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Nathan Rahl said:
Sure cops break the law. They can just get away with it alot easier than we can.
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That is a stupid statement...... and I don't care how many friends you have that are cops or how much respect you think you have for what we do. You can't have that much respect by posting a statement like that. Police Officers are held to higher standards than the average civilian to begin with....


UTKhodgy said:
There are always those few who abuse which bring down a bad rap on the majority. I for one have been witness to several questionable acts by Memphis police officers that involved flying down the median/turn lanes just to get away from traffic. Or tailgating cars when they are going the exact speed limit in an attempt to get them to speed up (this happens to me all the time to and from work), or even turning on their lights at a red light and running through it then turning their lights off, pulling U-turns in the middle of the road are all examples of how I see cops pulling traffic violations on a daily basis.

My respect for police officers has not changed though, as I know it is just a select few that abuse their power.

PS, don't park where you aren't supposed to in Knoxville and have an opposing school's sticker on your car! It will get towed! Cops in Knoxville bleed Orange and it is great.
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UTK....... can you honestly tell me that you know for a fact that the cop who was commiting that "traffic violation" was doing it just so he did not have to sit in traffic. Do you carry a police radio with you ?? Did you ask him why he did that?? Many times I have put my lights on to go thru an intersection and then turned them off, it depends on the type of "call" he is on. Not all 911 calls require "lights & siren" but you are required to get their in a timely fashion.




"Do not judge me till you have walked in my shoes"
 
cigarsarge said:
Cops don't cite on privite property.
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Not to say it does or doesn't happen. For instance, at the local Walmart a girl got a ticket for "inattentive driving" because she hit a light pole while cutting across the parking lot. Stupid driver none the less. Our local papers post the accident report, arrests and fire calls. Small community, population of 22,500+, always looking for my wifes distant relatives :laugh:



BkCloud114 said:
Nathan Rahl said:
Sure cops break the law. They can just get away with it alot easier than we can.
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That is a stupid statement...... and I don't care how many friends you have that are cops or how much respect you think you have for what we do. You can't have that much respect by posting a statement like that. Police Officers are held to higher standards than the average civilian to begin with....


UTKhodgy said:
There are always those few who abuse which bring down a bad rap on the majority.  I for one have been witness to several questionable acts by Memphis police officers that involved flying down the median/turn lanes just to get away from traffic.  Or tailgating cars when they are going the exact speed limit in an attempt to get them to speed up (this happens to me all the time to and from work), or even turning on their lights at a red light and running through it then turning their lights off, pulling U-turns in the middle of the road are all examples of how I see cops pulling traffic violations on a daily basis.

My respect for police officers has not changed though, as I know it is just a select few that abuse their power.

PS, don't park where you aren't supposed to in Knoxville and have an opposing school's sticker on your car!  It will get towed!  Cops in Knoxville bleed Orange and it is great.
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UTK....... can you honestly tell me that you know for a fact that the cop who was commiting that "traffic violation" was doing it just so he did not have to sit in traffic. Do you carry a police radio with you ?? Did you ask him why he did that?? Many times I have put my lights on to go thru an intersection and then turned them off, it depends on the type of "call" he is on. Not all 911 calls require "lights & siren" but you are required to get their in a timely fashion.




"Do not judge me till you have walked in my shoes"
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The lights and siren issue is a real sore subject for me, granted one does not know the entire situation. I'll agree with Tommy. When you need help, like everyone else, you want is as soon as possible but here are some personal examples.

Example #1 - Wide hilly residential road, golf course area, speed limit = 35, 4 PO @ high rate of speed with lights only. You should have seen the people trying to get out of the way. Called to ask Supervisor on duty about it and there was a "hostage, break-in situation". Never seen or read anything about this in the Newspaper or TV, not to say everything is made known to the Public.

