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Proper Humidor Humidity

BrewMeister

The Titus Pullo of CP
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Hello all,

I apologize in advance if this has been previously discussed, however my searches never found the answer. So I am hoping that a newbie
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can gain a little knowledge.
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I have read numerous places that the correct humidor conditions are 70 degrees F; and 70% humidity. However, I've seen in many posts from numerous FOGS that they prefer 65%, or even 60%.

My real questions are:

What properties does a properly humidified cigar display? Does the proper humidity result in a better burn? A better flavor? A better draw? More specifically what characteristics will I experience if a stick is too dry or too wet?

TIA
 
You haven't found a solid answer because it is really a preference.

For years, the axiom was 70/70, as you stated, and those numbers will keep your cigars just fine. Some people prefer their cigars stored dryer, hence the reference 65% and 60%.

The dryer the cigar, the faster it will burn. It can also burn hotter, which is bad, if you smoke it too fast. But many people agree that they like the flavor of cigars better at lower humidity. Another plus is that they will not need to be re-lit as often. One more thing, many people agree that cuban cigars store and smoke better at lower humidity.

Wetter cigars (i.e., 70%) burn more slowly, need to be re-lit more often, and some people (including myself) say they taste more bitter.

There is also aging to consider. If you plan to age your cigars, say more than a couple of years, then the humidity/temp can play a factor in how they age. But that is probably a topic for another thread.

Hope that helps.

JK
 
I think the best article i have read on this that explains that the right temp and humidity is a somewhat fuzzy number, and part of the answer is your own personal preference and purpose.

http://www.cgarsltd.co.uk/document.aspx?id=cigaradvisor.htm

That is the actual page, but this is the section i enjoyed

You have stated that you personally do not agree with the much-heralded 70°/70% storage for cigars -- I believe the British tend to keep a slightly lower humidity level than some others, and it could also be a personal decision among individuals. In your opinion, what is your optimal storage environment? Thank you very much, and I rue the day that you can no longer provide the excellent advice and discussion which you have generously provided.

The short answer is, I do not know for certain.

Nevertheless I think I am still doing better than the people who know. People who repeated mumble the magical numbers 70/70 have not got a clue about when, where, how and why these numbers originated. Most of them do not even know how to calibrate their hygrometers (For electronic digital ones the error is typically +/— 2%, for analog ones, it may even be +/— 5 to 10%).

At least I tried to find out and have seemed to find something meaningful.

Curiously, nothing really scientific has ever been found on anything published. Mr. Alfred Dunhill had reported to have done some researches undertaken by England’s National Physical Laboratory before the First World War. However I have no information about the results. Mr. Dunhill nonetheless, in his book ‘The Gentle Art of Smoking”, recommended the ideal temperature for storage of cigars should be ‘60 to 65°F’, but no specific figures for humidity was quoted.

This seems to concur with many recent experiments on the effect of heat on wines, which have concluded that the best temperature for storing wines is between 55 to 65°F, beyond 65°F, the fruitiness decreases irreversibly and the absolute cut off point is 70°F, where the rate of destruction of fruitiness increases exponentially. Fruitiness is believed to be aromatic esters which are quite heat unstable. Thus it seems wise to store cigars at 60°F to be on the safe side. A lower temperature would not hurt the wine (nor perhaps the cigar), but it would not serve any useful purpose as the maturation is delayed with no meaningful gain.

Further, the theory that tobacco beetle eggs will not hatch below 70°F has been proven (by me!) to be too optimistic. I had many first hand experiences that they hatch at 70°F, but I do not remember encountering a single occasion when there was a beetle problem when cigars are stored at 60°F.

Regarding humidity, nothing scientific is known about the exact figures but everyone who has any experience with vintage cigars share the unanimous opinion that the best humidity for aging cigars long term is between 60 to 65%. Cigars which are stored at 70% seem to fail to age as beautifully and it is well known that cigars which is too humid e.g. 75% will lose all their bouquets in no time.

I normally age my cigars at 60°F and 65% RH for new cigars. For very old cigars, I store them at 55°F and 60% RH wrapped air-tight. I do not know for certain whether these figures are the most ‘correct’, but it had worked so far so good.

So how did the 70/70 myth originated? A very good speculation goes like this :

Cigars taste best at 72% RH., minus 1% for each five years of age. I discovered this by trial and error ages ago. Sometime later I read from a book that Mr. Davidoff insisted to sell his cigars at 72%. He probably discovered this by trial and error too. As cigars sold a few decades ago had already been aged for a few years when leaving the factory, and reputable merchants like Dunhill insisted to age them further before release, a cigar which a customer bought in those good old days had typically been already 10 years old. They should taste best at 70% RH. And somebody had obviously made the easy mistake that if a cigar tastes best at 70 %, they should age best at the same RH. (Mr. Davidoff mentioned in his book ‘The Connoisseur’s Book of the Cigar’ that the ‘ideal’ RH of storing cigars should be ‘between 67 to 72%’, apparently he had also succumbed to this method of thinking.

