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Runaway Humidty

tone-ny

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Okay the Fungus Amungus thread bought to mind a problem I encountered with my cooled cabinet. I was wondering since Tom and Louie have cooled cabinets if they encountered this issue.

As some background on the subject of cooled cabinets, I have an Avallo, DDD cooled cabinet that I put on-line in January of 2007. I set it up at 65 degrees and 63% humidity. The cabinet ended up in the basement and not in my den as originally intended as the second floor gets pretty warm in the summer even with central air. The basement is always cool and in the winter is rarely goes above 61 degrees. So in the winter the cooling unit rarely goes on and the humidity in the basement stays around 45% humidity with a forced air heat system with an Aprilaire whole house humidifier. By the way the humidifier is the best thing I did when I replaced the furnace and added central air.

So my issue was this summer towards the end of the summer. I had runaway humidity. The whole house humidifier is turned off during the summer months. The basement stay around 56-60% humidity and the temp stays about 65-68 degrees. The humidity in the unit kept on creeping up and got to a max of 80% humidity. I proceeded to take all the water out of the canisters and the wicks turn the humidity down to 55% and the temp at 67 degrees. All told it took me three weeks to gradually get the humidity down, including leaving the doors slightly ajar for a few days. I checked all my cigars and found three cigars with early stages of mold, so I put those cigars aside and they were burned to avoid contamination. I since have added two pounds of beads, half pound on each shelf and everything is under control and has been since September

My question to those of you who have cooled units is; have you seen major up swings in the humidity level in the summer? Where is your cabinet located and what issues have you encountered?
 
Tony, I don't have a cooled unit so sorry to say I can't give you advice on that subject but.... you know I'm here for you. Give your cigars a summer vacation in beautiful South Texas this year. I let them visit with my cigars and as long as you promise me they'll behave themselves I'll even let them sleep with my cigars. Just let then know if I catch them fornicating with any of my cigars I'll burn their azzes quicker than they can say "I want to go home". :cool:
 
Tony, I don't have a cooled unit so sorry to say I can't give you advice on that subject but.... you know I'm here for you. Give your cigars a summer vacation in beautiful South Texas this year. I let them visit with my cigars and as long as you promise me they'll behave themselves I'll even let them sleep with my cigars. Just let then know if I catch them fornicating with any of my cigars I'll burn their azzes quicker than they can say "I want to go home". :cool:
Now that is a true BOTL! Kenny you are the best, I have your address and will let you know bwhen the truck leaves Casa Tone-NY!
 
Anthony, give me the Avallo. Why do you need a cabinet when your entire basement is a natural cave during the summer months?
 
Tony, it doesn't sound like cooling was a function in the RH problem, at least not much of a problem. I think you nailed it with the beads since the humidifier was not designed to remove moisture. Have you ever had to bake the beads to dehumidify them?
 
Tony, it doesn't sound like cooling was a function in the RH problem, at least not much of a problem. I think you nailed it with the beads since the humidifier was not designed to remove moisture. Have you ever had to bake the beads to dehumidify them?
Tony, I saw the exact same thing last summer with my cooled cabinet.

I think what happens is just as Bruce describes, the cabinets are really good about adding humidity, but they don't have any provision to remove it. I got up into the low 70's humidity wise but no higher. Other than the two sharks I found with tiny spots, mold doesn't seem to be a problem.

My cabinet sits in our home that doesn't have AC; don't really need it here in the PacNW as even on the hottest days, it cools off at night. As such, it gets up to low 80's for a few days / weeks here and while the pelts sure keep it cool, the humidity starts to go up as the moist air gets cooled inside the cabinet. I do disagree with Bruce on one point; cool air retains less moisture than warm air, so the relative humidity will start going up as the warm, moist air gets cooled off. That's why they call it "relative" humidity.

What I found is that raising the temp inside the cabinet, even a degree or two, really makes a big difference. I'm running at 65% / 69F and things seem to work fine. I have socks of beads on all the shelves in the cabinet and will bake 'em if I see the RH start to climb again this summer. I just filled my humidifiers and my plan is to let them run dry for the summer, just as I did last year. Of course, I had a new cabinet and the whole seasoning process throws a bit of a curve in there as it would be too high / not high enough / too high / etc.

