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UTKhodgy said:
But hey, I just work a menial summer job in order to pay for college, my 'profession' is in no way 'noble'.
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You know what, you're right. I'll just remain one of the many 'clueless' general public until I find myself in one of these multi-million dollar lawsuits, or in a situation at which my life is in danger.

Everyone knows that cops face these every day, so when you keep throwing it into the discussion I just think you are taking the Holier than Thou approach. I assume you knew what you were getting into when you got into Law Enforcement.

Different jobs bring different expectations. I would expect a LEO to be an upstanding citizen who believes in the law more so than the average citizen and holds the law to a higher standard. Therefore, by breaking it, just seems highly hypocritical.

Anywho

EDIT: directed towards the last post by Cigarsarge above mine ^^
 
UTKhodgy said:
UTKhodgy said:
But hey, I just work a menial summer job in order to pay for college, my 'profession' is in no way 'noble'. 
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You know what, you're right. I'll just remain one of the many 'clueless' general public until I find myself in one of these multi-million dollar lawsuits, or in a situation at which my life is in danger.

Everyone knows that cops face these every day, so when you keep throwing it into the discussion I just think you are taking the Holier than Thou approach. I assume you knew what you were getting into when you got into Law Enforcement.

Different jobs bring different expectations. I would expect a LEO to be an upstanding citizen who believes in the law more so than the average citizen and holds the law to a higher standard. Therefore, by breaking it, just seems highly hypocritical.

Anywho

EDIT: directed towards the last post by Cigarsarge above mine ^^
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Where in the hell do I seem holier than thou. I was merely explaining what LEOs face every day. I knew exactly what I was doing when I took the job. I would venture to say a lot less cops break the law than an average citizen. Seems like you got caught breaking the law and did not like the results. When ignorant pukes slander us it just makes our job harder.

You have no clue on the subject you are attempting to speak on. Who don't you just go back to mamma. Maybe she can slap some sense into your head. :thumbs: I for one am done with your babble.
 
cigarsarge said:
Seems like you got caught breaking the law and did not like the results.

Considering I have yet to be pulled over for any offense, or been in any trouble with the law...

Seems to me you just focus more on the negative attention you get being a LEO than the positive, and you do not "like the results".

cigarsarge said:
When ignorant pukes slander us it just makes our job harder.

Soooo sorry. Let me use the same exact stereotypes in the same exact sentence you just did to show how pointless this is.

When ignorant geezers abandon carts or decide to play nine holes at 8PM it just makes my job harder.

I'm sure hearing a few harsh words from a young adult doesn't hold a candle, in regards to making your job more difficult, to some situations you have to face on the street.

Wait, you're right, it does make you're job harder, but only when you stop and spend so much time fretting over it instead of moving on.

cigarsarge said:
You have no clue on the subject you are attempting to speak on. Who don't you just go back to mamma. Maybe she can slap some sense into your head. :thumbs: I for one am done with your babble.

That right there seems pretty Holier than Thou.

Let me point out the parts that make this HtT
-I have "no clue" on the subject I am "attempting" to discuss, but you apparently do, and this makes you more worthy and I should just "STFU"
-I should just go to my "mamma" because you know, I am obviously young and unexperienced in the real world, and your age and experience therefore make you Holier than me
-She needs to slap some sense in my head, which I assume would be the sense you happen to have. HtT.
 
UTKhodgy said:
cigarsarge said:
Seems like you got caught breaking the law and did not like the results.

Considering I have yet to be pulled over for any offense, or been in any trouble with the law...

Seems to me you just focus more on the negative attention you get being a LEO than the positive, and you do not "like the results".

cigarsarge said:
When ignorant pukes slander us it just makes our job harder.

Soooo sorry. Let me use the same exact stereotypes in the same exact sentence you just did to show how pointless this is.

When ignorant geezers abandon carts or decide to play nine holes at 8PM it just makes my job harder.

I'm sure hearing a few harsh words from a young adult doesn't hold a candle, in regards to making your job more difficult, to some situations you have to face on the street.

cigarsarge said:
You have no clue on the subject you are attempting to speak on. Who don't you just go back to mamma. Maybe she can slap some sense into your head. :thumbs:  I for one am done with your babble.

That right there seems pretty Holier than Thou.

