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Can you id this table top lighter?

MadMonk said:
If it's not constructive, what is the point of adding any more to this thread?
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I'm sorry but this guy doesn't rate my most intuitive and philosophical responses. I suspect he's a member of that percentage of folks who simply don't get it.

Doc
 
"You guys don't understand, you're doing it all wrong, and I'm going to be the one who will finally make you see!"

Don't need this type of energy around here. Haven't put up with it in the past; isn't going to change now.
 
MichaelD said:
I suspect it's because he's looking to fit in someplace and the whole lighter question was just a way to post something harmless in order to participate in a discussion. On the surface it's actually very understandable, but the thing is that between this most recent drama and the stuff before, I strongly suspect that our group will always remain suspect.
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Well said. CP is an awesome source of knowledge and wisdom. The desire to be a part of the "in" crowd can be strong. Let's also not forget that there is a generation of social media driven young men/women that think nothing of posting a pic of food and other mundane situations. Regardless, Groucho stepped on his dick and needs to lay low for a while.
 
Undegreed said:
Well said. CP is an awesome source of knowledge and wisdom. The desire to be a part of the "in" crowd can be strong. Let's also not forget that there is a generation of social media driven young men/women that think nothing of posting a pic of food and other mundane situations. Regardless, Groucho stepped on his dick and needs to lay low for a while.
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The issue is that he's "stepped on his dick" a few times now. Instead of laying low, he needs to take these multiple opportunities to learn from them and understand the culture we have here, and adapt to it if he wants to stay. But if he insists on coming out swinging every time it's pointed out that he's made an error, and tries to tell us how we're doing things wrong, he's not long for this community.
 
Undegreed said:
Well said. CP is an awesome source of knowledge and wisdom. The desire to be a part of the "in" crowd can be strong. Let's also not forget that there is a generation of social media driven young men/women that think nothing of posting a pic of food and other mundane situations. Regardless, Groucho stepped on his dick and needs to lay low for a while.
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There is also an entire generation of young men/women who aren't taught to understand how anyone could possibly have an opposing viewpoint to their own, or how to deal with someone disagreeing with them. Authority or respect of authority (in this case respect of well established and proven methods), to them, is not a familiar concept.

I'm seeing it more and more at school each year and it is because these individuals have grown up the the instant gratification of the internet/social media and are accustomed to being able to say whatever they want with no real "consequences." They thrive on posting pictures to various social media sites hoping to get various and immediate "likes" and I'm seeing what I think is a bit of that here. Groucho didn't get instantaneous "likes" of his post and it completely threw off his motive for posting. Then when called on it he completely blew up in the face of membership.

Interestingly enough, in his previous genital-stepping incident, he said he realized where he went wrong, would learn from it, and it wouldn't happen again; even posted about having a humbling day. Then, well, we all saw what happened here. So history dictates that he most likely won't learn from this experience either and the pattern will continue.

Groucho, a testament to this fine community is the fact that we all (or most of us) still seem willing to give you a chance to be a part of it. By my record, thats 2 chances. If you still want to join us, I think you know what you need to do. If not, well...time will tell, I suppose. Hang out for a bit, lay low, read up, and not just what is right in front of your face. Spend some time searching, going back through old threads, dig, explore, and learn. Then maybe, just maybe, you will get it.
 
bluue13, I'd like to add one more quality of our youngest of generations. That is, how many are spoiled by their parents, maybe because the parents don't have the time or patients to do real parenting, and even bigger is the huge sense of entitlement! There is an expectation that everything will be handed to them, so there is no sense of having to earn anything anymore. This is all just a generalization, some younger people are awesome.
 
George Scott said:
bluue13, I'd like to add one more quality of our youngest of generations. That is, how many are spoiled by their parents, maybe because the parents don't have the time or patients to do real parenting, and even bigger is the huge sense of entitlement! There is an expectation that everything will be handed to them, so there is no sense of having to earn anything anymore. This is all just a generalization, some younger people are awesome.
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This will sound more self-righteous than it is, so bear with me for a moment here.

I sat in on a conference call for some HR training at my job with a very high ranking executive VP of my company. Being the only "millennial" on an HR call where most were older, I quietly listened as many of the managers complained about these things. I heard about my generations strong sense of entitlement, evidenced by our belief that a college degree means we deserve an adequate job. Not much was mentioned about how our parents are the ones who taught us that, nor how many of us graduated at the peak of the recession after the housing market took a dump, and near all of us certainly didn't own homes or home equity stock. I heard about how we're all attention starved lunatics, growing up in a social media world. Can't say I disagree with this too much, though I'd argue that every generation has desired connectivity, we just had the internet. And then I heard about how we're all fickle. The average length of time in a company 40 years ago was far and away higher than it is now. The many managers went on and on about this one. Their point was that millennial don't know how to appreciate what they've got. And that's when the Exec VP spoke up.

"You know, we talk a lot about loyalty with millennials. We remember what it was like, working our way up the ladder. We remember how hard we had to fight to get where we are. But there's something we always seem to overlook. Back when we were working our way up the ladder, it wasn't uncommon to see a 10%, hell even a 20% raise for a good year. And then here I am, analyzing my pool of options to distribute amongst my team members, and it's between 1%-3%. At that rate, to get to where we are now, the average millennial will have to work for 267 years. We give them grief for being fickle, but we've put them in a system where the only possible way to get something verging on a 10% increase was to jump jobs, either to a new position or a new company. And then we harp on them for loyalty. I think they get a bad rap."

It was actually a pretty insightful comment. And he's right. I have to average 1 "big move" every 2 years and fight with HR to get a 10% increase so that I can keep up. At some point, middle age will make me far less marketable than young bucks with fresh degrees. I need to ensure I have a lasting job by that point, and ensure that I'm making more in corporate America than the average burger flipper or coffee slinger. It's that or get a job in fast food.
 
