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The Ethical Rebounds of Cigars born of Dubious Origins

Dave

Padilla Lanceros, yum yum!!
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While in my search for one of the fabled "holy grail" smokes, I ran across a certain passage from a reputable and acknowledged aficionado of cigars. This passage immediately ceased my search for the fabled cigars, which shall not be mentioned, nor shall the passage be cited, nor shall the botl be referenced to. If you know who the botl is, or know of the cigar, then you may well understand the story behind this atrocity. I will say one thing though, many have laid hands upon this particular cigar, and it is claimed to have been one of the best smokes ever made, even a waiting list for this cigar should it ever re-appear on the market is present.

This does not make the persons whom have bought these cigars bad people, however the ones producing this particular cigar are doing so at the injury of the person who originally commissioned these cigars. This is probably not the first, nor the last case of this type of scenario happening, I am sure there are many other cigars produced at the expense of someone else in this or a similar manner.

So what would the ethical disposition of you or I dictate the proposed actions if and when we come across the opportunity to acquire said fabled icon? Would you buy it knowing that even though it is one of the best smokes in the world knowing the history of it, and the damage of it's existence has done?

I am torn by two ends, I can't support the people continuing producing this cigar, and if and when I get the roller's name, I will gladly out him out, unless someone already knows who the roller is and would like to do me the favor. On the other hand, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, nothing more than a great smoke. I'm probably more moved by the former.

What's your opinion?
 
Not a contest...

Other than the fact that I can't/will not pay for one I hope they are no longer being rolled. Hopefully someone with more information that I can recall/pin down will make a post about them.
 
The idea behind the product is sometimes more important than the product itself.

I apologize for being ambiguous, but I believe that revealing publicly any information on the cigar will further increase it's hype and popularity where even though it is credited, is not well deserved.
 
I apologize for being ambiguous, but I believe that revealing publicly any information on the cigar will further increase it's hype and popularity where even though it is credited, is not well deserved.


On a cigar board at 1:30 in the morning? I doubt we'll drum up enough hype to really make a difference.
 
I apologize for being ambiguous, but I believe that revealing publicly any information on the cigar will further increase it's hype and popularity where even though it is credited, is not well deserved.


On a cigar board at 1:30 in the morning? I doubt we'll drum up enough hype to really make a difference.

Well, the problem is that it will still be there tomorrow and this site is widely trafficked.
 
I completely concur with the matter at hand.

Oh YEAH, I have no freakin' idea what he is talking about either and I've been smoking cigars for 20 years, even worked in the business for a few of those. This is a #4 on my list from the other night. My best guess is that he is referring to any ISOM because of the Communist oppression? Great attempt at discourse but it has landed with a thud; sounds intriguing though. Maybe he’s just blowin’ smoke up our arses?

Someone PM when this is illuminated please.
 
Ignoring the morality of the production of the cigar, let's say that you've smoked the best cigar ever made, then what? Quite smoking? Nothing will ever be the same afterwards.
 
Dave... Hi...Kelly here. Nice to meet you. :)

Now Dave... you are not in the intelligence business. If you tell us...you won't have to kill us. - well, maybe SOME of us-
(But not me.) ;) Either you are being waaaay to ambiguous or we are all too obtuse.
I think we are all big boys and girls here.. (...er...some bigger than others...I suppose.) , so give us the scoop, The Dealio, The Dilly, The 411, ...don't make us guess. Thankee Mucho.

C&G ..."I am the boss, I need the info."
 
Ignoring the morality of the production of the cigar, let's say that you've smoked the best cigar ever made, then what? Quite smoking? Nothing will ever be the same afterwards.

I met a girl like that once...dated her for six months.

Figured I would never have the chance at anotherone like her.
So, I married her.
Man... I love that woman.

C&G... Feeling really "In Love" right now. :thumbs:
 
Dave... Hi...Kelly here. Nice to meet you. :)

Now Dave... you are not in the intelligence business. If you tell us...you won't have to kill us. - well, maybe SOME of us-
(But not me.) ;) Either you are being waaaay to ambiguous or we are all too obtuse.
I think we are all big boys and girls here.. (...er...some bigger than others...I suppose.) , so give us the scoop, The Dealio, The Dilly, The 411, ...don't make us guess. Thankee Mucho.

C&G ..."I am the boss, I need the info."

Ok, I'm going to have to kill you now.... :sign:


No seriously, this isn't meant to be a guessing game about the cigar. Hell, I can't even tell you the country(s) or origin and the vitolas because that would actually give it away, and I fear that revealing the facts publicly might cause some divisions amongst fellow brothers here caused by differences in opinion. These are great people, and it is a great cigar.

The question of the thread though... is a cigar just a cigar? Or does the idea behind the cigar bear more considerable significance?

Some more questions:

If it is not black and white, where does the gray start and end? How to judge a product from it's history? Does owning a DVD give you the right to make a DVD rip out of it (for comparative analogy to the cigar question)?
 
All I got out of that was,

"The first rule of fight club is..."
There are no rules. So give it up Dave and no, this thread was not about "is a cigar a cigar" or you would have left out all the other stuff :laugh:

The idea behind the product is sometimes more important than the product itself.

I apologize for being ambiguous, but I believe that revealing publicly any information on the cigar will further increase it's hype and popularity where even though it is credited, is not well deserved.
No problem, PM me the name or names please.

Brian
 
Ok, I'm going to have to kill you now.... :sign:


No seriously, this isn't meant to be a guessing game about the cigar. Hell, I can't even tell you the country(s) or origin and the vitolas because that would actually give it away, and I fear that revealing the facts publicly might cause some divisions amongst fellow brothers here caused by differences in opinion. These are great people, and it is a great cigar.

The question of the thread though... is a cigar just a cigar? Or does the idea behind the cigar bear more considerable significance?

Some more questions:

If it is not black and white, where does the gray start and end? How to judge a product from it's history? Does owning a DVD give you the right to make a DVD rip out of it (for comparative analogy to the cigar question)?
If you're so worried about us finding out what this particular cigar is, then why bring up the topic in the first place? You've obviously already formed your own opinion on wether or not a "cigar is just a cigar" or not because you won't divulge any information. You should have known the only thing people would be interested in is figuring out what cigar you're talking about.

just my .02
 
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