POINT OF ORDER

[Horse]

Point #1

Ok, I'm usually the last person to speak up about such things and you would have to know me to believe it. But at the prompting of some more experienced passers, I've gotta speak up. Here goes... and I'm not pointing my finger at any ONE individual. Please refer to Rule #2 of the 'Rules of a Cigar Pass'.

2.) Once you have received the box in a pass, you may take a few cigars (unless otherwise specified), and replace it with other cigars of equal or greater value. You may not place a lower quality/valued cigar (machine made, etc.) in the pass, unless otherwise specified.

Without being too specific, this rule simply means, take a $10 stick, put a $10 stick. Take a hard to find stick, put a hard to find stick. In my book, any ISOM is hard to find. (see previous note about no credit cards )

I've since come to appreciate Dave's long list of rules for his passes.


Point #2

And I will point: Let's watch the language here :angry:

 

[Shadow]

Horse, agree with you on both points. I was going to say something about the language but thought I would wait to see if it would continue.

Hey guys, there are ladies present on this board.

 

[Lee]

No harm intended, I got a little goofy the other night! Thanks for the reminder and the post!

Leebo

 

[emodx]

I understand the reason for all the rules of the pass, but I do have a question. Cigar prices vary from store to store, and region to region. How do you come to a basis of what is worth what?
Second, what if the stick you took is a $10 stick, and rated a 86. Then put a $8 stick rated at 90? I just would like some clarification from a seasoned passer.

Emo

 

[Allofus123]

I was wondering how long you could hold your tongue Mark! :lookup:

I would think pricing in different parts of the country shouldn't be that big of a factor. If a $5 cigar in my area sells for $10 in your area then it would stand to reason that any cigar you take would have the same disparity. Keep in mind that a $10 cigar is NOT replacable with 2 $5 cigars.

This is just my opinion and Horse, you can feel free to tell me to butt out but........ This pass started out with nothing but premium cigars. Take a look at the list now and I see quite a few yard smokes that don't even come close to replacing what has been taken out. Volume does not replace quality.

On the subject of ratings....... some people like chocolate and some like vanilla. Ratings are very subjective and have no bearing on the value of a smoke. One thing that does get consideration on pricing is the scarcy of a smoke but I would ask the passer on some just to make sure they are scarce to him or her.

Just my 2 cents.........

Mark, I just remembered that I forgot a put or two........ Package coming at you this wkend!

 

[emodx]

Well I live in an area where everything carries a premium price, so for me it is a very relevent question. So what I do to find the going price is take my local price(single price when buying a box) add it to my 2-3 discount web stores, and divide accordingly.
I guess it should stand that the originator put in the rules of the pass, to refer to 2-3 web stores to get the going price of a certain cigar.
:sign:

 

[Allofus123]

Well I live in an area where everything carries a premium price, so for me it is a very relevent question.

Your statement that EVERYTHING carries a premium price in your area was my point. That would mean that cigars taken from a pass would also be valued higher to you.

Don't anyone need to think they are being singled out. I just think everyone that has been in this pass should look again at the starting line-up and look at it now. Its pretty cut and dry to me....... but it not my pass   I'm just sticking my nose in where it don't belong!  LMAO

I'm not flaming anyone here....... just saying out loud what I believe Horse is too nice to...    

 

[Lee]

Which pass are we talking about here? :lookup:

 

[104-1017113828]

I'm new here and I'm not involved

But since I read tetens' book - Lars on gars

I always carry my best gars to share with people I met

The brotherhood of the gar

Life’s too short to be cheap

 

[Lee]

Sounds good to me!

Honestly folks, if someone has an issue with someone else, talk to them about it. It I made a mistake, I would certainly hope that folks here would feel comfortable talking to me about it.

In my honest opinion, alot of people (myself included) may be wondering, "Is this about me? Especially us newbies.

Just a thought as we're all adults here, right?

Leebo

 

[emodx]

I get yer point now allofus....I guess I am in a unique place. Cigar brands and stores are limited here, and prices are a premium...Also, even proven dog rockets are marked up. Thanks for booting me in the right direction...

 

[Horse]

Thanks Kenny, you hit the nail on the perverbial head. 2 average smokes do not equal one premi smoke. Nor what should be obviously an ultra-premi.

Without trying to sound like a spoiled-sport. My pass has been decimated (sp?). The only redeeming factor left being the few left that I started with and the ISOM's that have been graciously included in the puts & feedbag.

If you're not sure about the average/premi status, ASK!
I've learned more here on this board than anywhere. And I'm still a newbie.

Heck, I couldn't get to sleep wondering who was gonna take this the wrong way. So off I go to give it another try.

 

[hbooker]

I know I have some to make up.

I will be taking care of this right away.

Actually upon further thought it does make a difference. Saying something is as easy as sending an email and saying Hey...
This place and the members here are more valuable to me than any other website or group. If I am stupid, well I can change that if nothing else I can at least work on it.
By someone pointing something like this out I can't blame them they are only pointing it out.

I thank you Mark.
you have incoming.

 

[Horse]

Kenny!  Don't you dare send more.  I would be filing chapter 7 if I had to send what you put in there. Sheesh..Masterpiece, Diamond Crown, Anejo, OPUS,etc...

 

[Big Worm]

:lookup: Hey....y'all talkin' 'bout me??? :angry: Why you no good sum.....o'.....uh errrr...Varmit you!!! I knew better than to get hooked up with some loons ( Kenny) from Texas!!!! :sign: LMFAO guys, well said. I think this is a point that we ALL forget at times. Myself, I try to make up for my takes firstly then add a bunch of other stuff just for ****s and giggles. Hey, some things I may not care for, others may just go nuts over. And, whatever's left over nobody likes makes for good bombing materials....doesn't it??? :sign: LMAO
All this being said, Mark is right, his pass started out to be nothing but ultra premium, tops shelf stuff and I was honored to be a part of it..especially being first!!! I think, however, that we should use more discretion when joining a pass from now on....if ya' don't have the goods to play, stay on the porch. Meant to be read in a nice way fellas...I know I've sat on the porch and watched several times myself, there's no shame in sitting out and not pissing people off.
Just my redneck, backwoods KY 2 cents. :thumbs:

Long Live Commander Worm!!!!!

 

[Horse]

Well said Commander :thumbs:

 

[hbooker]

I agree and will do so in any future passes.

 

[cohibasurfer]

Ok... how about spelling this out plain and simple! Who did what, or didn't do what?

 

[Shadow]

That's what I like about Michael, don't pussyfoot around just spit it out and name names!

 

[Big Worm]

Really?? I have no idea of the particular instances and people involved. I have, however, been guilty of this before after going back and re-reading a closed pass as I'm sure many of us have. Now, not to say that they weren't "from the heart" or whatever...just over time our definition(s) of premium, equal, ultra-premium or whatever change...as do everyones. I think what Mark was trying to do was, NOT TO POINT FINGERS, but to call everyones attention to an important part of a successful pass. I think....

Now, if anyone else has any fingers to point......POINT AWAY!!! I'd love to read 'em!!! LMFAO!!!! :sign: :sign:

Ryan