Elitist Bourgeois pass

[vewyphishy]

But alas, it is I who is scarred for life or longer.

And now... I, too, am scarred.

*shudders*

 

[lbrief]

There's nothing wrong with a little contradiction in life, and the Elitist Bourgeois pass is no exception.

First of all Moki, I like your purse

Second, I was just wondering what the "contradiction" is that you refrenced in your initial post.

 

[moki]

I will add you to my prayer list Toaster, now that I know you have Women in the house. Step easy bro

At the risk of incriminating myself here... the first character of my name in Chinese literally means "woman in house" sigh... was hoping for something like "brave warrior" or "stud muffin"

 

[moki]

There's nothing wrong with a little contradiction in life, and the Elitist Bourgeois pass is no exception. 

Second, I was just wondering what the "contradiction" is that you refrenced in your initial post.

Elitist Bourgeois

 

[moki]

You mean any MORE lipstick don't you Andrea? I understand where this is all coming from now- Only one cross dresser per forum. Since you all have the photographic evidence in front of you now... You guys make the call.

I did it for halloween -- what's your excuse, cigar_girl?

 

[lbrief]

There's nothing wrong with a little contradiction in life, and the Elitist Bourgeois pass is no exception. 

Second, I was just wondering what the "contradiction" is that you refrenced in your initial post.

Elitist Bourgeois

That’s what I thought you might be getting at but I didn’t want to jump to conclusions. To me, a contradiction would be “Elitist Proletariat”. I say that because, in Marxist theory there is very little (if any) difference between an Elitist and a member of the Bourgeois.

 

[moki]

That’s what I thought you might be getting at but I didn’t want to jump to conclusions. To me, a contradiction would be “Elitist Proletariat”. I say that because, in Marxist theory there is very little (if any) difference between an Elitist and a member of the Bourgeois.

I just found the idea of an elitist middle class capitalist amusing.

 

[lbrief]

That’s what I thought you might be getting at but I didn’t want to jump to conclusions. To me, a contradiction would be “Elitist Proletariat”. I say that because, in Marxist theory there is very little (if any) difference between an Elitist and a member of the Bourgeois.

I just found the idea of an elitist middle class capitalist amusing.

Ok, amusing it is. :thumbs:
Just not contradictory. It's not a big deal, I just wanted to let you know because there are some people around here who get all uptight when they see improper use of words, or punctuation (especially possessive apostrophes ). You’ve got to watch your butt all the time or they will take you to task over it. Oh well, if they give you any grief, just remind them, it’s your pass (and a damn fine one at that).

 

[moki]

Ok, amusing it is. :thumbs:
Just not contradictory.

I found it rather contradictory as well -- I don't consider the middle class to be elitist, for innumerable reasons (they are the majority, first of all). Marx can say what he likes, he didn't invent the term bourgeois

A person whose attitudes and behavior are marked by conformity to the standards and conventions of the middle class.

Now had I said Elitist Marxist Bourgeois pass then you'd have a point

 

[lbrief]

Now had I said Elitist Marxist Bourgeois pass then you'd have a point

When determining an author’s intent, one must first analyze the contemporary application of the word(s) used. To say that Marx’s definition of Bourgeois is the accepted form of the word as used in the 20th and 21st Centuries would not be a misrepresentation. Additionally, the word has been adapted to the fashionable slang form “boushy” which is a derogatory reference to those having more than their fair share of wealth (hence elitists).

Further to understanding an author’s intent is the context in which he uses his words. By framing “Bourgeois” with the subheading of “Power to the People” (the catch phrase of virtually every Marxist revolution) one would clearly perceive your intent to use the word in a Marxist context.

While this has been (and continues to be) a thoroughly enjoyable debate, if it is to continue perhaps we should move it to the lobby. It was not my intention to initiate a thread jack. You have a superb pass in the works and I do not want to get it side tracked. Additionally, though it is probably not necessary, I wish to stress that all of my input has been in the interest of scholarly pursuit and gentlemanly discussion (in other words, no offence intended). Thank you for humoring me in my endeavor.

 

[vewyphishy]

Dammit... you see what an education will do to you?

 

[Kryo]

Ive almost forgotten how awsome this pass is... this thread is funny reading!

Oh Administrator... you might want to start a Crossdressing Smokers Forum for these folks!!!!

Moki and Toaster are charter members. :thumbs:

 

[AVB]

We can only prove a cross-dressing Moki and a cross gender poster in Toaster. The question arises, does Toaster think moki is hot when he is Toaster or as Cigar_Girl? Is it when moki is cross-dressing or not? The variations and implications of this are most amusing. :sign: :sign: :sign: :sign:

 

[Tony Bones]

It's getting thick in here folks.

 

[moki]

When determining an author’s intent, one must first analyze the contemporary application of the word(s) used. To say that Marx’s definition of Bourgeois is the accepted form of the word as used in the 20th and 21st Centuries would not be a misrepresentation.

Again, I disagree -- that's your opinion that Marx's interpretation of the word is the accepted form. For instance, Dictionary.com lists it as the 3rd definition:

bour·geois     P   Pronunciation Key  (br-zhwä, brzhwä)
n. pl. bourgeois
1. A person belonging to the middle class.

2. A person whose attitudes and behavior are marked by conformity to the standards and conventions of the middle class.

3. In Marxist theory, a member of the property-owning class; a capitalist.

My OED lists the definitions in similar order. But yes, this is petty and largely an opinion, not a factual issue. I find it a contradiction of "elitist middle class majority"; if you don't, that's fine too.

 

[lbrief]

. . .this is . . . largely an opinion, not a factual issue. I find it a contradiction of "elitist middle class majority"; if you don't, that's fine too.

Agreed, it all comes down to opinion. I concede that since you are the author, it is quite plainly your opinion, alone, which may be attached to the usage of the word.

Thank you for the opportunity to engage in debate on the matter. I genuinely enjoyed the exchange, and you were most gracious to allow the use of your thread for a purpose other than its original objective (that of coordinating your pass).

 

[moki]

Thank you for the opportunity to engage in debate on the matter. I genuinely enjoyed the exchange, and you were most gracious to allow the use of your thread for a purpose other than its original objective (that of coordinating your pass).

But of course. Now let's get back to making fun of Toaster.

 

[moki]

Just waiting to hear from 3 people now... it's very likely that I won't be able to get the pass out the door until next week at the earliest though...

 

[Toaster]

Now let's get back to making fun of Toaster.

:sneaky:

 

[cohibasurfer]

PM sent

Moki what a stellar line up ( both passers and cigars)! However I must decline your generous invitation at this time.

Have fun gentlemen!