Example #2 - Going through intersections where people have to stop with only their lights on, No sirens, i.e. 4 way stops and Red Lights. I have seen several near accidents due to a PO not having his siren on while trying to get through an intersection in a hurry. I Damn near lost a front end because of this because they startled one person so bad when the PO flipped on his siren. I think they must have had a guilty conscience about something. :whistling:

Edit #2 - Is there any "rules" about turning on the sirens when approaching an intersection? If there is a "rule" could it vary per town, county or state" - End Edit #2

Example #3 - An indiviual doing a "rolling Stop" getting pulled over but seeing the PO do the same thing one intersection earlier from the opposite direction.


I respect all PO, except for one. Just mention his name to anyone in town and they will have something to say. Debated a ticket with him when I was younger, luckily I still had the "test manual" in the pickup and showed it to him. If you can't stop at the Yello light that doesn't mean slam on your breaks to slide to a stop in the middle. ;)

edited #1 - for spelling corrections only, probably still missed some though.
 
cigarsarge said:
I as a Law Enforcment Officer am no more immune to prosectution than you.
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I think you'd agree that there are some policemen who either don't realize or don't believe that. I would like to think that those don't last long as policemen.

The majority of people speed, do rolling stops at stop signs, tailgate, etc at some time or another. When someone does that at the wheel of a police car, it's just more noticeable. Police are people, too.
 
cigarsarge said:
Just so you know I along with many others are Law Enforcement Officers post here. I upon occasion have ticketed fellow officers. I have let fellow officers go as well as citizens. It depends on the severity of what has happened. I have arrested Law Enforcment Officers as well.

I as a Law Enforcment Officer am no more immune to prosectution than you. Making ignorant rash statments such as the one you have just made only shows your true colors.

Maybe you should think before you post.
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My brother is a captain in the county sheriffs dept. and the statement the man made is absolutely correct, I have seen officers get away with DUI and many many other more minor offenses. There are many fine upstanding police officers out there who do the right thing but there are many not so upstanding officers who think just because they wear a badge they can get away with many minor offenses.Just to qualify my knowledge I was a ridealong for many years with many officers in the sheriffs office and the city police in my city and I know what you guys have to put up with and I have much respect for the LEO as a whole but I also know what the public has to put up with with certain officers, humans will be human.
 
One of my fellow golf team member 2 years ago got pulled over for going 90 something in a 70 on I-40. The cop was apparently being a smart ass to the guy who was only 17 and giving the usual "stupid youth today" speech. The guy driving took his ticket, but didn't like the way it was handled by the cop, so he told the cop he was going to make a mention of his name and the situation to his uncle who happened to be a sheriff in Shelby County. The cop took his ticket, ripped it up, and told him to mind the speed limit from now on...an example of how "knowing" a cop can help get you out of these cases.

Not saying it happens all the time, but every now and then you can catch cops with their pants down.
 
Phil.......

Not using a siren when going thru the intersection depends on the typ of call the cop is going on and how close he is....... Ex: If he is headed to a Bank Robbery where a silent alarm was tripped, should he use the siren if he is around the block.....

Headed to a car accident where people are injured..... siren on.

There is no set standard in my Dept when you should use your lights and sirens..... comes with experience and advice from the veterans.
 
police officers make mistakes like the rest of us, but i sure appreciate it when they show up when i need one. i don't think anyone here is badly about all police, per say, as much as letting off steam about one instance. no need to get excited, we are all botl's. my $0.02 :)
 
Matty_Vegas said:
an undercover cop backed into me in my car at a 7-11 today...
did not site the cop
go figure
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Hey, Matt.. He'd doesn't have to be cited. Believe me when I tell you this, I'd much rather pay the fine for a citation, then face the Spanish Inquisition (the departmental internal investigation) for backing into someone. He'll definitely take some heat over that, I guarantee it...

...and for those who have the burning desire to jump on the "the cop won't cite another cop" bandwagon, I'd suggest before you shoot your mouth off, become a cop to find out what the advantages are. Not much, I'm afraid...
 
Trying..............to................stay.................away................from.........................this......................thread! :whistling:

Must...........................hold.......................on..................! ???

