Drew Estates

[CyGar]

..., the oily sheen along with the strength flavors and body, which come later, tell me that this cigar has "legs" and possesses the potential to age well. Only time will answer that question for sure though.

What do these things have to do with aging potenial? How do they relate to aging?

I guess you're right. Usually when we get older our legs don't work as well. Yes, the responses have gotten a little out of hand but, I'm a leg man.

 

[CyGar]

OK, I'm going to look stupid here I'm sure but, I sat down yesterday to have a smoke and was looking at my cutter. Look at the pic below... OMG I have this and never smoked one, yet that is.



http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae3/cygar/Cigars/IMG00008-20100504-1704.jpg

 

[CyGar]

..., the oily sheen along with the strength flavors and body, which come later, tell me that this cigar has "legs" and possesses the potential to age well. Only time will answer that question for sure though.

What do these things have to do with aging potenial? How do they relate to aging?

Here's a little blurb I found that may help. Basically it says dark oily wrappers age better.

Cigar Aging - The wrapper leaf is believed to have the greatest effect on how a cigar will age. Studies using the same tobacco blends with different shades of wrappers indicate that dark, oily wrappers age better than lighter colored wrappers. However, like wine, age will make a quality cigar better, but a bad wine or cigar cannot be saved by aging.

 

[BrooksW]

The Dirty Rat is a great smoke, as well as the Flying Pig and the No. 9....I could never get into the T-52 (not a bad stick, just not my flavor profile, apparently)...

~brooks

 

[grateful1]

..., the oily sheen along with the strength flavors and body, which come later, tell me that this cigar has "legs" and possesses the potential to age well. Only time will answer that question for sure though.

What do these things have to do with aging potenial? How do they relate to aging?

Here's a little blurb I found that may help. Basically it says dark oily wrappers age better.

Cigar Aging - The wrapper leaf is believed to have the greatest effect on how a cigar will age. Studies using the same tobacco blends with different shades of wrappers indicate that dark, oily wrappers age better than lighter colored wrappers. However, like wine, age will make a quality cigar better, but a bad wine or cigar cannot be saved by aging.

From where? Please provide a linky!

 

[CyGar]

The Dirty Rat is a great smoke, as well as the Flying Pig and the No. 9....I could never get into the T-52 (not a bad stick, just not my flavor profile, apparently)...

~brooks

Cool, so far you're the only one to suggest these. Thanks I'll also try these.

 

[uptown_isy]

The Dirty Rat is a great smoke, as well as the Flying Pig and the No. 9....I could never get into the T-52 (not a bad stick, just not my flavor profile, apparently)...

~brooks

Cool, so far you're the only one to suggest these. Thanks I'll also try these.

The only problem is that both are hard to find. The Flying Pig might be easier, if any retailers still have them on the shelf. But the Dirty Rats could only be obtained by DE handing you one at events....and not ALL events, either.

 

[CyGar]

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Here's a little blurb I found that may help. Basically it says dark oily wrappers age better.

Cigar Aging - The wrapper leaf is believed to have the greatest effect on how a cigar will age. Studies using the same tobacco blends with different shades of wrappers indicate that dark, oily wrappers age better than lighter colored wrappers. However, like wine, age will make a quality cigar better, but a bad wine or cigar cannot be saved by aging.
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From where? Please provide a linky!
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Linky For Ya

 

[uptown_isy]

Here's a little blurb I found that may help. Basically it says dark oily wrappers age better.

Cigar Aging - The wrapper leaf is believed to have the greatest effect on how a cigar will age. Studies using the same tobacco blends with different shades of wrappers indicate that dark, oily wrappers age better than lighter colored wrappers. However, like wine, age will make a quality cigar better, but a bad wine or cigar cannot be saved by aging.
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From where? Please provide a linky!
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Linky For Ya
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They say "puro" is Spanish for "premium" cigar. BS! "Puro" actually means "pure". A Nicaragua puro is a cigar that is 100% Nicaraguan.

 

[MoeCizlak]

Isy, according to that site there are two blends. Do you carry the Olor or the Cubanito blend? Or are you high-grade enough to carry both blends?

 

[grateful1]

..., the oily sheen along with the strength flavors and body, which come later, tell me that this cigar has "legs" and possesses the potential to age well. Only time will answer that question for sure though.

What do these things have to do with aging potenial? How do they relate to aging?

Any chance of letting us know the answers to these questions?

 

[thechenman]

..., the oily sheen along with the strength flavors and body, which come later, tell me that this cigar has "legs" and possesses the potential to age well. Only time will answer that question for sure though.

What do these things have to do with aging potenial? How do they relate to aging?

Any chance of letting us know the answers to these questions?

Sure...I apologize about the late response, but dealing with a stock market meltdown this afternoon. This piece references CCs, but I hold that the basic fundamental properties of premium long-filler tobacco leaf that is dried and fermented in a similar fashion, regardless of the country where it is grown, follow the same basic chemical principles when it comes to aging. The chemical process, or at least the detailed analysis of this aging process is of course not scientifically documented. We suspect what is going on during the aging process to the best of our understanding, but this area could certainly be explored in more detail. Also in Paul Gamarian's book entitled, "The Gourmet Guide to Cigars," he mentions this as well. I can't find an excerpt of the section on Aging online, but for those of you who have the book, it should not be hard to find.