Let me point out the parts that make this HtT
-I have "no clue" on the subject I am "attempting" to discuss, but you apparently do, and this makes you more worthy and I should just "STFU"
-I should just go to my "mamma" because you know, I am obviously young and unexperienced in the real world, and your age and experience therefore make you Holier than me
-She needs to slap some sense in my head, which I assume would be the sense you happen to have. HtT.
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Every time you open your mouth ignorance jumps out. Go stress out on washing a golf cart.


ROTFLMAO
 
Here we go... Lots of Testosterone, little brains.... And he's still wet behind the ears.

Grow up UTKhodgy and come back to talk to me when you have a few more years under your belt. You are at that age where you know everything, and us "dinosaurs" know nothing....

Good luck, bro - you're gonna need it...
 
I will, but only if you continue to flip your switch on an internet message board. Once again, so sorry I ruffled your feathers.

By the way, I am glad to see you, as the most excellent and outstanding LEO, get a kick out of belittling someone who did not once belittle you personally.

EDIT: Once again directed 2 posts up, ^^
 
UTKhodgy said:
I will, but only if you continue to flip your switch on an internet message board. Once again, so sorry I ruffled your feathers.

By the way, I am glad to see you, as the most excellent and outstanding LEO, get a kick out of belittling someone who did not once belittle you personally.
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You talking to me???

...and this is interesting - this boy's down by you, Sarge... What you putting in the water down there... :laugh:
 
UTKhodgy said:
I will, but only if you continue to flip your switch on an internet message board. Once again, so sorry I ruffled your feathers.

By the way, I am glad to see you, as the most excellent and outstanding LEO, get a kick out of belittling someone who did not once belittle you personally.
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You still don't get it. When you slam my brother needlessly you also slam me. It is personal. When you belitle my brother needlessly you also belittle me. It is personal. How can someone with so little life experence as you critize anything? Get the picture now.

Obvioulsy you have never been a part of anything worth while to the community. Until you grow up and contribute to that community you will never get it. I suggest you ride along with a LEO and see first hand what goes on.

My feathers aren't ruffled yet. You will know when they are.
 
cigarsarge said:
Obvioulsy you have never been a part of anything worth while to the community. Until you grow up and contribute to that community you will never get it.
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I'd love to hear what it takes to contribute to the community IYHO.

Maybe I should go find a job that requires a little more responsibility and a greater risk factor. Or I could increase the amount of volunteer work I already do. Maybe I could vote in the city council elections, or write letters to my senator. I guess working, paying taxes and bills and trying to get a higher education isn't enough for 18 years of age.

Must be scary to you two that the under the constitution I can get a say in who our president can be.
 
Joined 13-July-2005. In his bio he has "..pm for my addy...always up for a bomb to fill in my wish list..." or something like that.

And within 8 days, he's attackin' established members of this board.

This is the typical attitude of some of the "kids" in society today. Lack of respect for anything except themselves. Any type of authority is bad. Anyone telling them what to do, which is contrary to what they want to do, is bad. Cops are bad.('cause they made us end our frat party at 4am! where there was underage drinkin' and dope smokin'! Wasn't our fault!!!)

Hodgy, you truly have no clue here. Your arguments are poor and you have been exposed for the kid you are. There was another post similar to this a few weeks ago. Had you of read it....oh that's right, you just joined and probably haven't read any of the other posts.

I accept your 18 years experience for what it is. Go away now!

Floyd T. :sign:
 
SKYDIVNEKD said:
Joined 13-July-2005. In his bio he has "..pm for my addy...always up for a bomb to fill in my wish list..." or something like that.

And within 8 days, he's attackin' established members of this board.

This is the typical attitude of some of the "kids" in society today. Lack of respect for anything except themselves. Any type of authority is bad. Anyone telling them what to do, which is contrary to what they want to do, is bad. Cops are bad.('cause they made us end our frat party at 4am! where there was underage drinkin' and dope smokin'! Wasn't our fault!!!)

Hodgy, you truly have no clue here. Your arguments are poor and you have been exposed for the kid you are. There was another post similar to this a few weeks ago. Had you of read it....oh that's right, you just joined and probably haven't read any of the other posts.

I accept your 18 years experience for what it is. Go away now!

Floyd T. :sign:
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BINGO..... ;)
 
UTKhodgy said:
cigarsarge said:
Obvioulsy you have never been a part of anything worth while to the community. Until you grow up and contribute to that community you will never get it.
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I'd love to hear what it takes to contribute to the community IYHO.