Floyd T. :sign:
 
UTKhodgy said:
There are always those few who abuse which bring down a bad rap on the majority. I for one have been witness to several questionable acts by Memphis police officers that involved flying down the median/turn lanes just to get away from traffic. Or tailgating cars when they are going the exact speed limit in an attempt to get them to speed up (this happens to me all the time to and from work), or even turning on their lights at a red light and running through it then turning their lights off, pulling U-turns in the middle of the road are all examples of how I see cops pulling traffic violations on a daily basis.

My respect for police officers has not changed though, as I know it is just a select few that abuse their power.

PS, don't park where you aren't supposed to in Knoxville and have an opposing school's sticker on your car! It will get towed! Cops in Knoxville bleed Orange and it is great.
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I hear this talk from time to time, and it TRULY pisses me off...

You have NO idea what those officers were doing. You clearly have put your value and belief system on the officers actions, and have formulated an opinion based upon what you believe to be right and wrong. But you were not those cops that were doing the things that they did (making U-turns, driving down medians, tailgaiting cars, etc.) It is entirely possible they were doing their jobs, didn't want to alert anyone of their presence by lighting up their lights or firing up their siren, so you assume it was because they wanted to purposefully break the rules. Hate to tell you this, bro... Most jurisdictions have exceptions to the law which allows officers to do that... That would mean they weren't breaking the law, even though you believe so.

From time to time, I've had citizens call the station all pissed off because THEY thought I did something wrong. I was in the middle of something (police oriented) and they didn't like that I passed them, or that I was speeding, or that they felt I shouldn't have merged in front of them. How ignorant could they be??? I am on an 8 hour shift - I've got nowhere to be (I usually am driving around - that's what patrol is) - so if I speed up, or I pass cars, or I merge in front of you - there's most likely a damn good reason for it.

What I believe from my 26+ years of dealing with people who have a problem with my "abusing" my power is that they are having a problem with someone having more power than them. Again, as I said in my last post - if you want to find out what it's like - apply for the job. Until you are in my position, you have no idea how small you really feel with all the "power" you have - especially when someone levels false accusations, or complains about something they don't understand or know about.

If you've never been the subject of an internal investigation, you don't know what that's like. There is nothing in the private sector that is remotely like having someone call your boss and complain that they don't like something about what you did. Whether it's right, wrong or a draw, it's pure hell for the officer on the receiving end. You'd never know that - because you've never been on the receiving end. But because I have to power to take away your life and/or freedom, my department takes all of that VERY seriously.

I think CigarSarge put if VERY well in a post he made at another board:

As a Law Enforcement Officer I am often misunderstood, abused, and called names. Only another brother in blue would understand what we face from day to day. It is a position many of you would not wish to undertake.

Police Officers are family. We stick together no matter what. We socialize together, eat together, laugh together, and fight and bleed together. When one is insulted we all are insulted.

You want to get out of traffic tickets? You want to by able to drive around irrespective of traffic laws? Become a cop... And until you're a cop, STFU because you don't know what you're talking about!!!
 
The cop in question has to go in front of some board and faces suspension. I called her boss today to tell them that I was nor going to fill out an insurance claim. I asked if I had to speak in front of the board...and he said it was not necessary. If her superiors felt she did anything wrong..they will handle it..and that is good enough for me.
 
Phil,

I Don't know all the circumstances of the situations you mention - but I can tell you that while the law allows a PO to drive WITHOUT LIGHTS AND/OR SIREN to a call (and there there a bunch of choices here:

1) no lights with a siren,
2) lights with a siren,
3) lights wihout siren or
4) no lights or siren

the officer is STILL responsible for arriving at his destination safely. You may not agree with his methods, but YOU are not in a position to understand the problem. You don't like the "inconvenience" of having to stop for an officer going through an intersection against traffic (nearly causing a crash), but the officer has to get there under a variety of circumstances, and has reasons for doing what he does (i.e. - not alerting the bad guy he's on the way). There are so many tactical things PO's do that you could not possibly understand. You don't like what you see from YOUR perspective, but you don't understand because you've not been in the position to make the same decisions.