"All premium Cuban cigars have potential to age well. How well a cigar ages doesn't depend on the brand name but instead, depends on which cigars have oily tobacco and the quality of the tobacco that is used in the cigar...However, if you plan to age cigars, try to age cigars that have dark, oily wrapper leaves. The darker the cigar, the more aging potential it has. As a cigar ages, the natural oils in the tobacco will extrude and crystalize; creating a dust-like substance called "plume" (aka "bloom"). Plume is a good sign that a cigar is aging well so the more oils there is in a cigar, the better it will age. Cigars with little oils or aged cigars that have exhausted their natural oils can eventually shrivel and become more fragile and mellow in flavour and this is not good. The purpose of aging cigars is to allow the tobacco to amalgamate which creates more defined flavours when smoked. To do this, you should age cigars that have dark, oily wrappers. (Darker tobacco is also more mature and richer in flavour as they have grown the longest on a tobacco plant before harvesting.)...As I mentioned earlier, all premium Cuban cigars can age well but dark, oily cigars will age to the fullest potential. (Cigars with less oils and a lighter wrapper colour can still age but are less likely to be as rich and defined as a darker cigar.)" Link

There are other sites out there that talk about this as well. Ultimately though it comes down to personal experience and personal belief. After all...taste is subjective, and not everyone likes the same thing. I know many who hate aged cigars, and prefer the taste and flavors of young/fresh cigars. To each their own.

 

[CyGar]

..., the oily sheen along with the strength flavors and body, which come later, tell me that this cigar has "legs" and possesses the potential to age well. Only time will answer that question for sure though.

What do these things have to do with aging potenial? How do they relate to aging?

Any chance of letting us know the answers to these questions?

Sure...I apologize about the late response, but dealing with a stock market meltdown this afternoon. This piece references CCs, but I hold that the basic fundamental properties of premium long-filler tobacco leaf that is dried and fermented in a similar fashion, regardless of the country where it is grown, follow the same basic chemical principles when it comes to aging. The chemical process, or at least the detailed analysis of this aging process is of course not scientifically documented. We suspect what is going on during the aging process to the best of our understanding, but this area could certainly be explored in more detail. Also in Paul Gamarian's book entitled, "The Gourmet Guide to Cigars," he mentions this as well. I can't find an excerpt of the section on Aging online, but for those of you who have the book, it should not be hard to find.

"All premium Cuban cigars have potential to age well. How well a cigar ages doesn't depend on the brand name but instead, depends on which cigars have oily tobacco and the quality of the tobacco that is used in the cigar...However, if you plan to age cigars, try to age cigars that have dark, oily wrapper leaves. The darker the cigar, the more aging potential it has. As a cigar ages, the natural oils in the tobacco will extrude and crystalize; creating a dust-like substance called "plume" (aka "bloom"). Plume is a good sign that a cigar is aging well so the more oils there is in a cigar, the better it will age. Cigars with little oils or aged cigars that have exhausted their natural oils can eventually shrivel and become more fragile and mellow in flavour and this is not good. The purpose of aging cigars is to allow the tobacco to amalgamate which creates more defined flavours when smoked. To do this, you should age cigars that have dark, oily wrappers. (Darker tobacco is also more mature and richer in flavour as they have grown the longest on a tobacco plant before harvesting.)...As I mentioned earlier, all premium Cuban cigars can age well but dark, oily cigars will age to the fullest potential. (Cigars with less oils and a lighter wrapper colour can still age but are less likely to be as rich and defined as a darker cigar.)" Link

There are other sites out there that talk about this as well. Ultimately though it comes down to personal experience and personal belief. After all...taste is subjective, and not everyone likes the same thing. I know many who hate aged cigars, and prefer the taste and flavors of young/fresh cigars. To each their own.

Thanks, that explains it for me.

 

[grateful1]

..., the oily sheen along with the strength flavors and body, which come later, tell me that this cigar has "legs" and possesses the potential to age well. Only time will answer that question for sure though.

What do these things have to do with aging potenial? How do they relate to aging?

Any chance of letting us know the answers to these questions?

Sure...I apologize about the late response, but dealing with a stock market meltdown this afternoon. This piece references CCs, but I hold that the basic fundamental properties of premium long-filler tobacco leaf that is dried and fermented in a similar fashion, regardless of the country where it is grown, follow the same basic chemical principles when it comes to aging. The chemical process, or at least the detailed analysis of this aging process is of course not scientifically documented. We suspect what is going on during the aging process to the best of our understanding, but this area could certainly be explored in more detail. Also in Paul Gamarian's book entitled, "The Gourmet Guide to Cigars," he mentions this as well. I can't find an excerpt of the section on Aging online, but for those of you who have the book, it should not be hard to find.

