psyktek said:
Misc said:
There used to be a time when the point of a pass was to have fun. People took what looked good, put in cigars they liked, made an honest effort to leave the box better off than they got it, and everybody had a good time. I hail from that era.
After a while, I noticed that more and more CPers were stressing over nickels & dimes. My first reaction was "they're just cigars, for crying out loud" and "you didn't see me crying when I sent out a pass with 12 ISOMs that came back with zero, did you?" -- but I figured that the economy was tanking and 9/11 had happened and people were nervous about money and jobs and so... "ok, whatever." Still, I stopped hanging around when people were too stressed out and it stopped being fun.
Couldn't have said it better myself!! :thumbs:
If I send out a pass (I've done a couple) my only expectation is that people have a good time, try some smokes that maybe they haven't had a chance to, and BE FAIR!! :lookup:
If you've been around cigars for a while, you know if your P&T's are OK. If you haven't
(and you've been allowed in the pass for whatever reason) then you can ask if your selections are OK.
Gotta admit, I'm getting tired of the sniping by folks who are just following the pass and aren't participants, or who are and seem to be worried that the box will get to them with all the "good stuff" gone.
If you see something outrageous, maybe you can call it out, but I'm guessing that most folks who start passes are experienced enough to do their own policing.
This might be long winded ... so bear with me here.
First off I'll address this first part to your gracious host.
CC I'm a little bit taken by your "lack of public acknowledgement regarding the interventions". You have the responsibility to get the backs of the people you have requested help from, in keeping your pass fair. You also have the responsibility to make sure that one player doesn't get away with what a prior participant couldn't ( or didn't). It's certainly your pass, and you can do whatever you see fit. But, when you teeter todder with acceptable passing edicate between players, you set the whole thing up for controversy. This controversy then can, and usually does, escalate to flames and hard feelings between board members. When you encouraged me to step in on a couple of the plays being made, I did just what you asked. I even made a few packages up and sent them to some of your passers so they could have the stick they took, then put back in miscalculation. This was done in benevolence of CP not for you. But you never really accentuated your position. This in turn resulted in yet another scenario, which again probably cause a few ruffled feathers. Now we have another event. You owe it to yourself and the rest of the players (and CP members) to come out and explain your position.
This is my position .. but it was stated in this context by another member I will not identify at this time.
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"It sets a poor precedent".
"First, considering the shady (*shady may not be the right terminology) P&Ts that have already occurred repeatedly in this pass that needed intervention, I think it sends a mixed signal to everyone involved"!
"Second, passes have the highest "viewed" number at CP and I think its crucial to maintain equality and fairness with these trades on the public forum. It effects how future trades will be dealt against. Hell if you want to do an uneven trade, do it privately".
*= added by me
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Now as for MISC.
Of course I believe passes should be fun. And I'm sure you didn't do your P&T's to get over on anyone. But in the same context, it looks as if you wanted to creat some sort of controversy. And you did. Since CC ok'd your position, I really haven't a leg to stand on but my own opinion, which by your response to GP, won't be accepted as anything anyways. So I'll save it.
Now for Psyktek.
Again... some of us were asked to post our feelings and did. I get tired of hearing " people not involved in the pass should not post". This is a Bulletin board for crying out loud.
To everyone,
I wish everyone was knowlegeable from day one. But unfortunately, people have to learn. Whether it be passers or pass hosts And if things that happen are not explained. No one learns. This will not create a schism. But a few do drop out because their intent is factualized. The rest learn and remain our BoTL.
I do however see why alot of my old passing buds have long since quit and remain silent.
when i do the final post i'll make sure and simplify it for you
) and, while there might be a good one or two in there, they're probably mostly serious rockets. The entire 1st crop (2003) is going as gifts to the people who contributed to my learning experience with their amazing support (thanks, ASC!)