The 70°F probably originated when a certain ‘expert’ had decided that according to a nineteenth century book on insects that beetle eggs do not hatch below 70°F, cigars should therefore best be stored below that temperature. And naturally people would think that if cigars were best stored below that temperature, they should age best at that temperature as well.

As the 70/70 are round figures, they are easily remembered and most quoted. Eventually the most quoted becomes the truth, as the majority is always right. That reminds me of a saying by Mark Twain : “10% of people think, 10% of people think that they think, the remaining 80% would rather die than think”.

This is what helped me since these guys seems to know what they are doing, but I am sure some FOG's can weigh in with a more informed opinion.

- K
 
JimK said:
You haven't found a solid answer because it is really a preference.

For years, the axiom was 70/70, as you stated, and those numbers will keep your cigars just fine. Some people prefer their cigars stored dryer, hence the reference 65% and 60%.

The dryer the cigar, the faster it will burn. It can also burn hotter, which is bad, if you smoke it too fast. But many people agree that they like the flavor of cigars better at lower humidity. Another plus is that they will not need to be re-lit as often. One more thing, many people agree that cuban cigars store and smoke better at lower humidity.

Wetter cigars (i.e., 70%) burn more slowly, need to be re-lit more often, and some people (including myself) say they taste more bitter.

There is also aging to consider. If you plan to age your cigars, say more than a couple of years, then the humidity/temp can play a factor in how they age. But that is probably a topic for another thread.

Hope that helps.

JK
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Thanks JimK & kro77, that certainly answers a few of my questions, and brings some clarity to the why there is so many "opinions" on the subject. I have had some sticks that the moment I laid them down they went out. Perhaps they were a bit too humid.

How long does a cigar generally need to be stored at a specific humidity before it obtains that level of humidity? (Assuming it is not completely out of whack when I receive it.) One week? Two weeks? A month?

TIA
 
I highly recommend shooting for 65% for a while and see how you like it. I think you will find your burn, draw, smoke volume and flavor improved. Then you can experiment with even lower RH if you'd like. There is really no consensus but you won't find many seasoned smokers who prefer 70% or higher.

As far as acclimation is concerned I think 4 weeks would be a minimum and 8 weeks would be optimum but that is just my opinion. There are many variables foremost of which is how far off the cigars are from your preferred RH to begin with. I find that most seem to stabilize in the 6-8 week range at my humi's RH (60-62%).
 
lucasbuck said:
I highly recommend shooting for 65% for a while and see how you like it. I think you will find your burn, draw, smoke volume and flavor improved. Then you can experiment with even lower RH if you'd like. There is really no consensus but you won't find many seasoned smokers who prefer 70% or higher.

As far as acclimation is concerned I think 4 weeks would be a minimum and 8 weeks would be optimum but that is just my opinion. There are many variables foremost of which is how far off the cigars are from your preferred RH to begin with. I find that most seem to stabilize in the 6-8 week range at my humi's RH (60-62%).
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You've heard from The Man. Go forth and sin no more. :)

JK
 
lucasbuck said:
I highly recommend shooting for 65% for a while and see how you like it. I think you will find your burn, draw, smoke volume and flavor improved. Then you can experiment with even lower RH if you'd like. There is really no consensus but you won't find many seasoned smokers who prefer 70% or higher.

As far as acclimation is concerned I think 4 weeks would be a minimum and 8 weeks would be optimum but that is just my opinion. There are many variables foremost of which is how far off the cigars are from your preferred RH to begin with. I find that most seem to stabilize in the 6-8 week range at my humi's RH (60-62%).
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Thanks LucasBuck,
Then so be it... Hello Viper, what is the trade-in allowance on the 70%'er beads I just purchased??? Oh well, I will move my Humidor down to the 65% range and see if I see an improvement. Of course the entire Humidor and all its contents are only about 3 weeks old, and its suppose to hold 150 sticks. Must be 150 4" x 30's.

Thanks again all, I feel a great deal more "edukated" on the relative humidity subject.
 
Like most everyone else has stated, there is no "correct" humidity level(within reason!)....anything from about 60-70 will be fine for storage...however, what you prefer to smoke them at is a different story. I like to smoke my cigars at 63%...seems to give a more even burn. For long term storage, i keep mine at 67%.
 
I keep mine around 68%-72%. Usually right at 70%. 60% in my opinion is way too low, and will definately create an unjoyable smoke. Will be more harsh, not to mention more fragile. Be careful when you cut it. I would say start at 70% and slowly drop it down to where you like. 70%+ will cause the cigar to go out more often, uneven burn in some cases, slower smoke. Just my experience...
 
I usually keep mine around the 65-68% and my temp bounces around about 70. (trying to get that under control) I have noticed a difference in the feel of the cigar (I admire them alot as I smoke :D ) and that seems to be where my own preference is. I agree, just try it and see.
 
I keep mine at 64,65 degrees all the time and find it just right for me, its all about how you enjoy your cigar. my temp in my house is usually 70-73.

K&P
 
Down here in Florida I keep my cigars at around 60 percent humidity. They burn fine ,age well, and taste great. Back in the North East where I used to live I kept them at 63-65 percent. Temperature wise I keep them at 65-67 degrees.
 
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