What PO's do is not necessarily reported to the press. As a matter of fact, I'd venture an opinion that probably less than 5% of what we do is reported to the press. So because you don't see it in the paper or on the evening news doesn't mean that we aren't doing something important at the time that we are responding to a scene.

Imagine for a second you are a police officer. You receive a call that there is a domestic. The call is going to be something like this... "...respond to 123 main street for a domestic in progress. Husband versus wife. Unknown weapons involved. Unit for cover?" Break it down - you are going to one of the most dangerous situations officers face. A domestic. There is HUGE potential for violence, often with children present. This is the situation were a large number of officers are killed.

Okay - now you think about it from YOUR perspective. Sure, I have arguments with my wife, what's the big deal? The officer is overreacting because I've never hit my wife, nor have a thought about killing her (expcept maybe when the credit card bills come in, but that's a different story).

Ok - so here I am - an officer who's been on the street less than 5 years. I get the same exact call - except there was no cover for me. I "tactically" (including driving without headlights for a while) responded to the scene (no doubt, pissing off a few people) and parked several doors down. I could hear the guy yelling at his wife as I walked closer to the house. Then I hear him say, "If the f***ing cops come to this house, I'll blow him away!". I peek into the window and the guy has an old west style holster strapped to his waist, carrying a .45 revolver. Do you want to walk into the situation???

Or how about the domestic where after arriving "tactically" I approach the house and the father is standing in front of the plate glass window, holding his 2 year old son in front of him with a kitchen knife to the childs throat. How about it? You want to complain about the driving tactics of the officer going to that scene?

Then there was the family fight with the son who was on drugs, barricaded himself in his room, and threatened to kill any officer who came in. And you HAVE to go in... Make sure you use your lights and sirens all the way up until you pull into the driveway....

Or you stop someone who's drunk and he starts to physically fight you, grabbing for your holstered gun. Wait that 30 seconds or so it takes for back up to get there - it seems like an absolute eternity. Sorry an officer passed you at a high rate of speed on the way to the call...

How about the guy who slides sideways into the back of another car (drivers side facing the traffic) and he steps out to check the damage as he is struck by another car that slid into him, destroying everything below the waist. And you are the officer at that scene - you see how serious the situation is - and are calling for help... Take your time, guys - don't want to piss off the public...

And I'm ASTONISHED when I deal with a fatal traffic crash. I have the road shut down so that I can conduct the investigation (after all, if I let cars through they're going to drive over all the evidence), but you go some MORON who's very upset and arguing with the PO who's blocking traffic because he HAS to go the way that's shut down. Or I shut down one lane of traffic to conduct the investigation and have motorists driving by swearing and screaming at us because we screwed up traffic... What if it was your relative that was killed, but no information was collected at the scene because the public was upset the road was shut down. Comes time for court and the case is dismissed because of lack of evidence. How would you feel??

Sorry about the rant, but it just sickens me to see the kinds of posts I see in this thread. "I respect LEO's, but...." "I know it's done all the time because I once saw a ticket get ripped up..." "I know the vast majority are great guys, but..."

I've said it before, I'll say it again... Until you walk in the shoes - STFU....
 
The eyes of ten thousand greatful citizens slowly turn and look at ggiese as they rise in thunderous applause.
 
ggiese said:
Phil,

I Don't know all the circumstances of the situations you mention - but I can tell you that while the law allows a PO to drive WITHOUT LIGHTS AND/OR SIREN to a call (and there there a bunch of choices here:

1) no lights with a siren,
2) lights with a siren,
3) lights wihout siren or
4) no lights or siren

the officer is STILL responsible for arriving at his destination safely. You may not agree with his methods, but YOU are not in a position to understand the problem. You don't like the "inconvenience" of having to stop for an officer going through an intersection against traffic (nearly causing a crash), but the officer has to get there under a variety of circumstances, and has reasons for doing what he does (i.e. - not alerting the bad guy he's on the way). There are so many tactical things PO's do that you could not possibly understand. You don't like what you see from YOUR perspective, but you don't understand because you've not been in the position to make the same decisions.

