FOGs and Newbies

[Matt R]

I really didn't assume this would need to be said, but apparently either some people are shorter than I, or the wind is just blowing this over their heads quicker in some places. This is tongue in cheek.......

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Ginseng, see Matts above post.

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Goddamn. :sign:

Well, I'm holding my ankles...who's first?

Wilkey

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As a newbie, you are forgiven.

 

[Zeebra]

 

[tdog]

KY?

Kentucky or jelly? :laugh:

 

[Matt R]

Matt's threads have a way of sliding into KY territory (pun intended)!

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I prefer Astroglide.....

 

[bfreebern]

Sheesh, you guys have no clue.

Try Astroglide.

 

[tone-ny]

Ah okay pardon my newbiness on the aforementioned astro glide! But I thought Matt was from the crisco generation!

On that not I return you to your previous debate on fog vs newbiness!

 

[Rob_k]

Try Astroglide.

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:thumbs:

 

[smokelaw1]

In Ancient greece, it was common for a FOG to love his Noobs in all sorts of ways.

 

[Rob_k]

i want to know who is going to start the "Responsibility of the Newb's / N00bs's" thread.

 

[tdog]

i want to know who is going to start the "Responsibility of the Newb's / N00bs's" thread.

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What about the Boob thread Rob?

 

[cigardawg]

Try Astroglide.

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:thumbs:

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I'll give that a double :thumbs: :thumbs:

 

[Ginseng]

I really didn't assume this would need to be said, but apparently either some people are shorter than I, or the wind is just blowing this over their heads quicker in some places. This is tongue in cheek.......

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Ginseng, see Matts above post.

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Goddamn. :sign:

Well, I'm holding my ankles...who's first?

Wilkey

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As a newbie, you are forgiven.

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No, I insist. I've been a bad boy. A naughty, cheekie boy. How am I going to learn if someone doesn't administer the necessary medicine?














Nah, ok. Back your regularly scheduled boob-seeking program.

Wilkey

 

[Maggs44]

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The FOG of confusion!

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Is that like the Ball of Confusion?

 

[Ginseng]

The FOG of confusion!

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Is that like the Ball of Confusion?

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More like Balls and Contusions.

 

[Swissy]

Sheesh, you guys have no clue.

Try Astroglide.

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Yea, but in this case wouldn't it be ASSproglide?



Sorry.. had to... :laugh:

 

[moki]

What a load of crapola. Join date doesn't make you anything. That's just dumb. There are a few newer posters that are valued higher than many many old guys. fogs my butt.

NA

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A FOG is like pornography... you know it when you see it!

 

[Matt R]

Naw Andrew, it's more like art, pornography that is.

 

[da klugs]

Matt,

I'm missing the point of your post. Honestly. Would you be willing to explain the constructive purpose of what you wrote? Over the last few months, I've read your posts here as well as on other boards and while I admit that most of your writing doesn't make much sense to me, lately, a few posts have given me glimpses into who's behind the avatar. Specifically, some of the things you've said have had me thinking that "he's showing me examples of thoughtfulness, incisiveness, integrity" and dare I say it, even sensitivity.

But this post, unless it is meant solely as comic relief, achieves nothing toward the nobler end that The Master in his thread proposes as the essence of "FOG-like" behavior. It's divisive when it could be uniting. "You guys over here. You guys over there. And anything else doesn't mean squat." It's demeaning when it could be dignifying.

Let me share with you what I think about this whole ridiculous nonsense:

A man is as a man does.

The proposal of senseless, meaningless criteria for the objective definition of essentially what amounts to a portrait of noble character is absurd. Those who crave the label of "FOG" are chasing a goal that is beside the point. To those who have achieved the character to merit being called "FOG," the label is valueless.

In my humble opinion, experience/longevity is but one aspect that is often identified as an essential characteristic of the mythical beast referred to as a "FOG." It is neither necessary nor sufficient. What this does provide, though, is a legitimating function. One is less likely to be considered a detriment to the community of cigar smokers if one has demonstrated the interest and willpower to stay active in the community over an extended period of time.

What is far more fundamental to "FOG-ness", and I welcome all comers to debate this point, is the strength of good character as evidenced in one's words, actions and dealings with his fellow community members. That one demonstrate humor, integrity, guidance, authority, compassion, curisoity and genuine man-to-man regard for those earnestly and genuinely trying to learn and give back is what I look for. Personally, if I don't see these things, I couldn't care less if you've been smoking and collecting Habanas as long as George Burns had smoked El Producto Queens (40 yrs.)

Which brings me to the final points of my post. Deference is not evidence of respect. However, civility usually cultivates a respectful attitude. Further, respect that exists and has currency only within the confines and context of an abstract, virtual community such as a cigar forum is, frankly, of vanishingly little value, ultimately. Allow me to illustrate my point.

It is my hope to meet and smoke with as many of you guys as I can reasonably make happen. And when I meet you face-to-face, and we talk man-to-man, in the flesh, what matters is how I regard you and how I am regarded by you as a living breathing person in the big, real world out there. After all, the life we live out here has no reset button and a "server failure" means a lot more than the inability to post about a cigar I just smoked.

As I read back over my post, it occurred to me that your post might actually have been intended to lighten things up. If this is the case, or even if it isn't, I've said something that I've been wanting to say for a while and perhaps it'll spark a little bit more debate or discussion. In retrospect, perhaps this should have been posted in TM's thread.

Wilkey

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Thank you for the great post.

 

[AVB]

I'm gonna start a line called "Faggot" cigars. You guys will make me rich.

 

[IgwanaRob]

I'm gonna start a line called "Faggot" cigars. You guys will make me rich.

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You should call them Giant Faggots.



Oh, and since faggots are cigarettes, and cigars are like giant sized cigarettes, that name would work well for your cigar line as well... :sign:








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