I won't really know how much swing I'll get until this summer, but I'll be approaching it with an environment that's been very stable for a year. Of course right now the RH here in the house is really low with the forced air heat on; 30-40% or so, and as such, RH is spot on the set point. I'll assume my beads are getting well conditioned for 65% and so we'll just have to see as the summer progresses.

It occurred to me that you could probably place a pan of rock salt in there to really soak up some humidity, but that's perhaps a bit on the "brute force" side of things. Have to see how it goes.

Cheers, gents - B.B.S.
 
Tony, it doesn't sound like cooling was a function in the RH problem, at least not much of a problem. I think you nailed it with the beads since the humidifier was not designed to remove moisture. Have you ever had to bake the beads to dehumidify them?
Tony, I saw the exact same thing last summer with my cooled cabinet.

I think what happens is just as Bruce describes, the cabinets are really good about adding humidity, but they don't have any provision to remove it. I got up into the low 70's humidity wise but no higher. Other than the two sharks I found with tiny spots, mold doesn't seem to be a problem.

My cabinet sits in our home that doesn't have AC; don't really need it here in the PacNW as even on the hottest days, it cools off at night. As such, it gets up to low 80's for a few days / weeks here and while the pelts sure keep it cool, the humidity starts to go up as the moist air gets cooled inside the cabinet. I do disagree with Bruce on one point; cool air retains less moisture than warm air, so the relative humidity will start going up as the warm, moist air gets cooled off. That's why they call it "relative" humidity.

What I found is that raising the temp inside the cabinet, even a degree or two, really makes a big difference. I'm running at 65% / 69F and things seem to work fine. I have socks of beads on all the shelves in the cabinet and will bake 'em if I see the RH start to climb again this summer. I just filled my humidifiers and my plan is to let them run dry for the summer, just as I did last year. Of course, I had a new cabinet and the whole seasoning process throws a bit of a curve in there as it would be too high / not high enough / too high / etc.

I won't really know how much swing I'll get until this summer, but I'll be approaching it with an environment that's been very stable for a year. Of course right now the RH here in the house is really low with the forced air heat on; 30-40% or so, and as such, RH is spot on the set point. I'll assume my beads are getting well conditioned for 65% and so we'll just have to see as the summer progresses.

It occurred to me that you could probably place a pan of rock salt in there to really soak up some humidity, but that's perhaps a bit on the "brute force" side of things. Have to see how it goes.

Cheers, gents - B.B.S.


I was searching to find this info from you in a previous thread.
 
Bruce and Tom thanks for the tips. I hopefully won't have this happen again but it is good to know that it has happened to others.

Elliot please send all your cigars to the bat cave for storage this summer :laugh:
 
My chiffonier sits in our home that doesn't accept AC; don't absolutely charge it actuality in the PacNW as even on the hottest days, it cools off at night. As such, it gets up to low 80's for a few canicule / weeks actuality and while the pelts abiding accumulate it cool, the clamminess starts to go up as the clammy air gets cooled central the cabinet. I do disagree with Bruce on one point; air-conditioned air retains beneath damp than balmy air, so the about clamminess will alpha traveling up as the warm, clammy air gets cooled off. That's why they alarm it "relative" humidity.

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Fantastic first post, a++ would attempt to read again.
 
My chiffonier sits in our home that doesn't accept AC; don't absolutely charge it actuality in the PacNW as even on the hottest days, it cools off at night. As such, it gets up to low 80's for a few canicule / weeks actuality and while the pelts abiding accumulate it cool, the clamminess starts to go up as the clammy air gets cooled central the cabinet. I do disagree with Bruce on one point; air-conditioned air retains beneath damp than balmy air, so the about clamminess will alpha traveling up as the warm, clammy air gets cooled off. That's why they alarm it "relative" humidity.

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Huh?

Cold air promotes 'dry'.

Actually...what are you talking about?

I got the 'I do disagree with Bruce' part...hell, doesnot everyone?
 
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