"Che" by Steven Soderbergh

[Zeebra]

No thank you on seeing that movie and I'm not even Cuban....


Dan

If it's an objective movie and shows what happened why not? Should people never make a movie about Hitler because he was evil? If you don't learn from history you can make the same mistakes over and over. I don't think there's anything wrong with making movies or writing books about historical figures who had a huge impact on the world.

 

[Gonz]

No thank you on seeing that movie and I'm not even Cuban....


Dan

If it's an objective movie and shows what happened why not? Should people never make a movie about Hitler because he was evil? If you don't learn from history you can make the same mistakes over and over. I don't think there's anything wrong with making movies or writing books about historical figures who had a huge impact on the world.

Very well said, thank you!

 

[moki]

Or perhaps some of them do. Some people still do read, I think. Or is every last person in this Great Nation of ours an idiot?

To those who do, I have no issue. Most people who wear Che's likeness have no clue who is was, or what he did, though. He's become to represent everything he hated, and is quite the mover of capitalistic goods.

 

[Lightninrod]

and gone also is the darker, more turbulent Che who signed orders to execute prisoners in Cuban jails without a fair trial.

The above is from this very flowery article on that killer.

"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary...These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of the The Wall! (El Paredón)" --Ernesto 'Che' Guevara

This "idealized icon" is the one who, as a modern day Grand Inquisitor, eliminated many of his foes with a single pistol shot to the back of their heads. And he is also the same one who authored these enhancing words printed in the identity booklets of young Cuban soldiers sent to fight in Angola: "Blind hate against the enemy creates a forceful impulse that cracks the boundaries of natural human limitations, transforming the soldier in an effective, selective and cold killing machine. A people without hate cannot triumph against the adversary."

THE REAL CHE GUEVARA

"Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate

while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood. With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for

the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl!"

"Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his

natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is

what our soldiers must become … " Che Guevara

He was very 'brave' when he was at la

Cabaña Fortress murdering innocent

civilians, including a 14 year old child.

 

[LilBastage]

Geeze, if your going to stir the pot (and violate forum rules) at least use the quote function correctly. Your posts are difficult to read the way they are.

I think it's about time to close this one down.

Rod?

 

[tsmckenney]

My apologies Rod. I got excited when I read about this film being released. I used to really enjoy films by Soderbergh and have always enjoyed Benicio's work as well. So, hot damn, here they are together again and it's a movie not involving another unoriginal casino heist. The only reason I posted it here was a) it is Cuba related and b) Che obviously used to smoke some cigars. I'm not trying to drop excuses, this was an oversight on my part. I'm just trying to assure you that I was not trying to get folks hot and bothered.

Again, I apologize.

Also, I feel compelled to add, there is no connection here with my avatar. He's an interesting historical figure who smoked a ton of cigars. That's always been the beginning and end of it for me within this forum.

 

[NullSmurf]

Castro smoked a bunch too, but I managed to resist using his pic for an avatar.

 

[tsmckenney]

Castro smoked a bunch too, but I managed to resist using his pic for an avatar.

I'm trying to soften the situation. What are you trying to do?

 

[NullSmurf]

Make a point. Its made.

If I ever have a smoke with you, I'll tell you why I tend to react vicerally to those who have anything good to say about Cuba, Castro, or Che.

 

[tsmckenney]

Make a point. Its made.

If I ever have a smoke with you, I'll tell you why I tend to react vicerally to those who have anything good to say about Cuba, Castro, or Che.

Fair enough. Though I think I'd bore you. I rarely stop talking about women. I've been told to take my meds on a number of occasions.

 

[Wurm]

Che is revered and demonized by many who only know him from the history of him that they have read and there is so much conflicting information I don't think any of us will ever know the truth.

I tend not to hate historical figures who were dead before or shorty after I was born, regardless of what they may or may not have done.

To hate someone is to give them power over you.

I'm going to go see the film on the film's merits alone.

Just like when I went to see Der Untergang

 

[MiamiCubano]

Che was as much of a murdering tyrant as is Fidel; Fidel has simply had longer to exercise his brutality. My family witnessed first hand what those of "the revolution" were about, and, as many of you know who know my history with regards to it, experienced it first hand. I have no desire to see anything made about the murderer, particularly by the apologists and/or revisionists so enamored with him.

 

[crluap]

I will see the movie when it makes its way to Minneapolis.

I find history a very fascinating and subjective subject. I'm sure to the exiles of Cuba Che was a muderous bastard. Yet he is revered in other countries. I think the truth lies somewhere in between. IMHO

 

[Devil Doc]

I got no problem with the movie as long as they didn't change the ending. Fuggin commie rable rouser got what he deserved.

Doc.