Maybe I should go find a job that requires a little more responsibility and a greater risk factor. Or I could increase the amount of volunteer work I already do. Maybe I could vote in the city council elections, or write letters to my senator. I guess working, paying taxes and bills and trying to get a higher education isn't enough for 18 years of age.

Must be scary to you two that the under the constitution I can get a say in who our president can be.
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You know what it takes to contribute to a community? Instead of shooting your mouth off with the 18 years worth of knowledge you've "amassed", STFU and learn what it takes to be a contributing member of the community. Working, paying taxes and bills and trying to get a higher education is a GOOD START - but you're a LONG way from being there. If you don't understand that, then you are not contributing to society. All you are is a squeaky wheel.

Hodgy, it ruffles YOUR feathers that the cops would DARE to talk to you this way. They are, after all PUBLIC SERVANTS and you pay our salary. We should, therefore, STFU and listen to YOU, because YOU are the most important one...

Pull your chest back in - you look like a girl standing there like that....
 
ggiese said:
Phil,

I Don't know all the circumstances of the situations you mention - but I can tell you that while the law allows a PO to drive WITHOUT LIGHTS AND/OR SIREN to a call  (and there there a bunch of choices here:

1) no lights with a siren,
2) lights with a siren,
3) lights wihout siren or
4) no lights or siren

the officer is STILL responsible for arriving at his destination safely.  You may not agree with his methods, but YOU are not in a position to understand the problem.  You don't like the "inconvenience" of having to stop for an officer going through an intersection against traffic (nearly causing a crash), but the officer has to get there under a variety of circumstances, and has reasons for doing what he does (i.e. - not alerting the bad guy he's on the way).  There are so many tactical things PO's do that you could not possibly understand.  You don't like what you see from YOUR perspective, but you don't understand because you've not been in the position to make the same decisions.

What PO's do is not necessarily reported to the press.  As a matter of fact, I'd venture an opinion that probably less than 5% of what we do is reported to the press.  So because you don't see it in the paper or on the evening news doesn't mean that we aren't doing something important at the time that we are responding to a scene.

Imagine for a second you are a police officer.  You receive a call that there is a domestic.  The call is going to be something like this...  "...respond to 123 main street for a domestic in progress.  Husband versus wife.  Unknown weapons involved.  Unit for cover?"  Break it down - you are going to one of the most dangerous situations officers face.  A domestic.  There is HUGE potential for violence, often with children present.  This is the situation were a large number of officers are killed.

Okay - now you think about it from YOUR perspective.  Sure, I have arguments with my wife, what's the big deal?  The officer is overreacting because I've never hit my wife, nor have a thought about killing her (expcept maybe when the credit card bills come in, but that's a different story).  

Ok - so here I am - an officer who's been on the street less than 5 years.  I get the same exact call - except there was no cover for me.  I "tactically" (including driving without headlights for a while) responded to the scene (no doubt, pissing off a few people) and parked several doors down.  I could hear the guy yelling at his wife as I walked closer to the house.  Then I hear him say, "If the f***ing cops come to this house, I'll blow him away!".  I peek into the window and the guy has an old west style holster strapped to his waist, carrying a .45 revolver.  Do you want to walk into the situation???

Or how about the domestic where after arriving "tactically" I approach the house and the father is standing in front of the plate glass window, holding his 2 year old son in front of him with a kitchen knife to the childs throat.  How about it?  You want to complain about the driving tactics of the officer going to that scene?

Then there was the family fight with the son who was on drugs, barricaded himself in his room, and threatened to kill any officer who came in.  And you HAVE to go in...  Make sure you use your lights and sirens all the way up until you pull into the driveway....

Or you stop someone who's drunk and he starts to physically fight you, grabbing for your holstered gun.  Wait that 30 seconds or so it takes for back up to get there - it seems like an absolute eternity.  Sorry an officer passed you at a high rate of speed on the way to the call...

How about the guy who slides sideways into the back of another car (drivers side facing the traffic) and he steps out to check the damage as he is struck by another car that slid into him, destroying everything below the waist.  And you are the officer at that scene - you see how serious the situation is - and are calling for help...  Take your time, guys - don't want to piss off the public...