George Scott said:
bluue13, I'd like to add one more quality of our youngest of generations. That is, how many are spoiled by their parents, maybe because the parents don't have the time or patients to do real parenting, and even bigger is the huge sense of entitlement! There is an expectation that everything will be handed to them, so there is no sense of having to earn anything anymore. This is all just a generalization, some younger people are awesome.
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This is why I hate (most) men (and even women) my age.
 
Good input Brian. I'm 58 and I had a different experience then you Exec VP. I rarely saw jumps in salary of even 10%. I worked hard and was rewarded for my hard work. Sure I might have been in the right place at the right time, so I had some opportunities presented to me. But I truly believe I got to where I am today (wherever the hell that is, LOL!) because people liked my attitude and hard work, not because I was handed something. I did a lot of college for many years (while I was working) but never finished a degree, I hated it, I was not a theoretical type, I was more of a hands on type. So I learned on my own with experience and on the job training. I spent my spare time learning and teaching myself. I put in a lot of long years with no or minimal raises and the only time I got bumps in salary was between job changes after I learned everything I could at one job or got board, but it was many years between changes.

I always had big ideas while growing up on making my mark as an entrepreneur, but I was always too conservative to take the risks. I did finally start a small side business about 20 years ago, and I've worked hard at it, but it was never anything I expected to get rich from. I could tell that after the first 5 years, but I've kept it going. So I've worked my two jobs happily with pride and don't expect anyone to hand me anything.

Over the years I see this country headed toward socialism and I believe that's the root cause of your VP's limited options for his team. He probably grew up in a more capitalistic society.
 
Really great input George! :) Thank you for sharing your insight! Hope my statements didn't come across as pointing fingers, because like Bri said, Millennials have plenty of faults.

I think I can tend to generalize equally about how things used to be when I wasn't there. All I know is what I've lived and experienced, and I like to pride myself in my work-ethic and my incessant drive to improve, as well as my commitment and loyalty -- qualities my generation isn't so good at showing at times.
 
MNBrian said:
Really great input George! :) Thank you for sharing your insight! Hope my statements didn't come across as pointing fingers, because like Bri said, Millennials have plenty of faults.

I think I can tend to generalize equally about how things used to be when I wasn't there. All I know is what I've lived and experienced, and I like to pride myself in my work-ethic and my incessant drive to improve, as well as my commitment and loyalty -- qualities my generation isn't so good at showing at times.
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Didn't come across in anyway bad! I don't know your age, but no matter, you're one of the good guys :)

I remember when I was young and listening to people talking about generation gaps, and them complaining about the other generations. I formed an opinion early on that I would always remain as open minded as possible and try to not be affected by generalities in what people perceive as the generation gaps. When you open your mind, you can see the cause and effect everything has on our society. You shouldn't live in the past, it's unproductive.
 
Good points, all. When we vent about such things we do tend to speak in generalities. There are always exceptions.
 
George Scott said:
Good input Brian. I'm 58 and I had a different experience then you Exec VP. I rarely saw jumps in salary of even 10%. I worked hard and was rewarded for my hard work. Sure I might have been in the right place at the right time, so I had some opportunities presented to me. But I truly believe I got to where I am today (wherever the hell that is, LOL!) because people liked my attitude and hard work, not because I was handed something. I did a lot of college for many years (while I was working) but never finished a degree, I hated it, I was not a theoretical type, I was more of a hands on type. So I learned on my own with experience and on the job training. I spent my spare time learning and teaching myself. I put in a lot of long years with no or minimal raises and the only time I got bumps in salary was between job changes after I learned everything I could at one job or got board, but it was many years between changes.

I always had big ideas while growing up on making my mark as an entrepreneur, but I was always too conservative to take the risks. I did finally start a small side business about 20 years ago, and I've worked hard at it, but it was never anything I expected to get rich from. I could tell that after the first 5 years, but I've kept it going. So I've worked my two jobs happily with pride and don't expect anyone to hand me anything.

Over the years I see this country headed toward socialism and I believe that's the root cause of your VP's limited options for his team. He probably grew up in a more capitalistic society.
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Lets not make this a get off my lawn thing. As far as headed toward socialism? I'm simply going to state that socialism has been an integral part of the way our country runs for a long time. Please think about the military, Medicaid, public education, infrastructure etc etc which run based on socialism and not free market capitalism. Anyways if things really ran on free market capitalism the Auto and Banking industries would be gone as a result of the 08 financial disaster. There's a fine dance we dance and it is what it is. What I see many times is blame. Blame this, blame them, blame X person, group, or thing. Instead of blame, we should all keep eating the crap sandwich, and if we don't like it, we should be pro active in changing things for the better. You often are not going to be able to create a paradigm shift, however you can make progress toward the greater good to benefit everyone. Stop thinking like, hey I did it, so can you. That may be over simplifying it. Think about what situation others may be in. Not everyone is destined to be a CEO, leader of a startup or business. Not everyone wants to either. We all travel unique life journeys and should respect that.

Peace,

C
 
Im new here, and certainly not a troll. But I didn't see anything wrong with the original post. If I wanted to know what it was or if anyone would recommend using one, I would ask a group like this too. I guess I better educate myself on troll behavior. I prefer a pocket torch anyway.
 
ThinBlueLine said:
Im new here, and certainly not a troll. But I didn't see anything wrong with the original post. If I wanted to know what it was or if anyone would recommend using one, I would ask a group like this too. I guess I better educate myself on troll behavior. I prefer a pocket torch anyway.
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The problem wasn't the original post, it was the responses that ensued when the membership wanted more info about the original post.
 
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