Just need to vent a little!

[Yeahthatsme]

Where are you all getting the idea that Robbie has a dislike for law enforcement? If anything, his posts suggests to me that he holds law enforcement officers to a high standard, which I hardly see to be a bad thing.

I asked him to tell me otherwise. I like Robbie, I've chatted with him a few times in CP chat and always thought him to be a good dude. If he explains the meaning behind his initial questions that raised eyebrows from a few of us LEO's, then it is no biggie. The reason for the suspicion that he dislikes law enforcement probably stems from the fact that I deal with similar questions on a weekly, sometimes even daily, basis that usually come from people who think that cops are assholes who are merely bullies with a badge and gun. I guess maybe after so much of it we get a bit defensive. How would you feel if every day someone told you to your face that you were a piece of shit, and this is after you helped them? It wears, no matter how much you are a professional.

Also, when reading his questions and replies, it's the implied that bothers us. The flip side to the coin is that you cannot tell inflection in text, so a harmless question in person may come off in a wayyyy different manner when typed.

Some very fair points there, Charles. I believe this is the moment where we hope Robbie steps in and makes his intentions clear.

 

[souldog]

Some very fair points there, Charles. I believe this is the moment where we hope Robbie steps in and makes his intentions clear.

Great points by Tom AND Charlie both. As for Robbie, I like him alot, and he's always there to help with homebrewing and the like. I just think it's unfortunate the broad brush that LEOs are painted with by him, but this is America and we are entitled to our freedom to speak how we want, and to hold the opinions we want.

As far as Joe goes, I can't wait to tussle his hair like a ten year old boy (shameless stolen robbiex0r quote), and give that Twilight fan a big hug at the Outlaw. But get a haircut, ya hippy. :angry:

 

[robbiex0r]

I think you are reading a little too much into what people were saying. If you read carefully, none of us LEO's mentioned we were hoping for the same retribution. While I don't agree with what people wrote, wishing harm, advocating an ass kicking, ect ect, that is their opinion. The amount of shady police business that goes on is pretty small compared to the amount of good, honest day to day community policing.

I'm going to say that Jon nailed it on the head when he said you obviously have a problem with law enforcement. You sound like the type that think all we do is beat people up behind closed doors and violate their rights. Please tell me otherwise.

Fair, there are good cops and there are bad cops, but I hold them all to a higher standard. That standard seems to have been lowered in recent years. Please prove to me otherwise.

My goodness, aren't we clever this morning.....

The only problem I've ever had with law enforcement is when they slip in behind me on I-5 when I'm doing 85. Even then, to call it a "problem" is a bit over the top.

I'm genuinely sorry you have the perception of law enforcement that you do, Robbie. You paint the brave folks in the LEO community with a broad brush that they don't deserve. Examples of failure can be found in any profession, and in any group. To imply it's the norm is cynical and unfair. Bad cops are caught, and punished as they should be.

I trust the guys in blue completely. Not out of ignorance or naivete, but because I genuinely believe they earn my trust every day they put on the badge and gun. I believe they demonstrate the best kind of professionalism in what they do.

Robbie, even though you appear to despise law enforcement and believe they are uncontrolled thugs, when you call 911 they'll come and help. I think that says a lot.

Regards - B.B.S.

Clever? Maybe. Funny how the same argument with a few words changed sounds so ludicrous when presented from the other side, isnt it? I don't however, trust anyone intrinsically because of their occupation. I've been helped by the police and I've been jerked around by them.

I do not believe bad cops are caught and punished, unless you considered paid leave to punishment. Forgive me if rampant unchecked corruption make me a bit sour. Then again, my sentiments hold true for any kind of corruption.

Where are you all getting the idea that Robbie has a dislike for law enforcement? If anything, his posts suggests to me that he holds law enforcement officers to a high standard, which I hardly see to be a bad thing.

I asked him to tell me otherwise. I like Robbie, I've chatted with him a few times in CP chat and always thought him to be a good dude. If he explains the meaning behind his initial questions that raised eyebrows from a few of us LEO's, then it is no biggie. The reason for the suspicion that he dislikes law enforcement probably stems from the fact that I deal with similar questions on a weekly, sometimes even daily, basis that usually come from people who think that cops are assholes who are merely bullies with a badge and gun. I guess maybe after so much of it we get a bit defensive. How would you feel if every day someone told you to your face that you were a piece of shit, and this is after you helped them? It wears, no matter how much you are a professional.

Also, when reading his questions and replies, it's the implied that bothers us. The flip side to the coin is that you cannot tell inflection in text, so a harmless question in person may come off in a wayyyy different manner when typed.

This is called tech support, and this is my life. Also, CP Chat doesn't exist.

I fear we have ventured off topic quite a bit, but this is the internet, a place for exploring. I do not like to see people voice violent opinions against anyone, especially the accused. To do so undermines the very values that make America what it is. Yes, even a cop killer, or a dog shooter, has the right to a fair trial, and fair punishment.

No citizen, badge or otherwise, gets to play judge judy and executioner. And none of us should tolerate anything less.

and Jon, shut up. :0

 

[CRQuarto]

Fair enough Robbie, I just had to make my thoughts known. Your opinion is your opinion, and that is the great thing about this country. No hard feelings I hope, and I hope some day I can change your opinion on law enforcement.

I agree, this got off topic and I'm partly to blame for that. Sorry Q.

 

[MoeCizlak]

Great attitude Charles. :thumbs: I'm sure you'll change his opinion just like I changed his opinion about salesmen. He used to think they were blithering idiots who didn't know what they were talking about but wouldn't stop talking because they feared awkward silences. Then he met me. :whistling:

 

[emoshun]

To the OP, I hope your partner recovers and is back with you soon!

The perp who did this will reap what he sows, that I am sure of.

-Jimmy

 

[BlindedByScience]

Fair enough Robbie, I just had to make my thoughts known. Your opinion is your opinion, and that is the great thing about this country. No hard feelings I hope, and I hope some day I can change your opinion on law enforcement.
I agree, this got off topic and I'm partly to blame for that. Sorry Q.

...ditto. Robbie, I hope you didn't take the debate personally though we disagree.

That is what's great about the forums and our country.....we can disagree and sill share a great smoke and a beverage. You guys are all welcome here, anytime.

Regards to all - B.B.S.

 

[souldog]

You guys are all welcome here, anytime.

I'm getting on a plane and going to Tom's tomorrow! PARTYYY!!!

 

[BlindedByScience]

You guys are all welcome here, anytime.

I'm getting on a plane and going to Tom's tomorrow! PARTYYY!!!

...shoot me a PM and fly into PDX. Anytime, my friend.....anytime.....