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Spicy is not a good attribute to have in a cigar.

Nimrod

Nimrod

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I was watching the on-line Videos on CA, and the one where they go to the Padron factory, the CA person made a comment on spicy cigars.
He said "spicy" is usually attributed to not having enough age to the smoke, and the Padron person replied something
along the lines of 'spicy is not a good attribute to have in a cigar.'

Did you see this video?

It makes me wonder. I see the word 'spicy' used almost everywhere on a cigar.

From my experience with cigars, I can agree with Padron. I don't like 'spicy' cigars either, as long as we agree what 'spicy' means.

Can any one clarify what Padron meant by 'spicy'?

Thanks
 
I've not seen the video.

I usually use spicy when the black pepper aspects of the cigar are overpowering. I like a peppery cigar as long as it is not the only attribute of the cigar and as long as it's not overpowering. I find a lot of maduros (Padron included) to share this profile and that's why I like them so much. Some are a little too heavy on the pepper and I describe these as spicy. I find this unpleasant.

Sweet, peppery tobacco goodness with some hints of cocoa and black cherries is my description of Padron cigars. The different lines within the brand have different degrees of these flavors for me so I can really adapt my cigar to my mood.

Edited to add: To answer your actual question: I don't know what Padron meant by 'spicy'.
 
I agree, I do not like a good amount of spice in a cigar. To me it takes away from the other flavors and it's sort of bothersome. I don't mind a small amount, but if it's overpowering I think it gets in the way.

This statement makes sense to me to hear from Padron, as I can not recall a Padron cigar that has spice in it.

For me, spice is felt on the tounge and back of the mouth. I guess I would describe it as a peppery, tingly feeling I get from the wrapper.
 
Brickhouse said:
I agree, I do not like a good amount of spice in a cigar. To me it takes away from the other flavors and it's sort of bothersome. I don't mind a small amount, but if it's overpowering I think it gets in the way.

This statement makes sense to me to hear from Padron, as I can not recall a Padron cigar that has spice in it.

For me, spice is felt on the tounge and back of the mouth. I guess I would describe it as a peppery, tingly feeling I get from the wrapper.
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If I can feel it on my tongue, it's spicy. If I can just taste the pepper, it's just about right. It's a very hard distinction to put into words, but I know it when I feel it or taste it. Maybe if my sense of taste was as refined as Wyatt's I'd be able to describe it better. :D
 
LilBastage said:
Brickhouse said:
I agree, I do not like a good amount of spice in a cigar. To me it takes away from the other flavors and it's sort of bothersome. I don't mind a small amount, but if it's overpowering I think it gets in the way.

This statement makes sense to me to hear from Padron, as I can not recall a Padron cigar that has spice in it.

For me, spice is felt on the tounge and back of the mouth. I guess I would describe it as a peppery, tingly feeling I get from the wrapper.
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If I can feel it on my tongue, it's spicy. If I can just taste the pepper, it's just about right. It's a very hard distinction to put into words, but I know it when I feel it or taste it. Maybe if my sense of taste was as refined as Wyatt's I'd be able to describe it better. :D
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Hehe, yeah right.

It's funny we used the same word "Pepper" but I think we meant two different things. I think it was poor word usage on my part.

I like pepper in moderation, but I agree with you in that I look at pepper as similar but more subtle than spice. I probably used the wrong word there when I said peppery to describe spice. I should have said overly strong pepper. I like the pepper I get out of Short Stories for instance, but once it takes over the profile of the cigar it ruins it IMO.

I've never had this be the case with any Padron cigars.
 
Brickhouse said:
LilBastage said:
Brickhouse said:
I agree, I do not like a good amount of spice in a cigar. To me it takes away from the other flavors and it's sort of bothersome. I don't mind a small amount, but if it's overpowering I think it gets in the way.

This statement makes sense to me to hear from Padron, as I can not recall a Padron cigar that has spice in it.

For me, spice is felt on the tounge and back of the mouth. I guess I would describe it as a peppery, tingly feeling I get from the wrapper.
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If I can feel it on my tongue, it's spicy. If I can just taste the pepper, it's just about right. It's a very hard distinction to put into words, but I know it when I feel it or taste it. Maybe if my sense of taste was as refined as Wyatt's I'd be able to describe it better. :D
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Hehe, yeah right.

It's funny we used the same word "Pepper" but I think we meant two different things. I think it was poor word usage on my part.

I like pepper in moderation, but I agree with you in that I look at pepper as similar but more subtle than spice. I probably used the wrong word there when I said peppery to describe spice. I should have said overly strong pepper. I like the pepper I get out of Short Stories for instance, but once it takes over the profile of the cigar it ruins it IMO.

I've never had this be the case with any Padron cigars.
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I think we're on the same page. We're at least in the same chapter, anyway. :laugh:

I've only had a few cigars that were too spicy, and most of those were cigars that weren't very good anyway.

I think one of the worse examples I ever had was a Rocky Patel Factory Select. It was ALL spice and nothing else. The other was a Camacho Liberty that was very similar.

