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Red Dot Cohibas

Gonz

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I stopped by the local cigar shop, which I've only been to once, to see what they have in stock.

They had what appear to be Dominican Cohibas, however the labels are different than what I see on the internet, the standard Cohiba with the red dot.

These labels look more like the ISOM Cohibas, except with the following details:

It has 4 rows of white dots (not squares)
COHIBA is in black letterhead, not embossed.
under Cohiba is says Republica Dominicana

Is this just an older stick, and the red dot labels are relatively new? Or is someone producing fake Dominican Cohibas also?
 
These are a really crappy attempt to capitalize on Cohiba's good name. Very low quality and very cheap. Many shops like to mark them up about 1000% or so to try and sucker many a clueless newbie. Let someone else buy 'em ;)
 
DO NOT GO NEAR THESE.

As Craig said, these are horrible cigars. Don't even waste your time and/or money on these.

If you do have any, send them to Zac on the Island of the Misfit Toys except you'll have to wait about two years since he's only 19 and not old enough to smoke cigars yer :laugh:
 
Dammit all! Why is it so hard to buy a good cigar without feeling like I'm getting ripped off!

I'm tempted to go back and see if the shop owner has any idea what he's selling.
 
They run like 3-5 bucks right? I think they are a good newbie stoggie or a good backyard cigar. I wouldn't go any further than that.
 
I can tell you ALL ABOUT those yellow labeled cohibas my friend...as sad as that is...

A select few on this board may know how or why that is...

Golden Tobaco - The Hub - Richfield
 
I found some of these at a shop on Wednesday. They even had the gold embossed labels! They were selling bundles for $59.00. Go figure, Dominican Cohiba "Esplendito's" (sp) for under $60.00, what a bargain. :0

I just turned around and headed out the door, Im not supporting a store that is willing to totally rip off the unsuspecting public.

John V.
 
my local store told me specifically they will not carry them, due to the shear crap that they are, and as stated in an earlier post, just using the Cohiba name as a shoehorn to get those who don;t know to buy them. good to see some honest retailers exist in my neck of the woods.
 
There's nothing underhanded about a shop selling yellow banded Cohiba's that are marked with the correct band. Besides it being a nasty cigar it is a legal cigar...sorta. Here's a cut and paste of the history:

There is perhaps no brand name in the world more copied, counterfeited or fought over than the name Cohiba. Setting aside the problem of actual counterfeits, there are three 'legitimate' cigars you can get on many web sites that are called Cohibas. There are those that say that one, two or all three are not authentic and some are called counterfeits. So which is which?
To unravel the mystery, you have to go back to pre-revolutionary Cuba. At that time, a cigar was manufactured in Cuba by Cuban rollers, using Cuban tobaccos and blended by Cuban experts. That cigar called a Cohiba had an excellent reputation as a very strong and well made cigar. When Castro came to power and nationalized tobacco manufacturing, some of the leading experts, rollers and owners of patent rights left the country. They settled in many other countries including the US but the Dominican Republic acquired more than it's share of experts. That is where the problems began. The Cuban Cohiba brand continued to be manufactured in Cuba with less experienced rollers and without the experts that had blended the cigars in the past. In addition, the people that owned the copy rights to the name were now settled in the Dominican Republic.

Soon these immigrants began to do what they did best, grow tobacco and make cigars. They used the rollers and experts that came from Cuba but used Dominican or other tobaccos in their product after the US placed an embargo on Cuban products. The owners of the copy rights naturally started using the brand names they owned even though the product they produced was nothing like the product they had produced in Cuba. Through a series of purchases and mergers, the brand name Cohiba produced in the Dominican Republic was purchased by the General Cigar company. But in the confusion, some of the copy rights were not international copy rights but for specific countries. One such copy right was for cigars manufactured in the Domincan Republic for sale only in the Dominican Republic.

This led to a third brand that was called Cohiba but could only be sold in the Dominican. Some of these cigars were imported to the US under that name. They are manufactured at a factory called 'Montecristi' not to be confused with the brand name 'Montecristo'. Got all that straight? OK. When these cigars started coming into the US, General Cigar sought court action based on copy right infringement. They won the case but the judge ruled that any cigars that were already imported could be sold. No new imports, however, would be allowed. Of course, it is impossible to tell whether certain cigars were imported before or after the court order but there are legitimate cigars that can be purchased with name Cohiba that were manufactured in the Montecristi factory. So now we have three cigars you can purchase under the name of Cohiba. Here's how you tell the difference.

Cigars manufactured in Cuba have a yellow, black and white band. They say 'Cohiba' and have the words 'La Habana, Cuba' under the name. These words were added in the early 90s so should be present unless your buying very old cigars. The Dominican Republic cigars manufactured by General cigar have a completely different band. It is red, black and white with the 'o' in Cohiba filled in red, hence the name Cohiba red dots. The cigars manufactured at the Montecristi factory have a label that is yellow, black and white and similar to the Cuban band. The difference is the words 'La Habana, Cuba' are replaced with words 'Republica Dominicana'. These are commonly called yellow band Dominican Cohiba. So which are the Cohibas your friend said to try? My guess would be the red dots. Cuban Cohibas are, of course, illegal in the US and yellow band Dominican Cohibas by all accounts are not very good cigars.
 
The newer yellow band cohiba's generally suck, if you get an older yellowband (pre red dot) you've got a well aged cigar. The original yellowbands werent bad for a dominican, but once the red dots came out and all the copies of the yellow's came out the yellow's run was over.

most are even mixed fill
 
Gonz said:
Dammit all! Why is it so hard to buy a good cigar without feeling like I'm getting ripped off!

I'm tempted to go back and see if the shop owner has any idea what he's selling.
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Uh-hem, Newbie Trade is in the works. Never know what you'll get. ;)

Gregor
 
Tell the truth I have
never had a domestic Cohiba that was
close to as good as the the one I had that wasn't domestic


Bill
 
wam79 said:
Tell the truth I have
never had a domestic Cohiba that was
close to as good as the the one I had that wasn't domestic


Bill
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yikes...isn't that considered blasphemy in most cohiba circles? I don't smoke many Cohibas so I'm not positive, but most people I talk to say that the only good cohiba comes from the island.
 
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