Everything PO's do is reported to the press. As a matter of fact, I'd venture an opinion that probably less than 5% of what we do is reported to the press. So because you don't see it in the paper or on the evening news doesn't mean that we aren't doing something important at the time that we are responding to a scene.

Imagine for a second you are a police officer. You receive a call that there is a domestic. The call is going to be something like this... "...respond to 123 main street for a domestic in progress. Husband versus wife. Unknown weapons involved. Unit for cover?" Break it down - you are going to one of the most dangerous situations officers face. A domestic. There is HUGE potential for violence, often with children present. This is the situation were a large number of officers are killed.

Okay - now you think about it from YOUR perspective. Sure, I have arguments with my wife, what's the big deal? The officer is overreacting because I've never hit my wife, nor have a thought about killing her (expcept maybe when the credit card bills come in, but that's a different story).

Ok - so here I am - an officer who's been on the street less than 5 years. I get the same exact call - except there was no cover for me. I "tactically" (including driving without headlights for a while) responded to the scene (no doubt, pissing off a few people) and parked several doors down. I could hear the guy yelling at his wife as I walked closer to the house. Then I hear him say, "If the f***ing cops come to this house, I'll blow him away!". I peek into the window and the guy has an old west style holster strapped to his waist, carrying a .45 revolver. Do you want to walk into the situation???

Or how about the domestic where after arriving "tactically" I approach the house and the father is standing in front of the plate glass window, holding his 2 year old son in front of him with a kitchen knife to the childs throat. How about it? You want to complain about the driving tactics of the officer going to that scene?

Then there was the family fight with the son who was on drugs, barricaded himself in his room, and threatened to kill any officer who came in. And you HAVE to go in... Make sure you use your lights and sirens all the way up until you pull into the driveway....

Or you stop someone who's drunk and he starts to physically fight you, grabbing for your holstered gun. Wait that 30 seconds or so it takes for back up to get there - it seems like an absolute eternity. Sorry an officer passed you at a high rate of speed on the way to the call...

How about the guy who slides sideways into the back of another car (drivers side facing the traffic) and he steps out to check the damage as he is struck by another car that slid into him, destroying everything below the waist. And you are the officer at that scene - you see how serious the situation is - and are calling for help... Take your time, guys - don't want to piss off the public...

And I'm ASTONISHED when I deal with a fatal traffic crash. I have the road shut down so that I can conduct the investigation (after all, if I let cars through they're going to drive over all the evidence), but you go some MORON who's very upset and arguing with the PO who's blocking traffic because he HAS to go the way that's shut down. Or I shut down one lane of traffic to conduct the investigation and have motorists driving by swearing and screaming at us because we screwed up traffic... What if it was your relative that was killed, but no information was collected at the scene because the public was upset the road was shut down. Comes time for court and the case is dismissed because of lack of evidence. How would you feel??

Sorry about the rant, but it just sickens me to see the kinds of posts I see in this thread. "I respect LEO's, but...." "I know it's done all the time because I once saw a ticket get ripped up..." "I know the vast majority are great guys, but..."

I've said it before, I'll say it again... Until you walk in the shoes - STFU....
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What George said with one addition. You may complain on me for doing something you may not understand. The next day you may call me to pull your drunken neighbor off your butt. Don't think for a minute that I would hesitate to help. I would go right in and do my job, regardless of what I think of you. It's called being a professional. Don't slight my profession just because you can't catch a clue of what it's all about.
 
Lumberg said:
cigarsarge said:
I as a Law Enforcment Officer am no more immune to prosectution than you.
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I think you'd agree that there are some policemen who either don't realize or don't believe that. I would like to think that those don't last long as policemen.
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There are some cops, especially some of the younger ones that the badge goes to their heads. These people usually don't last long. Good cops will not put up with that kind of garbage.