And I'm ASTONISHED when I deal with a fatal traffic crash.  I have the road shut down so that I can conduct the investigation (after all, if I let cars through they're going to drive over all the evidence), but you go some MORON who's very upset and arguing with the PO who's blocking traffic because he HAS to go the way that's shut down.  Or I shut down one lane of traffic to conduct the investigation and have motorists driving by swearing and screaming at us because we screwed up traffic... What if it was your relative that was killed, but no information was collected at the scene because the public was upset the road was shut down.  Comes time for court and the case is dismissed because of lack of evidence.  How would you feel??

Sorry about the rant, but it just sickens me to see the kinds of posts I see in this thread.  "I respect LEO's, but...."  "I know it's done all the time because I once saw a ticket get ripped up..."  "I know the vast majority are great guys, but..."

I've said it before, I'll say it again...  Until you walk in the shoes - STFU....
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George,

Thanks for the great examples.

PSTAN said:
cigarsarge said:
Cops don't cite on privite property.
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.......granted one does not know the entire situation. .....here are some personal examples.

Example #1 - Wide hilly residential road, golf course area, speed limit = 35, 4 PO @ high rate of speed with lights only. You should have seen the people trying to get out of the way. Called to ask Supervisor on duty about it and there was a "hostage, break-in situation". Never seen or read anything about this in the Newspaper or TV, not to say everything is made known to the Public.
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I called and questioned the Supervisor on Duty about this ONLY because of the road "Wide hilly residential road, golf course area". No one knew that the LEO were coming and it was a real scramble trying to dodge the people crossing the road and get clear so that the LEO could get through w/out stopping. I'll agree with your knowledge that not alerting someone that you are coming is important.

I do have some friends that are in Law Enforcement and road with them occasionally while in college, before I was married. I admire the patience that you must have and am thankful that there are individuals willing to do this for the rest of us.

ggiese said:
Sorry about the rant, but it just sickens me to see the kinds of posts I see in this thread.  "I respect LEO's, but...."
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No reason to be sorry for the "rant" IMHO. It is always an eye opener to hear someone else's viewpoints from and experience perspective.

PSTAN said:
cigarsarge said:
Cops don't cite on privite property.
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I respect all PO, except for one.
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In all honesty, yes I should respect this particular LEO equally as I do all other LEO. I respect the postion that he is in and will treat EVERY LEO with respect. This particular LEO when I see him in public, not on duty, my form of politness is just a nod of hello, becaue we remember each other (talk to his wife every other week at the bank, and walk on by.

Thanks Tommy, Ken and George for the input.

Phillip

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PSTAN said:
Example #2 - Going through intersections where people have to stop with only their lights on, No sirens, i.e. 4 way stops and Red Lights.  I have seen several near accidents due to a PO not having his siren on while trying to get through an intersection in a hurry.  I Damn near lost a front end because of this because they startled one person so bad when the PO flipped on his siren.  I think they must have had a guilty conscience about something. :whistling:

Example #2 Clarification: It was not the LEO that nearly took out my front end but another vehicle. "They..with guilt conscience" NOT being the LEO.
 
UTKhodgy said:
Must be scary to you two that the under the constitution I can get a say in who our president can be.

I don't know about them, but it scares the sh!t outta me. :0
 
<peacemaker>

ggiese, cigarsarge, Bkcloud, do you agree that, in the recent history of all LE in the USA, there have been some officers that have acted inappropriately? That yes, it's likely they speed through intersections for a good reason, but there have been instances that there was not a good reason?

UTK: shut up.

</peacemaker>
 
Lumberg said:
ggiese, cigarsarge, Bkcloud, do you agree that, in the recent history of all LE in the USA, there have been some officers that have acted inappropriately? That yes, it's likely they speed through intersections for a good reason, but there have been instances that there was not a good reason?
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Ok, Lum... I'll bite... There's of course a right answer to this question - what is the purpose of your post. Please carry on with the thought.
 
ggiese said:
Lumberg said:
ggiese, cigarsarge, Bkcloud, do you agree that, in the recent history of all LE in the USA, there have been some officers that have acted inappropriately?  That yes, it's likely they speed through intersections for a good reason, but there have been instances that there was not a good reason?
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Ok, Lum... I'll bite... There's of course a right answer to this question - what is the purpose of your post. Please carry on with the thought.
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I think the point here is that LEOs are not infallible. Yes, 9 times out of 10 (99/100? 6/7?) there's a good reason for what they do.
 
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