be flight, the officer has to go against instinct and fight - despite a very ugly situation.

Believe me - I would have much rather been at home smoking a stogie and sucking on a PBR than involving myself in a situation like that. Again, unless you're in that position at some time in your life, you can't POSSIBLY understand what that feels like.
 
KayakinBoy said:
"I didn't get my Superman cape when I was sworn in." - Gramps



But if you had, you'd look like this:
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The day Gramps was sworn in.

supermanwitheyesclosed.jpg

Current Day Gramps aka Superman
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Oh, I see you're still a little sore over the photo of you holding the lunch box.... :sign:
 
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