Sorry for the post pad.
 
cigarsarge said:
What George said with one addition. You may complain on me for doing something you may not understand. The next day you may call me to pull your drunken neighbor off your butt. Don't think for a minute that I would hesitate to help. I would go right in and do my job, regardless of what I think of you. It's called being a professional. Don't slight my profession just because you can't catch a clue of what it's all about.
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Amen....
 
I try to say cops aren't perfect and I get torn down.

I try to give some examples and it turns out that I am too "out of the blue" as to what goes on in the cop profession to question why they do things some citizens can't.

With this whole "until you walk a mile in my shoes" cliche, everyone gets tired of hearing that as well. Hell, I could say that every time some member, who happens to have more money than he could ever possibly use, starts to bitch me out for the fact that the Practice Facility is shut down due to rain, or why we can't allow him to go off the back nine instead of the front nine. But hey, I just work a menial summer job in order to pay for college, my 'profession' is in no way 'noble'.

There will always be people who complain, and they may not understand the whole situation, but everyone has to be able to take criticism. I don't take to the offensive and start defending the integrity of my job when a 13 year old snob wants me to clean off his clubs and then refuses to tip.

Sorry?
 
UTKhodgy said:
I try to say cops aren't perfect and I get torn down.

I try to give some examples and it turns out that I am too "out of the blue" as to what goes on in the cop profession to question why they do things some citizens can't.

With this whole "until you walk a mile in my shoes" cliche, everyone gets tired of hearing that as well. Hell, I could say that every time some member, who happens to have more money than he could ever possibly use, starts to bitch me out for the fact that the Practice Facility is shut down due to rain, or why we can't allow him to go off the back nine instead of the front nine. But hey, I just work a menial summer job in order to pay for college, my 'profession' is in no way 'noble'.

There will always be people who complain, and they may not understand the whole situation, but everyone has to be able to take criticism. I don't take to the offensive and start defending the integrity of my job when a 13 year old snob wants me to clean off his clubs and then refuses to tip.

Sorry?
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We do some things ordinary citizens can't to protect your butt. Your flimsy comparison to a your job to mine is completely irevalant. When is the last time you risked your life to do your job. When is the last time you faced a multi-million dollar lawsuit or criminal charges on a false complaint. When is the last time your family has been put through pure hell worrying about your well being on the job.

If you don't like the way we have to do our job I suggest you call someone else when someone has beat your butt or stolen your car. Or maybe you should just handle it yourself.

You sir need to wake up and realize if it was not for the thin blue line your life would not be as cozy as it is.
 
UTKhodgy said:
One of my fellow golf team member 2 years ago got pulled over for going 90 something in a 70 on I-40. The cop was apparently being a smart ass to the guy who was only 17 and giving the usual "stupid youth today" speech. The guy driving took his ticket, but didn't like the way it was handled by the cop, so he told the cop he was going to make a mention of his name and the situation to his uncle who happened to be a sheriff in Shelby County. The cop took his ticket, ripped it up, and told him to mind the speed limit from now on...an example of how "knowing" a cop can help get you out of these cases.

Not saying it happens all the time, but every now and then you can catch cops with their pants down.
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I kinda want to respond to this, but I'm not starting trouble.

When I first moved to Birmingham, in a matter of a month I got three speeding tickets. The police officers who gave them to me didn't know each other.

My uncle (now passed away) was the sheriff of Florence, AL, and was a great man. He was known through most of AL and alot of police officers had alot of respect for him.

Also, my other uncle was kinda of the same way. Plus, there is two judges, 4 more police officers, and alot more working for Georgia, TN, and AL.

None of those three tickets were on my record, and my grandfather was called about all three. The Sheriff of Trussville (at the time) was good friends with my family, and me and his son worked together. I paid my court fees and left happy. I was told by the judge (not related to him lol) that I shouldn't get this type of treatment, but again, he knew most of my family.



I guess what I'm saying is that it happens, but in no way is it right. If I had gotten the tickets on my record, I wouldn't had gotten one for 71 in a 55 and learned a lesson. ;)


AND also, I believe the term "Cops" was started as an offensive term towards police officers, so I try not to use it. :thumbs:
 
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