"All premium Cuban cigars have potential to age well. How well a cigar ages doesn't depend on the brand name but instead, depends on which cigars have oily tobacco and the quality of the tobacco that is used in the cigar...However, if you plan to age cigars, try to age cigars that have dark, oily wrapper leaves. The darker the cigar, the more aging potential it has. As a cigar ages, the natural oils in the tobacco will extrude and crystalize; creating a dust-like substance called "plume" (aka "bloom"). Plume is a good sign that a cigar is aging well so the more oils there is in a cigar, the better it will age. Cigars with little oils or aged cigars that have exhausted their natural oils can eventually shrivel and become more fragile and mellow in flavour and this is not good. The purpose of aging cigars is to allow the tobacco to amalgamate which creates more defined flavours when smoked. To do this, you should age cigars that have dark, oily wrappers. (Darker tobacco is also more mature and richer in flavour as they have grown the longest on a tobacco plant before harvesting.)...As I mentioned earlier, all premium Cuban cigars can age well but dark, oily cigars will age to the fullest potential. (Cigars with less oils and a lighter wrapper colour can still age but are less likely to be as rich and defined as a darker cigar.)" Link

There are other sites out there that talk about this as well. Ultimately though it comes down to personal experience and personal belief. After all...taste is subjective, and not everyone likes the same thing. I know many who hate aged cigars, and prefer the taste and flavors of young/fresh cigars. To each their own.

Thanks, that explains it for me.

...and that's why it helps to have linky's and detailed reference!

As for the quote...hmmmm, I'll have to look into that. Specifically the part of darker tobacco.

I've stated this elsewhere....I had two boxes with the same code on them. One was MUCH darker than the other, yet they both smoked the same.

As for aging of these smokes, I'll have to see if I still have a few of each left and check it out.

 

[MoeCizlak]

..., the oily sheen along with the strength flavors and body, which come later, tell me that this cigar has "legs" and possesses the potential to age well. Only time will answer that question for sure though.

What do these things have to do with aging potenial? How do they relate to aging?

Any chance of letting us know the answers to these questions?

Sure...I apologize about the late response, but dealing with a stock market meltdown this afternoon. This piece references CCs, but I hold that the basic fundamental properties of premium long-filler tobacco leaf that is dried and fermented in a similar fashion, regardless of the country where it is grown, follow the same basic chemical principles when it comes to aging. The chemical process, or at least the detailed analysis of this aging process is of course not scientifically documented. We suspect what is going on during the aging process to the best of our understanding, but this area could certainly be explored in more detail. Also in Paul Gamarian's book entitled, "The Gourmet Guide to Cigars," he mentions this as well. I can't find an excerpt of the section on Aging online, but for those of you who have the book, it should not be hard to find.

"All premium Cuban cigars have potential to age well. How well a cigar ages doesn't depend on the brand name but instead, depends on which cigars have oily tobacco and the quality of the tobacco that is used in the cigar...However, if you plan to age cigars, try to age cigars that have dark, oily wrapper leaves. The darker the cigar, the more aging potential it has. As a cigar ages, the natural oils in the tobacco will extrude and crystalize; creating a dust-like substance called "plume" (aka "bloom"). Plume is a good sign that a cigar is aging well so the more oils there is in a cigar, the better it will age. Cigars with little oils or aged cigars that have exhausted their natural oils can eventually shrivel and become more fragile and mellow in flavour and this is not good. The purpose of aging cigars is to allow the tobacco to amalgamate which creates more defined flavours when smoked. To do this, you should age cigars that have dark, oily wrappers. (Darker tobacco is also more mature and richer in flavour as they have grown the longest on a tobacco plant before harvesting.)...As I mentioned earlier, all premium Cuban cigars can age well but dark, oily cigars will age to the fullest potential. (Cigars with less oils and a lighter wrapper colour can still age but are less likely to be as rich and defined as a darker cigar.)" Link

There are other sites out there that talk about this as well. Ultimately though it comes down to personal experience and personal belief. After all...taste is subjective, and not everyone likes the same thing. I know many who hate aged cigars, and prefer the taste and flavors of young/fresh cigars. To each their own.

I have a question about this part of this statement. Would a leaf from a tobacco plant that is shade grown be lighter than the leaf from a sungrown plant if they spent the same amount of time on their respective plants? I agree with the richer in flavour part of the statement but I would question that darker means it spent more time on the plant. The quote also seems to imply that plume is automatic given the right amount of time. Granted my personal tastes are for cigars stored at 60-65% so I'm not holding my breath, but I don't think plume happens to everyone at some point, does it?


Edit to add bold.

 

[Strayvector]

For me the Dirty Rat was incredibly good, the no.9 was good, MF-4 was good, t-52 not so much, and the Flying Pig sucked.

 

[CyGar]

Well I finally had a no. 9. I guess my overall experience was not what I expected. I think the biggest thing for me that is, was the draw. It was not as smooth and easy as I'd hoped. I like a nice easy draw and this did not have that. I guess I also expected it to have a little more spice than it did as well. Maybe one that has been aged for a while would do better for me. Do you all think that it would mellow with age or get stronger?