Padrons hit my sweet spot, but I think I'm starting to sound like some kind of shill, so I'll shut up about them. :laugh:
 
Brickhouse said:
I agree, I do not like a good amount of spice in a cigar. To me it takes away from the other flavors and it's sort of bothersome. I don't mind a small amount, but if it's overpowering I think it gets in the way.

This statement makes sense to me to hear from Padron, as I can not recall a Padron cigar that has spice in it.

For me, spice is felt on the tounge and back of the mouth. I guess I would describe it as a peppery, tingly feeling I get from the wrapper.
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Wyatt,
I find this interesting because I know that you enjoy many of the Pepin blends, and I've always considered them peppery. I will be the first to admit that I have not experienced nearly as many cigars as you, and my tastes probably aren't refined. I guess my question is, if you don't like overly peppery cigars, what would you describe Pepins as?

The reason I ask this is because I want to continue to develop my ability to "taste" cigars, and wonder what others relate certain tastes with. I know it's all subjective to the person, but having a base to work from certainly helps. I do agree with the fact that when I smoke a Padron (any of them) I get more of a creamy, cocoa taste than pepper, but it's there in the background.
 
Some of the Tat & Oliva V cigars are my favorites for spice. I don't know about Padron being spicey though. I can't think of another cigar that even reminds me of a Padron. There was once when I followed an Exculsivo with a Mayorga robusto and the Mayorga seemed to taste like the Padron. Tried to duplicate it once with a #9 and it didn't work.
 
Bsneed51 said:
Wyatt,
I find this interesting because I know that you enjoy many of the Pepin blends, and I've always considered them peppery. I will be the first to admit that I have not experienced nearly as many cigars as you, and my tastes probably aren't refined. I guess my question is, if you don't like overly peppery cigars, what would you describe Pepins as?

The reason I ask this is because I want to continue to develop my ability to "taste" cigars, and wonder what others relate certain tastes with. I know it's all subjective to the person, but having a base to work from certainly helps. I do agree with the fact that when I smoke a Padron (any of them) I get more of a creamy, cocoa taste than pepper, but it's there in the background.
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First off, I'm not as "experienced" as you may think, hehe. I'm learning as I go to bro :)

But to answer your question the best I can: Spice is a funny thing for me. I enjoy spice.....to a degree. Once it passes a certain point, I think it takes away from the cigar and makes it less enjoyable. Pepper doesn't hit me in the same spot spice does. I like a nice subtle pepper flavor.

Tats, I can't think of any that hit me as spicy. I mainly only smoke Brown label and reserva Tats. Very few reds, and no whites at all.

DPGs, I don't find spice in the Series JJ. At least not to a point it turns me off. I have, however, smoked many a Black Label DPG that has struck me as overly spicy and is the reason I don't have nearly as many of those as I do the Blue Lables and Series JJs.
 
Padron makes lovely cigars. Especially his 1964, 1926 lines. I saw the video at CA. That said, I love what I call spicy cigars. I like spicy food, I love my cheese to bite me back. Subtle is great, and I find Padrons thousand series more subtle when young, and what I call spicier, with more than a little age on them. It all depends on my mood. Most of the time, my mood is for spicy. So unless I really know what Padron meant, I really am left thinking he may have meant more akin to some cigars that sting your lips.

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Like others have said, spicy, to me at least, is like black pepper and has a certain "sting" to it. I personally like cigars that have a spiciness to them as long as it is not overpowering. Pepin's cigars are a good example of striking a right balance (for the most part) b/w enough spice to keep you interested and too much. Litto's sticks sometimes are too spicy for my taste, as are Opus for the most part. Cuban Partagas and Ramon Allones are my favorite marcas and both have a subtle spice to them. For my taste, spice should be a subtle undertone to the cigar and not the main characteristic of it.
 
Nimrod said:
It makes me wonder. I see the word 'spicy' used almost everywhere on a cigar.

From my experience with cigars, I can agree with Padron. I don't like 'spicy' cigars either, as long as we agree what 'spicy' means.

Can any one clarify what Padron meant by 'spicy'?

Thanks
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I don't agree... it's about taste. Some people feel that foods should not be spicy either... but I happen to really enjoy spicy Thai food sometimes.

That said, I also like the cigars that Padrón puts out... different taste profiles for different moods/settings, I think... just like food.
 
moki said:
Nimrod said:
It makes me wonder. I see the word 'spicy' used almost everywhere on a cigar.

From my experience with cigars, I can agree with Padron. I don't like 'spicy' cigars either, as long as we agree what 'spicy' means.

Can any one clarify what Padron meant by 'spicy'?

Thanks
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I don't agree... it's about taste. Some people feel that foods should not be spicy either... but I happen to really enjoy spicy Thai food sometimes.

That said, I also like the cigars that Padrón puts out... different taste profiles for different moods/settings, I think... just like food.
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Yep.
What Andrew said :D
 
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