I appreciate the links, I had actually read the pinned stuff before. I am not discussing sources, I am wanting to have a discussion on the nature of these, since some folks think these only come machine made in boxes of 25, and my friend's box says handmade box of 10. I am now curious about that difference. I assume such conversation is legal and fine, again correct me if I'm wrong. Also if this is better served now in the Cuban forum feel free to move it. Thanks